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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

WhiteSoxClone said:
And some of the most decisive victories in the history have resulted from feigned retreats as well. War is hell.

Heck, the British would’ve likely won the American Revolution if British sharpshooter Patrick Ferguson had shot George Washington in the back instead of waiting for him to turn around (which he never did).
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A story I’d forgotten. Thanks.
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The British Marksman Who Refused to Shoot George Washington

George Washington’s life may have been spared at the Battle of Brandywine by a British marksman who placed honor before glory.
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May be in Ukraine by now. (At least those are more Caesars as promised by France.)

"Well, well, well … but where is all this stuff going? Bordeaux today towards Paris, the convoy never ended! The original video is longer than 3 minutes "

 
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FWIW

"Svatove, occupied by the Russians, is once again under intense Ukrainian artillery fire. Moreover, according to the independent Russian media collective "Astra", half of the newly enlisted Russians died in October. A new Russian disaster is brewing."

 
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how often Ukrainian elections are and when is Zelenky's next election?
 
BioHawk said:
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how often Ukrainian elections are and when is Zelenky's next election?
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According to the Electoral Code of Ukraine, the next Ukrainian parliamentary election should be held on the last Sunday of October of the fifth year of authority of the parliament, if snap elections are not held. The previous parliamentary election in Ukraine was held on 21 July 2019.
That would mean the next parliamentary election should take place no later than 29 October 2023.

Presidential election:
The first round is expected to take place on the last Sunday of March, which falls on 31 March 2024. If no candidate receives an absolute majority, the second round is then expected to take place 3 weeks after the first, on 21 April 2024.

Not quite sure what the next election in Ukraine would look like under war.

NPR

Zelenskyy has consolidated Ukraine's TV outlets and dissolved rival political parties​

 
lucas80 said:
I agree with most of that, but, I don't think the author captures the scope of just how big of a f****** deal it was for Putin to order a retreat. He cannot hide what is happening in Ukraine anymore. They are losing. And, to the point that this may give the Russians time to reconstitute their forces, well, into what? The entire system is corrupt and ineffective. By now and Spring they are going to rearm with modern weapons and train up 300,000 crack troops?
The biggest hope for Putin is weak willed Western politicians, at best, and Russian stooges at worst.
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Putins definitely on his heels and this is a big L for the Russians.

If the Russians can hold along the Dnieper line in the south through the winter it can be argued it was militarily prudent. We’ll see…

They were in for a catastrophic ass whooping had they stayed….
 
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how often Ukrainian elections are and when is Zelenky's next election?
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Probably not until 2023-24? Zelensky replaced Petro Poroshenko in 2019, The Russians went straight after him.
In 2014 Poroshenko replaced some corrupt guy that was sacked.
 
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(They never quite got this scene in Saving Private Ryan right-they needed these guys!)

"A funny hand-passing stun grenade throw by Uka soldiers. More strangely, between them was a wounded Russian soldier lying on the ground."

 
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binsfeldcyhawk2 said:
Putins definitely on his heels and this is a big L for the Russians.

If the Russians can hold along the Donets line in the south through the winter it can be argued it was militarily prudent. We’ll see…

They were in for a catastrophic ass whooping had they stayed….
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Donets river is farther to the east.

The Dniepr (Dnipro) river is the biggie that cuts through Ukraine and Kherson, exiting to the Black Sea.

The Donets connects to the Don (which was the Axis front line before the Soviet counter attack at Stalingrad) and empties into the Sea of Azov.

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"Kinburn matters. Russian control of the sandy strip “will allow them to exert further control of the Black Sea coast,” the Institute for the Study of War in Washington, D.C. explained in June. For the Ukrainians, Kinburn is a back door—a way to get forces onto the left bank of the Dnipro without crossing the river, likely while under fire.

If and when the Ukrainians land in force on Kinburn, the odds should favor them. “With the recent advances in Kherson, this is well within massed artillery range,” explained Mike Martin, a fellow at the Department of War Studies at King's College in London. And to be clear, he means Ukrainian artillery.


“The Russians are finding it very hard to hold” in Kherson and Mykolaiv, Martin added. The Kilburn Spit could be the next piece of Ukraine they give up."
 
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