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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

https://www.popularmechanics.com/mi...russia-using-ancient-soviet-armored-vehicles/

WOW!! Popular Mechanics story about Russia pulling 1950s era APC and amphibious tanks out of storage. Long story short, they are death traps to anything but light shrapnel and small arms fire. It’s mentioned that Russia may intend to use some to cross rivers during an offensive, but the seal integrity to keep them from sinking like rocks is an issue.
Why would they even have that stuff in storage?
 
Coming from Wagner so take it for what it's worth...

CHASIV YAR, Ukraine, March 3 (Reuters) - Russian troops and mercenaries were closing off the last access routes to the besieged Ukrainian city of Bakhmut on Friday, on the cusp of Moscow's first major victory in half a year after the bloodiest fighting of the war.

The head of Russia's Wagner private army said the city, which has been blasted to ruins, was now almost completely surrounded, with only one route out left open for Ukraine's troops.


It took the vaunted Russian Army a year to secure one city about the size of Dubuque and to do so they had to destroy it beyond any practical use and lost tens of thousands of men, hundreds of tanks and artillery pieces to do so.

Some “victory” 😂

I remember when US losses in Fallujah were considered “catastrophic.” They were:

95 killed
560 wounded
 
It took the vaunted Russian Army a year to secure one city about the size of Dubuque and to do so they had to destroy it beyond any practical use and lost tens of thousands of men, hundreds of tanks and artillery pieces to do so.

Some “victory” 😂

I remember when US losses in Fallujah were considered “catastrophic.” They were:

95 killed
560 wounded
A pretty stark contrast right there.

It seems to be a Pyrrhic victory...

I just hope the Ukrainian casualties and their depletion of things like artillery ammunition don't limit a spring offensive.
 
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A pretty stark contrast right there.

It seems to be a pyric victory...

I just hope the Ukrainian casualties and their depletion of things like artillery ammunition don't limit a spring offensive.
Well they have enough troops to be having thousands getting trained in the UK and other spots in Europe. I presume those NATO-level trained, fresh guys will be the spearhead of the coming counteroffensives.
 
A pretty stark contrast right there.

It seems to be a pyric victory...

I just hope the Ukrainian casualties and their depletion of things like artillery ammunition don't limit a spring offensive.
The $64,000 question. I think the answer will be known fairly soon when the counter offensive is actually launched far to the SW to divide the frontline and break up landbridge on Sea of Azov. I think they will go after Melitopol to Mariupol area.
 
Well they have enough troops to be having thousands getting trained in the UK and other spots in Europe. I presume those NATO-level trained, fresh guys will be the spearhead of the coming counteroffensives.
True.

After the spring thaw I think we're going to see some kind of major Ukrainian effort. The guys on the Battleground Ukraine podcast think it's gonna be a major effort to cut the land bridge to Crimea FWIW. They seem to be pretty locked in with their info...
 
I did not think I would be saying this in early March after breaking 100k on December 23, but the push for a quarter a million is officially underway.
That number could spike way beyond that if Russia misplays its hand with Moldova and Transnistria and involves NATO in a more direct or supportive fashion. It is kind of like Ukraine and Russia are two gladiators in the Coliseum, and there are tigers and bears chambered underneath on platforms waiting to be raised up and enter into the fray.
 
The $64,000 question. I think the answer will be known fairly soon when the counter offensive is actually launched far to the SW to divide the frontline and break up landbridge on Sea of Azov. I think they will go after Melitopol to Mariupol area.
We'll probably have to wait till April to see it. The spring thaw "Rasputitsa" won't be done till then...
 
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I have always thought and I think we will see it confirmed post war that Bakhmut was a honeypot designed to bait and weaken Russia during the winter months.
I hope so. I have read that it is actually a rather critical plot of land for Russia to secure logistics in the area.
 
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A pretty stark contrast right there.

It seems to be a pyric victory...

I just hope the Ukrainian casualties and their depletion of things like artillery ammunition don't limit a spring offensive.
We're all friends in this thread (except for the Russians) and this isn't a jab, but for future use, if you have occasion to use the term in written format, it is Pyrrhic.
 
There's been quite a few articles about the Ukrainian ammunition shortage...155mm ect. They've had to ration rounds.

Hopefully...they've been rationing deliberately to build up stocks for the spring. I think there's no question that there's an issue here overall...but if the Ukrainian's are over playing it for Russian consumption while stockpiling it'd make me a happy camper.
 
I don't like this. At all. Hopefully if it is not a bluff, they get the hell out of there while they can and don't become Mariupol 2.0.


Holy shit.

“A retired US Marine fighting alongside Ukrainian forces said a fighter's life expectancy on the front lines in Bakhmut was around 4 hours.”
 
The guys on the Battleground Ukraine podcast think it's gonna be a major effort to cut the land bridge to Crimea FWIW. They seem to be pretty locked in with their info...

This is how Crimea gets re-taken.

And Russia is going to go all-in to protect that land bridge access. Not sure what they actually have left in armor/munitions to do it, and if Ukraine gets longer-range precision-guided stuff, it will be a matter of time before the Russians run out of shit and cannot re-arm anymore. Only thing that will prevent this is shutting down those supplies to Ukraine.

Russia can send waves and waves of men at BMPs and tanks; it'll be like the 1800s and the colonial powers mowing down the natives in Africa with machine guns...
 
We're all friends in this thread (except for the Russians) and this isn't a jab, but for future use, if you have occasion to use the term in written format, it is Pyrrhic.
I saw that the original post had been edited and wondered who the Pyrrhic purist was. :)
 
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