It's literally what you've posted, Cletus.
I hope you are talking about DeSantis and not someone pointing out his horrible statement.The worst thing that can happen for Ukraine is for this to become a political football for 2024. Support has been falling and the linked article below is from last month....I think support gradually erodes the longer this goes. Seeing the same thing in Europe.
It's a political mistake to go into attack mode NOW.....Ukraine military aid support is solid for at least the next few months. They're getting what they need. Still have enough R support NOW to continue aid. Making this an attack on R's generally does Ukraine no favors....it'll be easy for them to turn if the polls keep going in the wrong direction.
Just think it'd be a smarter path to embrace the bipartisan support we have for Ukraine NOW instead of wanting to make it a Team Red/Team blue thing....Ukraine is the ultimate loser in that scenario.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Support among the American public for providing Ukraine weaponry and direct economic assistance has softened as the Russian invasion nears a grim one-year milestone, according to a new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research.
Forty-eight percent say they favor the U.S. providing weapons to Ukraine, with 29 percent opposed and 22 percent saying they’re neither in favor nor opposed. In May 2022, less than three months into the war, 60 percent of U.S. adults said they were in favor of sending Ukraine weapons.
Americans are about evenly divided on sending government funds directly to Ukraine, with 37 percent in favor and 38 percent opposed, with 23 percent saying neither. The signs of diminished support for Ukraine come as President Joe Biden is set to travel to Poland next week to mark the first anniversary of the biggest conflict in Europe since World War II.
Support for Ukraine aid softens in U.S. public, poll says
Support among the American public for providing Ukraine weaponry and direct economic assistance has softened as the Russian invasion nears a grim one-year milestone.www.pbs.org
That's not what I posted.
I don't agree with Ron on this he's wrong....making his comments something to beat R's, in general, over the head with is a mistake on many levels.
You need to open your ears and eyes then. MAGA controls the republican party and 1) will be who decides who the 2024 GOP POTUS nominee will be AND 2) is decidedly pro Russian and Putin / anti Ukraine and Zelenskyy. There is no other choice. Bashing Ukraine war funding and using Russian progandists talking points on the war is literally going to be a part of the GOP POTUS platform if it is still happening in 2024. That is why DeSantis said what he said. And you would have the Democrats just ignore this and not beat them in the head about it?
Just to be clear --- your position is we need to ignore the Republicans advocacy for Russia and Putin because acknowledging that they are taking Kremlin positions is . . . . bad for Ukraine?
D’s should call it out…fine. Directed towards the individual R's. Using it against the R party writ large when there has been bipartisan support is a mistake.
We are already seeing the arguments. Basically will try to argue that a lot of Ukrainians actually want to be Russian. Suggest that the US essentially staged a coup, so it is really fine if Russia invades Ukraine. Also that NATO "threatened" Russia so you can understand why Putin wants to invade. These are all out of Russian propaganda and we have seen these arguments bantered around from the beginning. I think there is a mix of actual Russian supporters, and people where are unwittingly fooled by the Russian narrative.
You said “Republicans” which would imply all Republicans which simply isn’t the case. Look at Ukraine aid votes for reference.
No…what I’ve said is most R’s support Ukraine funding and all the votes support that.
The GOP is making it an R/D thing. By supporting candidates for President who are against Ukrainian backing.
It is the two leading candidates for the GOP presidential nomination.
Fair enough. Just think we should be delineating and not throwing all R’s in the same basket when R votes are needed moving forward.
This. I think the problem Bin has is that he is living in a textbook state of denial on where his party is actually at now. He views the make up of the Republican party and control of the Republican party still as largely being made up of folks like him who are more rooted in traditional conservatism and support things like Ukraine and traditional arguments on how to govern conservatively. He can't see that a solid 65-70% are now more aligned with MAGA and the army of disinformed, propagandized minions who are basically a cult. Anyone now in the GOP who is an office holder and/or candidate spouting off Bin's viewpoint has long since been voted out of office or had to retire. The party has been hijacked and left him, he just does not realize it quite yet.
This is just ****ing stupid. Why in god's name would Russia want to provoke the US into becoming more involved in this war than they already are. If we decide to sink the entire Black Sea Fleet, Russia won't even know it happened until it's over.
My only thought is they don’t see a way to win without escalation.
Alright, that’s it….we should start ramming their planes over international waters with drones (kidding…maybe?)….and or sink the Black Sea fleet.
The same basket of deplorables we've been fighting since 2015
We forget that Russia shot down a commercial airliner in 2014.
true, but was not a U.S. airliner….at some point, this will require a measured proportional response…:can’t allow Russia to hold the world hostage. MAD only works as deterrent if they know we are willing to escalate.
