I think at the end you can see the damaged prop.
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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I especially liked the “wanker” group part
You can. Hopefully the US had time to erase and destroy any sensitive software before they took it down.
Why the F isn't the CIA working with Haas to send the Russian defective CNCs & parts, to render anything they're trying to manufacture, useless?
That'd be a wonderful Special Op to further cripple Russia's military industry....
A lot of mostly good stuff today.
Since we know Putin has people who just watch to see how he is portrayed, this should be spread far and wide.
(Because he is so prejudiced against anything like this.)
(Because he is so prejudiced against anything like this.)
Perhaps if Obama had paid more attention to a potential problem, we wouldn't be bitching about whether we are doing enough or too much now (which is certainly a valid DEBATE). Who was the admin's Ukraine point person at the time?
I have mixed emotions about our military and government always saying we do not want a confrontation with Russia. Saying that after they knocked down our aircraft seems to send the wrong message. Maybe something like, we don't want a confrontation but we will not back down from our mission, is more appropriate.
It was a unmanned drone, and we're playing in their neighborhood,... Should be a non-event.
"their neighborhood"?
It was not over Russian airspace, it was in international airspace. And they directly attacked it.
We're collecting intelligence for Ukraine,.. what would you expect them to do?
Could we sink their boomers when they’re off the Eastern Seaboard?
Get out of Ukraine for starters.
Not attack our air assets in international airspace.
That was actually in our airspace.
Sorry, but that's not a reasonable expectation,.. It's a war, we are participating, and it was an unmanned craft.
We should deal with our domestic boomers before addressing any issues with international boomers.
I think DeSantis has about as much courage to visit Ukraine that McCarthy has... NONE
Republicans sure looking like a plethora of bad choices for nominee.
Fortunately, two years is a long time and I doubt Putin has that much time.
Sobering assessment....
Ukraine says its future may depend on the brutal battles currently raging around Bakhmut, but there are growing splits between officials in Kyiv and some Western military analysts over the best approach to what could be a decisive period in the conflict.
For months, Ukraine’s defense of the eastern city has held up and worn down Russian forces while serving as a potent symbol of the country’s defiance.
Now, as Moscow’s assault intensifies, a number of observers have questioned whether Kyiv's decision to reinforce the area rather than retreat is being driven more by the political desire to avoid a high-profile defeat than by military logic.
A long-speculated Ukrainian withdrawal from the battered city has not materialized, with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his military chiefs instead betting that they can buy critical time and benefits for a future counteroffensive by doubling down.
Russian forces, led for months by mercenary fighters from the Wagner private military company and reinforced by newly mobilized reservists, have intensified their winter campaign to seize the city despite taking massive losses.
It's a key prize for the Kremlin and capturing it would be Russia's first major victory in nearly a year.
That unceasing pressure has left Ukrainian troops surrounded on three sides and facing an increasingly dire situation.
“Ukrainians should have pulled back weeks ago,” defense analyst Konrad Muzyka, the director of Rochan Consulting, based in Poland, which specializes in Russia and Belarus, told NBC News.
"It just doesn’t make sense to defend the city right now," said Muzyka, who recently visited the area with colleagues.
He was outlining a view that has become increasingly common among some close observers of the conflict: The defense of Bakhmut was crucial both strategically and symbolically, but the situation has deteriorated to the point that it may now be more costly than it is worth.
Kyiv was now suffering such heavy losses, Muzyka said, that it could be setting back its own hopes of successful advances in the future.
There is now just one main road out of Bakhmut under Ukrainian control, with the mining hub that was once home to around 80,000 reduced to artillery craters and muddy trenches.
But Ukrainian officials have doubled down on their strategy, insisting that holding the city was in fact critical to their future operations even as losses mount on both sides.
Ukraine’s future hinges on the outcome of the battles raging in Bakhmut and nearby areas, Zelenskyy said this week, as he underscored his commitment to holding out in the city.
“There was a clear position of the entire command: Strengthen this sector and destroy the occupiers to the maximum,” he said in his nightly video address Tuesday.
Officials in Kyiv have insisted the battle both restricts Russian advances by forcing Moscow to throw troops and equipment into Bakhmut, while laying the ground for future Ukrainian advances by allowing their own reserves more time to prepare.
Their position was given public backing in Washington on Wednesday.
"Ukraine has fixed the Russian forces at that city and they're exacting very heavy costs on the Wagner Group and the Russian regular military," the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark Milley, told a news briefing.
NBC News has reached out to the Ukrainian government for further comment.
www.nbcnews.com
Ukraine says its future may depend on the brutal battles currently raging around Bakhmut, but there are growing splits between officials in Kyiv and some Western military analysts over the best approach to what could be a decisive period in the conflict.
For months, Ukraine’s defense of the eastern city has held up and worn down Russian forces while serving as a potent symbol of the country’s defiance.
Now, as Moscow’s assault intensifies, a number of observers have questioned whether Kyiv's decision to reinforce the area rather than retreat is being driven more by the political desire to avoid a high-profile defeat than by military logic.
A long-speculated Ukrainian withdrawal from the battered city has not materialized, with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his military chiefs instead betting that they can buy critical time and benefits for a future counteroffensive by doubling down.
Russian forces, led for months by mercenary fighters from the Wagner private military company and reinforced by newly mobilized reservists, have intensified their winter campaign to seize the city despite taking massive losses.
It's a key prize for the Kremlin and capturing it would be Russia's first major victory in nearly a year.
That unceasing pressure has left Ukrainian troops surrounded on three sides and facing an increasingly dire situation.
“Ukrainians should have pulled back weeks ago,” defense analyst Konrad Muzyka, the director of Rochan Consulting, based in Poland, which specializes in Russia and Belarus, told NBC News.
"It just doesn’t make sense to defend the city right now," said Muzyka, who recently visited the area with colleagues.
He was outlining a view that has become increasingly common among some close observers of the conflict: The defense of Bakhmut was crucial both strategically and symbolically, but the situation has deteriorated to the point that it may now be more costly than it is worth.
Kyiv was now suffering such heavy losses, Muzyka said, that it could be setting back its own hopes of successful advances in the future.
There is now just one main road out of Bakhmut under Ukrainian control, with the mining hub that was once home to around 80,000 reduced to artillery craters and muddy trenches.
But Ukrainian officials have doubled down on their strategy, insisting that holding the city was in fact critical to their future operations even as losses mount on both sides.
Ukraine’s future hinges on the outcome of the battles raging in Bakhmut and nearby areas, Zelenskyy said this week, as he underscored his commitment to holding out in the city.
“There was a clear position of the entire command: Strengthen this sector and destroy the occupiers to the maximum,” he said in his nightly video address Tuesday.
Officials in Kyiv have insisted the battle both restricts Russian advances by forcing Moscow to throw troops and equipment into Bakhmut, while laying the ground for future Ukrainian advances by allowing their own reserves more time to prepare.
Their position was given public backing in Washington on Wednesday.
"Ukraine has fixed the Russian forces at that city and they're exacting very heavy costs on the Wagner Group and the Russian regular military," the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark Milley, told a news briefing.
NBC News has reached out to the Ukrainian government for further comment.
Has Ukraine made a big mistake by refusing to retreat from Bakhmut?
A growing number of Western military analysts argue that the situation in the eastern city has deteriorated to the point that defending it may now be more costly than it is worth.
www.nbcnews.com
Yeah, I don’t totally get the Bakhmut thing.Sobering assessment....
Ukraine says its future may depend on the brutal battles currently raging around Bakhmut, but there are growing splits between officials in Kyiv and some Western military analysts over the best approach to what could be a decisive period in the conflict.
For months, Ukraine’s defense of the eastern city has held up and worn down Russian forces while serving as a potent symbol of the country’s defiance.
Now, as Moscow’s assault intensifies, a number of observers have questioned whether Kyiv's decision to reinforce the area rather than retreat is being driven more by the political desire to avoid a high-profile defeat than by military logic.
A long-speculated Ukrainian withdrawal from the battered city has not materialized, with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and his military chiefs instead betting that they can buy critical time and benefits for a future counteroffensive by doubling down.
Russian forces, led for months by mercenary fighters from the Wagner private military company and reinforced by newly mobilized reservists, have intensified their winter campaign to seize the city despite taking massive losses.
It's a key prize for the Kremlin and capturing it would be Russia's first major victory in nearly a year.
That unceasing pressure has left Ukrainian troops surrounded on three sides and facing an increasingly dire situation.
“Ukrainians should have pulled back weeks ago,” defense analyst Konrad Muzyka, the director of Rochan Consulting, based in Poland, which specializes in Russia and Belarus, told NBC News.
"It just doesn’t make sense to defend the city right now," said Muzyka, who recently visited the area with colleagues.
He was outlining a view that has become increasingly common among some close observers of the conflict: The defense of Bakhmut was crucial both strategically and symbolically, but the situation has deteriorated to the point that it may now be more costly than it is worth.
Kyiv was now suffering such heavy losses, Muzyka said, that it could be setting back its own hopes of successful advances in the future.
There is now just one main road out of Bakhmut under Ukrainian control, with the mining hub that was once home to around 80,000 reduced to artillery craters and muddy trenches.
But Ukrainian officials have doubled down on their strategy, insisting that holding the city was in fact critical to their future operations even as losses mount on both sides.
Ukraine’s future hinges on the outcome of the battles raging in Bakhmut and nearby areas, Zelenskyy said this week, as he underscored his commitment to holding out in the city.
“There was a clear position of the entire command: Strengthen this sector and destroy the occupiers to the maximum,” he said in his nightly video address Tuesday.
Officials in Kyiv have insisted the battle both restricts Russian advances by forcing Moscow to throw troops and equipment into Bakhmut, while laying the ground for future Ukrainian advances by allowing their own reserves more time to prepare.
Their position was given public backing in Washington on Wednesday.
"Ukraine has fixed the Russian forces at that city and they're exacting very heavy costs on the Wagner Group and the Russian regular military," the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark Milley, told a news briefing.
NBC News has reached out to the Ukrainian government for further comment.
Has Ukraine made a big mistake by refusing to retreat from Bakhmut?
A growing number of Western military analysts argue that the situation in the eastern city has deteriorated to the point that defending it may now be more costly than it is worth.
I will say from a political prospective, if they can break Wagner there, that might be worth a lot.
I'm sure that would do wonders for Haas' sales in other countries that may someday get sideways with the US.
Apparently some think Putin and Military want Wagner broken...eliminate a possible threat to the regime....
If this is the best remaining spam bots the Russians have left, the war is truly over.
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Not that I doubted the previous tweets, but this is the first big "mainstream" outlet I've seen confirm the Polish MiG deal:
Not destroy other aircraft (manned or unmanned) in international airspace. Seems simple enough. Unless you want to continue to push Russian propaganda.
I got to think that yesterday's incident lets the US turn a blind eye to the Polish deal.
Poland will transfer 4 MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine in the coming days, Polish president says
The US military has released newly declassified video of the Tuesday encounter between a US surveillance drone and a Russian fighter jet as it played out over the Black Sea. Follow live updates here.
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Putin's blonde whore flapping her whore mouth again.
