This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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Funny fake translation.
And the real (silly) stuff.
And the real (silly) stuff.
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How can you have a society like this? There is no way to build and sustain trust. It’s every man and woman for themselves. I hope this sorry excuse for a country implodes in short order after Ukraine kicks them out of their lands. I hope they eat themselves or have a civil war. They deserve it.
It gets worse if you read the article. It took 9 months for the government to acknowledge the sinking. They claim the crew of the boat entered the "special operation zone" of their own accord rather than being ordered there. The family members of the civilian sailors that died aren't eligible for benefits because Putin hasn't authorized them because Russia isn't at war.
Thomas C. Theiner
@noclador
So far 4 of 35x brigades trained for the Ukrainian Offensive are in the fight: • 31st Mechanized • 37th Marine • 47th Mechanized • 128th Mountain Assault Still 2x tank, 15x mechanized, 1x jaeger, 2x motorized, 1x marine, 1x air assault and 9x offensive guard brigades to go.
One can suppose they actually might do it and wreck Russia’s credibility in perpetuity. The perpetrators will be hunted like dogs as internationally wanted mass murders and cowards. Everyone will turn against Russia even more so than they do now.
Russia will be deemed a renegade non-sovereign nation until Putin is turned over to international war crimes tribunal, all diplomatic immunity will be severed, all consulates will close.
Russia claiming it was a Storm Shadow but many comments in different threads say the craters are far too small for that. They hint that Ukraine has finally received longer range smaller missiles.
Someone claimed it could have been French Apache runway buster missiles.
Someone claimed it could have been French Apache runway buster missiles.
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Russian invaders start panicking after strike on bridge to Crimea, says official
Russian invaders are beginning to panic following a Ukrainian strike on a bridge connecting the occupied Crimean peninsula to Kherson Oblast, Denys Chystikov, the Deputy Permanent Representative of the President of Ukraine in Crimea said in an interview with Radio NV on June 22.
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HB Heisman
This is a very interesting interview with a former green beret who served in the foreign legion and now is working to recover American KIA in Ukraine.
Former Green Beret’s perspective From the Front
Former Green Beret’s perspective From the Front
Seems blowing up the dam threw a pretty big wrench into things...
KHERSON, Ukraine — The soldiers had staked out the islands for months, working in shifts, often crossing the river at night to build a bridgehead for Ukraine's long-awaited counteroffensive.
"Then our command office said the enemy had blown up the Kakhovka dam," said Andriy, a tactician in a territorial defense unit in this southern Ukrainian region.
Over several weeks, NPR spoke with Andriy and several other soldiers working in reconnaissance and special forces here. They declined to give their last names for security reasons but said they were helping to lay the groundwork for a counteroffensive. But instead of facing off against Russian soldiers, they found themselves fighting floodwaters.
A 40-something with a Viking-style warrior haircut, Andriy recalled bolting out of bed to help evacuate civilians and soldiers. In a series of voice messages to NPR sent earlier this month, he alternated between calmly describing the unfolding disaster and raging against "Russia's war of ecocide and genocide to destroy the Ukrainian people."
"The Russians showed that they can blow up a hydroelectric plant," he said in an exhausted voice. "Who says tomorrow they won't blow up a nuclear power plant?"
"They knew that, as a consequence, it would flood the islands and the occupied bank, where our troops are already, without thinking about their own personnel there, and of course, without thinking about civilians," he said.
Andriy and his unit had spent months doing reconnaissance work on the islands of the Dnipro, which divides the two armies. Russian forces currently occupy land in the Kherson region that begins east of the river and stretches south toward the peninsula of Crimea, which Russia seized in 2014.
Before last November, Russian forces also occupied the regional capital, the city of Kherson. After Ukrainian forces liberated it, Russian soldiers responded by shelling the city and surrounding villages nearly every day. Russian snipers also shot at anyone near the riverbank. Kherson's regional military administration says Russian attacks have killed more than 260 people in the area since last November.
Serhiy, a former park ranger who is in Andriy's unit, said in an interview last month that residents were killed everywhere — waiting for a train, going to the doctor, grocery shopping with their kids.
"We won't be safe here until we push out the Russians," he said.
The river islands, Serhiy said, were the best place to observe Russian troops.
"This is the closest we can get to the enemy to see their movements with our own eyes," he said.
The stakeouts on the river islands came with enormous risk. Serhiy said he and the other soldiers faced constant shelling and attack drones constantly flying over their heads. Russian soldiers in tanks stood ready to strike with artillery or mortars "at the slightest movement."
Andriy said he knew that an offensive across a heavily guarded river would be challenging. Military experts also saw difficulties in moving troops into soft terrain with floodplains and irrigation canals.
But he said his unit had made progress — destroying Russian equipment and enemy sabotage groups, fortifying positions along both sides of the Dnipro. He cited Ukrainian media reports and government statements saying Russian forces had begun evacuating residents from the occupied side and forcing them to apply for Russian passports.
He saw this as a sign that the Russians knew they were losing.
"We would also give the coordinates of Russian weapons stockpiles to our artillery units," says Alex, one of those special forces fighters. "And then we would do a little piff-poff," he added, simulating the sound of shooting. "On the Russians. You know what I mean."
read the rest here...oops, for some reason it goes to the audio and not the article.
KHERSON, Ukraine — The soldiers had staked out the islands for months, working in shifts, often crossing the river at night to build a bridgehead for Ukraine's long-awaited counteroffensive.
"Then our command office said the enemy had blown up the Kakhovka dam," said Andriy, a tactician in a territorial defense unit in this southern Ukrainian region.
Millions of tons of water rushed down Ukraine's largest river, the Dnipro, flooding towns and settlements in its wake. The catastrophic flooding also upended months of careful maneuvers by Ukrainian forces in the region.Over several weeks, NPR spoke with Andriy and several other soldiers working in reconnaissance and special forces here. They declined to give their last names for security reasons but said they were helping to lay the groundwork for a counteroffensive. But instead of facing off against Russian soldiers, they found themselves fighting floodwaters.
A pre-dawn call
Andriy got the call about the dam explosion at 2:58 a.m. on June 6, not long after he had helped embed fellow soldiers from his territorial defense unit onto the islands of the Dnipro River.A 40-something with a Viking-style warrior haircut, Andriy recalled bolting out of bed to help evacuate civilians and soldiers. In a series of voice messages to NPR sent earlier this month, he alternated between calmly describing the unfolding disaster and raging against "Russia's war of ecocide and genocide to destroy the Ukrainian people."
"The Russians showed that they can blow up a hydroelectric plant," he said in an exhausted voice. "Who says tomorrow they won't blow up a nuclear power plant?"
Russia denies it blew up the dam and instead claims the Ukrainians did it. Ukraine's security services say they intercepted communications pointing to a group of Russian saboteurs who intended to damage the dam but instead accidentally blew it up. Andriy said he doesn't believe it was an accident."They knew that, as a consequence, it would flood the islands and the occupied bank, where our troops are already, without thinking about their own personnel there, and of course, without thinking about civilians," he said.
Andriy and his unit had spent months doing reconnaissance work on the islands of the Dnipro, which divides the two armies. Russian forces currently occupy land in the Kherson region that begins east of the river and stretches south toward the peninsula of Crimea, which Russia seized in 2014.
Before last November, Russian forces also occupied the regional capital, the city of Kherson. After Ukrainian forces liberated it, Russian soldiers responded by shelling the city and surrounding villages nearly every day. Russian snipers also shot at anyone near the riverbank. Kherson's regional military administration says Russian attacks have killed more than 260 people in the area since last November.
Serhiy, a former park ranger who is in Andriy's unit, said in an interview last month that residents were killed everywhere — waiting for a train, going to the doctor, grocery shopping with their kids.
"We won't be safe here until we push out the Russians," he said.
The river islands, Serhiy said, were the best place to observe Russian troops.
"This is the closest we can get to the enemy to see their movements with our own eyes," he said.
The stakeouts on the river islands came with enormous risk. Serhiy said he and the other soldiers faced constant shelling and attack drones constantly flying over their heads. Russian soldiers in tanks stood ready to strike with artillery or mortars "at the slightest movement."
Andriy said he knew that an offensive across a heavily guarded river would be challenging. Military experts also saw difficulties in moving troops into soft terrain with floodplains and irrigation canals.
But he said his unit had made progress — destroying Russian equipment and enemy sabotage groups, fortifying positions along both sides of the Dnipro. He cited Ukrainian media reports and government statements saying Russian forces had begun evacuating residents from the occupied side and forcing them to apply for Russian passports.
He saw this as a sign that the Russians knew they were losing.
The river guerrillas
Andriy and his territorial defense unit were not alone on the river islands and banks. A group from Ukraine's special forces had also spent months sabotaging Russian camps and attacking Russian-installed politicians on the occupied side."We would also give the coordinates of Russian weapons stockpiles to our artillery units," says Alex, one of those special forces fighters. "And then we would do a little piff-poff," he added, simulating the sound of shooting. "On the Russians. You know what I mean."
read the rest here...oops, for some reason it goes to the audio and not the article.
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As some tweets have pointed out, I wonder if Russia has screwed themselves over in the long run. Soon the lake bed should have dried out and Ukraine may be able to attack over a wide frontage, making it harder for Russia to defend. (I hope.)Seems blowing up the dam through a pretty big wrench into things...
KHERSON, Ukraine — The soldiers had staked out the islands for months, working in shifts, often crossing the river at night to build a bridgehead for Ukraine's long-awaited counteroffensive.
"Then our command office said the enemy had blown up the Kakhovka dam," said Andriy, a tactician in a territorial defense unit in this southern Ukrainian region.
Millions of tons of water rushed down Ukraine's largest river, the Dnipro, flooding towns and settlements in its wake. The catastrophic flooding also upended months of careful maneuvers by Ukrainian forces in the region.
Over several weeks, NPR spoke with Andriy and several other soldiers working in reconnaissance and special forces here. They declined to give their last names for security reasons but said they were helping to lay the groundwork for a counteroffensive. But instead of facing off against Russian soldiers, they found themselves fighting floodwaters.
A pre-dawn call
Andriy got the call about the dam explosion at 2:58 a.m. on June 6, not long after he had helped embed fellow soldiers from his territorial defense unit onto the islands of the Dnipro River.
A 40-something with a Viking-style warrior haircut, Andriy recalled bolting out of bed to help evacuate civilians and soldiers. In a series of voice messages to NPR sent earlier this month, he alternated between calmly describing the unfolding disaster and raging against "Russia's war of ecocide and genocide to destroy the Ukrainian people."
"The Russians showed that they can blow up a hydroelectric plant," he said in an exhausted voice. "Who says tomorrow they won't blow up a nuclear power plant?"
Russia denies it blew up the dam and instead claims the Ukrainians did it. Ukraine's security services say they intercepted communications pointing to a group of Russian saboteurs who intended to damage the dam but instead accidentally blew it up. Andriy said he doesn't believe it was an accident.
"They knew that, as a consequence, it would flood the islands and the occupied bank, where our troops are already, without thinking about their own personnel there, and of course, without thinking about civilians," he said.
Andriy and his unit had spent months doing reconnaissance work on the islands of the Dnipro, which divides the two armies. Russian forces currently occupy land in the Kherson region that begins east of the river and stretches south toward the peninsula of Crimea, which Russia seized in 2014.
Before last November, Russian forces also occupied the regional capital, the city of Kherson. After Ukrainian forces liberated it, Russian soldiers responded by shelling the city and surrounding villages nearly every day. Russian snipers also shot at anyone near the riverbank. Kherson's regional military administration says Russian attacks have killed more than 260 people in the area since last November.
Serhiy, a former park ranger who is in Andriy's unit, said in an interview last month that residents were killed everywhere — waiting for a train, going to the doctor, grocery shopping with their kids.
"We won't be safe here until we push out the Russians," he said.
The river islands, Serhiy said, were the best place to observe Russian troops.
"This is the closest we can get to the enemy to see their movements with our own eyes," he said.
The stakeouts on the river islands came with enormous risk. Serhiy said he and the other soldiers faced constant shelling and attack drones constantly flying over their heads. Russian soldiers in tanks stood ready to strike with artillery or mortars "at the slightest movement."
Andriy said he knew that an offensive across a heavily guarded river would be challenging. Military experts also saw difficulties in moving troops into soft terrain with floodplains and irrigation canals.
But he said his unit had made progress — destroying Russian equipment and enemy sabotage groups, fortifying positions along both sides of the Dnipro. He cited Ukrainian media reports and government statements saying Russian forces had begun evacuating residents from the occupied side and forcing them to apply for Russian passports.
He saw this as a sign that the Russians knew they were losing.
The river guerrillas
Andriy and his territorial defense unit were not alone on the river islands and banks. A group from Ukraine's special forces had also spent months sabotaging Russian camps and attacking Russian-installed politicians on the occupied side.
"We would also give the coordinates of Russian weapons stockpiles to our artillery units," says Alex, one of those special forces fighters. "And then we would do a little piff-poff," he added, simulating the sound of shooting. "On the Russians. You know what I mean."
read the rest here...oops, for some reason it goes to the audio and not the article.
I think from the Russian perspective they wanted to buy time and throw off the Ukrainian timetable.
So far it has seemingly worked...
I'm thinking it's going to take quite a while for everything to dry out.....
It's an NPR article....
I want Ukraine to win....I'd think that's pretty obvious. I just like to try and get an accurate perspective of the current situation.
Yes, I recognize that. You are just the counter balance we can rely on
Fair enough.
On that note....this war is pretty hard to get an accurate handle on.
There's a lot of propaganda to sift through...on both sides. I sometimes think that the pro-Ukrainian media were underselling the difficulties facing them. In regards to the much expected offensive there was a overly optimistic picture painted. The last few weeks we've had more sobering reporting....
I'm not sure that actually helped Ukraine. I think a more sober assessment of what they actually faced...and a stronger push for air assets in particular back in December or earlier would have been beneficial.
Looks like "we" NATO/US have finally gotten on board with that but it takes time to get those assets in place. If "we" had gotten on board with that much earlier we might be looking at a different situation right now.
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