I was hoping for ish to really hit the fan. That really kills the boner.
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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Really? Selling nukes to terrorists? Have a link?
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This really seems like theater. Wagner can’t be trusted. Is Putin going to give up Shoigu?
If this was real, what was achieved?
If this was real, what was achieved?
Google it. Half that country is terrorists. Go to Islamabad and jalalabad and find out.
If this thing is over, I am going to be the sads.
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Today, the world saw that the bosses of Russia do not control anything. Nothing at all. Complete chaos. Complete absence of any predictability.
First, the world should not be afraid. We know what protects us. Our unity.
Ukraine will definitely be able to protect Europe from any Russian forces, and it doesn't matter who commands them. We will protect. The security of Europe's eastern flank depends only on our defense.
Ukrainian soldiers, Ukrainian guns, Ukrainian tanks, Ukrainian missiles are all that protect Europe from such marches as we see today on Russian territory. And when we ask to give us the F-16 fighters or the ATACMS, we're enhancing our common defense. Real defense.
Second, everything must be real. It's time for everyone in the world to frankly say that all of Russia's criminal actions against Ukraine were and are unprovoked. And we all have to focus exclusively on our common security priorities. NATO is not just a word or a set of formal promises. These are reliable guarantees for everyone that peace won't be destroyed. Without Ukraine, such guarantees are worthless. Already in July at the summit in Vilnius, it is a historic chance for real decisions without looking back at Russia. Any nation that borders Russia supports this.
What will we, Ukrainians, do?
We will defend our country. We will defend our freedom. We will not be silent and we will not be inactive. We know how to win – and it will happen. Our victory in this war.
And what will you, Russians, do?
The longer your troops stay on Ukrainian land, the more devastation they will bring to Russia. The longer this person is in the Kremlin, the more disasters there will be.
Oh, nothing is over.
Putin can't give a speech like that and then do a 180 and say, "Never mind."
I don’t think so. All of Prigozhin’s rhetoric leans towards withdrawing from Ukraine.
Ukraine never attacked Russian speaking civilians, NATO wasn’t the reason for the attack, the war has been much more costly than reported…
I hope you're right but I don't see how Putin would survive a withdrawal from Ukraine.
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anon_b29nm7v7dwp6r
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Hmm…this all seems a bit fishy now. Nearly unopposed they waltz to nearly Moscow….Then magically broker a deal.
My belief is this whole thing was staged by Putin. Not entirely sure what the goal is yet, but something doesn’t add up.
My belief is this whole thing was staged by Putin. Not entirely sure what the goal is yet, but something doesn’t add up.
Road to Jalalabad was a hell of a map on Battlefield back in the day. So yeah, I have practically been there.
How can Putin do a deal with Prigozhin after telling the nation he's a traitor?
What kind of "security guarantees" can Prigozhin get, when Putin said he'd kill him?
And if Prigozhin got anything out of the deal, such as Shoigu's resignation – how could Putin possibly agree?
Not sure I buy this peace agreement story. Not sure which side is lying. Seems outlandish.
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anon_b29nm7v7dwp6r
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Yeah, the whole thing just doesn’t add up.
Unless Prigozhin is just the dumbest guy on earth…then maybe this all makes sense.
If it isn’t staged, he and all his men are going out the most convenient windows…
I don't see how that would save him, historically Russian leaders who lose a war don't survive.
Very weird…
These guys have proven repeatedly over the last 17 months that they aren’t exactly rocket scientists so me he’s just dumb. A dumb thug with $$$
This is the only way Prigozhan survives this…
In Bond movies this is the guy the villain hands the tools of torture to, then walks out of the room. Total Ser llyn Payne from GoT look to him.
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anon_b29nm7v7dwp6r
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If this was a legit coup attempt, the only way the Wagner guys got any power is just to give Putin enough time to consolidate things and launch his own version of a purge of anyone who has been involved.
Unless of course Putin in reality is just a figurehead at this point and has been deposed behind the scenes.
This situation is wild, and rapidly developing. But, in no way is Putin a winner in the events of the last 24 hours. He's weakened in the eyes of the oligarchs, the military, the citizens...
If Prigozhan controls the MoD, he might safe from Putin. This definitely feels like a power grab.
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anon_b29nm7v7dwp6r
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Yep, if it comes out that he runs the MoD then it’s entirely possible he is the main man, and Putin is now just a figurehead….similar to how the Emperor of Japan was.
It’s really hard to believe after all this Prigozhan is just going to pull an Emily Litella.
