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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

Article linked on the Biden admin “quietly” debating sending ATACMS to Ukraine.

I appreciate that we boiled the Russian frog slowly, but it came at the expense of Ukrainian lives and territory. And that pot is in a full roiling boil now. Everything short of WMDs and truly next gen technology should be on the table.

Get of your ass Biden
Stalling doesn't make sense to me since the UK and France are supplying long range cruise missiles with bigger warheads anyway. There is a rumor that even Germany may change its mind and supply their Taurus cruise missiles.
 
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Proud to say barrels and other components for those howitzers are made right here in River City.

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Items manufactured at RIA include artillery, gun mounts, recoil mechanisms, small arms, aircraft weapons sub- system, grenade launchers, weapons simulators, and a host of associated components. These include: Gun Mount M178 for M109A1/M109A2 Self-Propelled Howitzer; Gun Mount M182 for M109A5/M109A6 Self-Propelled Howitzer (RCMAS); M119 Towed Howitzer, 105mm; Spare Parts for M198 Towed Howitzer, 155mm; M242 barrel for Bradley vehicles; and 120mm Gun Mount for M1A1 Abrams Tank.
 
Proud to say barrels and other components for those howitzers are made right here in River City.

ROCK_ISLAND_ARSENAL_HERO_1800_675_60_c1.jpg



Items manufactured at RIA include artillery, gun mounts, recoil mechanisms, small arms, aircraft weapons sub- system, grenade launchers, weapons simulators, and a host of associated components. These include: Gun Mount M178 for M109A1/M109A2 Self-Propelled Howitzer; Gun Mount M182 for M109A5/M109A6 Self-Propelled Howitzer (RCMAS); M119 Towed Howitzer, 105mm; Spare Parts for M198 Towed Howitzer, 155mm; M242 barrel for Bradley vehicles; and 120mm Gun Mount for M1A1 Abrams Tank.
I knew the quads were good for something other than Whitey's malts and Happy Joes's taco pizza. Well, I also suppose producing my wife and inlaws. And providing me with a high school education.
 
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Proud to say barrels and other components for those howitzers are made right here in River City.

ROCK_ISLAND_ARSENAL_HERO_1800_675_60_c1.jpg



Items manufactured at RIA include artillery, gun mounts, recoil mechanisms, small arms, aircraft weapons sub- system, grenade launchers, weapons simulators, and a host of associated components. These include: Gun Mount M178 for M109A1/M109A2 Self-Propelled Howitzer; Gun Mount M182 for M109A5/M109A6 Self-Propelled Howitzer (RCMAS); M119 Towed Howitzer, 105mm; Spare Parts for M198 Towed Howitzer, 155mm; M242 barrel for Bradley vehicles; and 120mm Gun Mount for M1A1 Abrams Tank.
IIRC they have a German Panther where a shell had hit the gun barrel and pinched it shut. Or maybe it was a Sherman that the Germans hit. It's been a long time:)
 


IIRC they have a German Panther where a shell had hit the gun barrel and pinched it shut. Or maybe it was a Sherman that the Germans hit. It's been a long time:)

‘Yep. It is a Sherman. I believe the battle damage was from the Battle of the Bulge. Has several other hits marked by yellow paint.
 
Article linked on the Biden admin “quietly” debating sending ATACMS to Ukraine.

I appreciate that we boiled the Russian frog slowly, but it came at the expense of Ukrainian lives and territory. And that pot is in a full roiling boil now. Everything short of WMDs and truly next gen technology should be on the table.

Get of your ass Biden
You raise an interesting point. If the administration made one error in this affair (albeit a reasonable one, of judgment), it was not raising the stakes before things got started (eg, by putting us troops in harms way under some pretext) and instead taking an approach where everything we did was guided by a "we're not escalating" messaging principle. We are indeed long past that. I suppose that at the end of the day, maybe we're even too long past that, ie, the meat grinder has been built and operationalized and there really isn't any support solution that is going to shorten its useful life.
 
You raise an interesting point. If the administration made one error in this affair (albeit a reasonable one, of judgment), it was not raising the stakes before things got started (eg, by putting us troops in harms way under some pretext) and instead taking an approach where everything we did was guided by a "we're not escalating" messaging principle. We are indeed long past that. I suppose that at the end of the day, maybe we're even too long past that, ie, the meat grinder has been built and operationalized and there really isn't any support solution that is going to shorten its useful life.

I think the preferred outcome here has always been to let Russia crumble so there's little left in the form of resistance for when it's time for the West to clean this mess up. The endgame is isolating China and a partitioned Russia leaves China with.......North Korea and some 3rd world projects they're working on.
 
The cultural differences between the West and Russia are terrifying.

I saw a story about a Ukrainian who had been in a Bradley that was destroyed. His whole crew had survived. There was a sense of disbelief that our weapons were designed that way,
 
I think the preferred outcome here has always been to let Russia crumble so there's little left in the form of resistance for when it's time for the West to clean this mess up. The endgame is isolating China and a partitioned Russia leaves China with.......North Korea and some 3rd world projects they're working on.
First stage is demilitarization of Russia, followed closely by the deRussiafication of the world.
 
Barr with more wild claims

Her father fled Kiev because of Russian pogroms. Her great grandfather on the other side fled Russia because of pogroms. Her grandmother from Lithuania came to the United States because of the Russian Pogroms.

Her grandmother’s family in Lithuania were killed in the Holocaust.
 
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