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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

If this goes badly, the Klitschko brothers are going to die in Kyiv.

Some of you may not know or barely know who they are, but they a worldwide superstars in boxing, and millionaires a hundred times over. Vitali was elected mayor of Kyiv after his career.

Wonder how the pussy footed Germans will take this. Germany was the adopted home for the brothers for their boxing career, where they were mega stars and idolized, and regularly fought before sold out arenas.

 
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I have a feeling espionage of military tech will increase greatly after this is over.

Russia will realize “our stuff isn’t very good”.
 
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I forget who he was but some senior Ukraine official said last night that the Russians would not take Kyiv. When he was then asked if the Ukrainian government had contingency plans if Kyiv would fall, he simply restated Kyiv would not fall.

They seem to be a confident bunch. More power to them.
 
The circumstances are terrible….but every single time I see an interview or any interaction with the Ukrainian people they endear themselves to me. Whether it’s the stranger being interviewed on live TV in a subway station, or in a car, the soldiers on an island over the radio, the old lady telling the Russians to get out and put sunflowers in their pocket.

This is their homeland and they are defending it….they seem like great, great people. I hope we are doing everything we can to back them up.
 
The circumstances are terrible….but every single time I see an interview or any interaction with the Ukrainian people they endear themselves to me. Whether it’s the stranger being interviewed on live TV in a subway station, or in a car, the soldiers on an island over the radio, the old lady telling the Russians to get out and put sunflowers in their pocket.

This is their homeland and they are defending it….they seem like great, great people. I hope we are doing everything we can to back them up.


I lived there in 2011 for 6 weeks. Kiev and Dnepritovsk.

They are a proud, well educated and very stubborn people. I hope and pray they do well.
 
That's gotta be an exaggeration.

It's probably optimistic...but I'll say a lot of analysts on twitter have been saying that previous Ukrainian Russian death toll numbers are plausible...when it was 300, when it was 800, etc.

There's literally never been so much information out there during a war, and there are apparently so many operations going for the Russians, the number add up pretty quickly.

Still seems crazy.

Some interesting corroboration though...Russia is basically drafting doctors, especially trauma surgeons, nationwide for ‘saving lives...in Russia.' Sounds like something you do ahead of a mass casualty event.

 
If this goes badly, the Klitschko brothers are going to die in Kyiv.

Some of you may not know or barely know who they are, but they a worldwide superstars in boxing, and millionaires a million times over. Vitali was elected mayor of Kyiv after his career.

Wonder how the pussy footed Germans will take this. Germany was the adopted home for the brothers for their boxing career, where they were mega stars and idolized, and regularly fought before sold out arenas.

Your post forgot to mention "Future Ukrainian President - Vitali Klitschko"
 
I get it.
I bring up the same uncomfortable shit our country does abroad that Nat would.
I don't wear blinders, or share the 'my country, right or wrong' mindset.

But can you quote something you consider 'pro Russia'?

I commented on those guys getting shot up because it has been asserted that small arms are useless against a standing army.

Their plight reminded me of the scenes in Blackhawk Down, where the truck convoy is being shot to pieces and the guys are lost.
Another similar real life event was what happened to that supply convoy that got lost in Nasiriyah:

At around 06:00 on the morning of 23 March, an 18-vehicle convoy of 31 soldiers of the United States Army's 507th Maintenance Company and two soldiers of the 3rd Forward Support Battalion of the 3rd Infantry Division missed a turn onto Highway 8 and mistakenly continued along Highway 7 into the city. The convoy was led by Captain Troy King, a supply officer with little combat training. Iraqi technical vehicles began shadowing the convoy as it passed an Iraqi checkpoint near the Euphrates River. After passing the Al-Quds headquarters on the northern outskirts of the city, King realized that he was lost and the convoy began turning around to retrace its steps through the city.

As the convoy turned left on to Highway 16. At about 07:00 it began to receive sporadic small arms fire, the source and direction of which could not be determined. The ambush was unlikely to have been set up in advance, because the Iraqis did not know which course the convoy would take. In the resulting chaos, the 507th became divided into three smaller groups as it attempted to move south, out of Nasiriyah.[3] The first element of the convoy (known in the official U.S. Army report as Group 1) made it through unscathed, and continued south to meet up with the Marines. Group 2 also made it through the kill zone, although their vehicles were badly damaged and had to be abandoned. Group 3 encountered road barriers and was defeated.



So it wasn't actually what I said, but your preconceptions.
Got it.
No, you bring up bullshit, often out of context and mix in misleading info you get from far right wing sites. It's funny watching you scramble.
 
I guess there is some possibility they're commando/saboteurs roaming around a Ukrainian city in a giant military truck with an anti-aircraft gun mounted in the bed. But I do figure it more likely they're just low level schmucks that got separated from their unit and found themselves in a hornet's nest of small arms fire.

That was the interesting thing to me about the scenario.

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Being able to grasp someone else's viewpoint, and being able to articulate that viewpoint to others, doesn't mean sharing it, but you like to leap to that conclusion.
I've learned to not worry about it.
Stupid. The United States has the largest standing Army in the world. We do not need to count on passing out small arms to regular citizens to stop an invasion. Not to mention, who the F is going to invade us? Mexico? Canada.

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. BAU.
 

This will eventually make its way to wealthy Russian civilians living abroad, I don't think Putin planned on the international backlash being so great. Russia isn't North Korea or Iran that can insulate itself and leach off a bigger economy.

I'm starting to see no way out of this for Russia. It doesn't have the capabilities or resources to reoccupy the former USSR in a digital age, and it can't control its own population's dissent without basically cutting it off from the world - which it can't do in a digital age. It would be wise to sue for peace or withdraw sooner rather than later imo before its wealthy abroad get chased out of the west and cause major disturbances in Russia through their wealth.
 
I thought the paratroopers that couldn't take the airfield yesterday were special forces. Could be totally wrong on that, though.

From what I've been reading, the "tip of the spear" forces of Russia are pretty darn good, and well equipped.

However, it seems to be universally held that Russian forces beyond that are very poorly trained, poorly commanded, and exceptionally shitty for a world power. Add to that the fact that morale for this war is near zero.

Sheer numbers still strongly favor a Russian victory, but they're going to shed an insane amount of blood too. So far, there seems to be very little cracks in the Ukrainian will.
 
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