This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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Sounds like someone I want to listen to.
Apparently this happened in early February.
I started that post (you quoted it!) with the answer to your question:
Just guarantee neither side will incorporate the country into their military alliance and festoon it with bases.
It’s that simple, why is it absurd?
We don’t want Cuba being made into a base for other country’s weapons.
Russia doesn’t want Ukraine made into a base for other country’s weapons.
What is the distinction you draw between those positions?
The Russians were seeking something like this:
Finland signed an Agreement of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance with the Soviet Union in April 1948, under which Finland was obliged to resist armed attacks by "Germany or its allies" against Finland, or against the Soviet Union through Finland, and, if necessary, ask for Soviet military aid to do so. At the same time, the agreement recognised Finland's desire to remain outside great power conflicts, allowing the country to adopt a policy of neutrality during the Cold War.
Is that worse than what we have now?
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You know it is just the last half of the word sauerkraut and that is a food many Germans eat, right?
I am 1/2 German and 1/2 Lithuanian. Go ahead and call me Krauty McPerogi, I don’t mind! 😉
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Unwinnable war for Russia. These people will fight for a millennia.
Sounds like a typical Prussian from the old eastern borderlands to me.
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They are taking volunteers in Ukraine. Get your fat ass over there. On the plus side, they all smoke - you’ll fit right in!
Mrs. Trad will buy the plane ticket.
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These Russian POWs are all about the age of my son. I feel sorry for them too. They are literally expendable pawns in a war they don’t even know why it was started or what it’s about. Sad.
Unless they punched holes on their gas tanks or immediately surrendered I don’t feel bad for them. They’re the ones committing the atrocities.
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2,1 ………………………………. 3
And probably not 3 because I think she may be developmentally disabled.
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Well we won’t see @seminole97 for awhile now, that is grade A fapping material for that Russia-loving SOB!
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We don't want Cuba having nukes
Ukraine has no nukes, nor will it even if it became a NATO country.
Better than nothing and the oligarchs will lose it.
My favorite part of digging around on Twitter so far is seeing a bot call Hunter Biden “Hunter of Biden.” Sounds so regal.
Perhaps the Ukrainians are skeptical of this type of agreement since the Russians violated the existing Budapest agreement. Also they have invaded the country on the false pretense of eliminating Nazis.
Worries about "Basing weapons" can be taken care by treaty or other agreement, like how we agreed to no permament NATO bases in the Baltics or other border countries. The INF treaty between the US banned missiles from all of Europe in 1987 until Putin asked Trump to withdraw from it in 2019 to provide him with a "legitimate security concern about NATO missiles in Ukraine" as a pretext for his planned invasion. The INF could be renewed, and NATO could guarantee no bases, and no troops training east of Lviv or wherever.
I'm trying to figure out what part of such an agreement guarantees Ukraine's safety from future Russian aggression or subversion.
The Weapon the West Used Against Putin
The way in which the U.S. disclosed intelligence ahead of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine could drastically change geopolitics in the future.
Pretty interesting tactic explored…
Russia’s invasion of Ukraine looks like a horrific Cold War throwback. Once again, a strongman rules in Moscow, Russian tanks are rolling across borders, and a democratic nation is fighting for its survival, street by street, day by day, armed with little more than Molotov cocktails and a fierce belief in freedom. For all the talk of emerging technologies and new threats, the violence in Ukraine feels raw and low-tech, and the world suddenly looks old again.
And yet, amid all these echoes of the past, Russia’s invasion has ushered in one development that is altogether new and could dramatically change geopolitics in the future: the real-time public disclosure of highly classified intelligence.
I would guess any agreement would have to include the naval base in Crimea and a land bridge to it. Maybe throw in the small break away areas. Have the agreement refereed by outside powers if both sides could agree to who that would be.
Only if you're giving up Ukrainian territory.
All those lands go back to Ukraine, or sanctions stay in place.
Gonna be some interesting 2022 and 2024 election cycles w/o Russian money involved.
Ukraine joins NATO, but no basing NATO missiles or forces there. That's how all the former Warsaw Pact countries were added.
The base is Russian as are the people in the break away states. I don't think Russia will concede them. I suspect if they make this offer, the West will ask Ukraine to agree and might threaten them with lifting sanctions.
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Literally my worst nightmare.
It’s not every day they are forced to sit that close to a psychopathic mass murdering piece of shit.
He literally sits 50 feet away from everyone, but will be next to all of them.
Russian troops have apparently pulled out to the outskirts of Kherson.
