This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

[RileyHawk]

Sociologists have been saying for a while that we're long past due for a World War. The fears that one would ramp up have only increased over the last ten years as the last people involved with them either died out or got too old for political office/military place. Essentially everyone who remembers just how terrible a world war were have all died off and now we have a bunch of younger hot heads who want to have a dick measuring contest without realizing just how damaging it really can be.

We simply have to just read the boards here to see how little people give to just what a real major conflict would look like, and the absolute devastation that even a handful of Russia's nukes being used would look like. I guess growing up in the coldwar still has me remembering all the dangers of a nuclear war. The fact that so many are certain that no one uses one and that no one escalates are just silly.

Again, there are red lines that may require we move in regardless of that threat; but you decide to play the big dog and guess wrong and you wind up radiating the entire planet. That's not a risk any sensible leader should take, and it doesn't make them weak to recognize how many people's lives they're putting at risk world wide. If we're going to amp up this escalation, that needs sign off of all of our major allies, not just the US deciding enough is enough.

People are overlooking the economic ramifications worldwide of even a single tactical nuke is deployed.

 

[mnole03]

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Pics of popping?

 

[Joes Place]

We (NATO/US) made our bed in regards to Ukraine in the lead up to the invasion. The time to show backbone was THEN.

Now if we intervene militarily we get into a shooting war with a country that has over 6,000 nukes. If you think Putin just takes an ass whoopin and goes quietly I think that's wishful thinking.

What if the Russians decide to deploy a small tactical nuke to hit an Air Base involved in enforcing the no fly zone? What's the US/NATO response to something like that?

Maybe Putin thinks we won't respond in kind because we don't want to risk Nuclear armegeddon...he might be right.

I'd rather not contemplate such a scenario....

The time for backbone was BEFORE the invasion. Clearly defined lines...essential in deterrence.

We (NATO/US) basically said we'd impose some sanctions if Russia invaded...Putin said IDGAF and invaded.

Russia's actions in Chechnya, Georgia and Syria pointed to indiscriminate attacks on civilians being pretty damned likely.

Epic failure by the US and NATO in the lead up to the invasion....

Remind me who was kowtowing to Putin for 4 full years, and siding with Russia vs Ukraine, to the point of extorting Ukraine for political help....

Putin got bold because he had won bigly in the US. Then he got held to a 3-and-out in the 2020 election, and outkicked his coverage on the punt.

 

[tumorboy]

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[mnole03]

‘An airdrop operation in the outskirts of the capital Kyiv ends with the elimination of the Ukrainian Nazi extremist groups and the control of large quantities of foreign weapons coming from outside the Ukrainian borders. * Russian Defense.’

This is Russian propaganda from Twitter. They’re winning this thing.

 

[RileyHawk]

The line that was established was sanctions....not the same as threatening a military response. Putin hasn't F'd with a NATO member for a reason....because he knows it'd get a military response and he doesn't want to tangle with NATO. If the Ukrainian's with no air force to speak of are doing this to his military...what do you think NATO could do?

We made it clear we wouldn't respond militarily.....clear line but a very weak and unintimidating one. At least for Putin....he's finding out now that the sanctions aren't a joke.

Sanctions AND military support. We made a clear line at NATO because there was no appetite for responding militarily for a non-NATO country. It resulted in the rallying of pour allies and unprecedented support for Ukraine to fight their own war. Should they be able to stymie Putin it will demonstrate just how weak they are in the world order. Hell, it's doing that already.

 

[Tenacious E]

Is vagina poppers best served with ranch or marianna?

Blue cheese dressing.

 

[hydro2.0]

One things for sure: These Ukrainian soldiers are fuking good at stacking dead Russians. Can’t believe how many have been killed

 

[Joes Place]

Not sorry for your loses, @Nat Algren

Beetlejuice!!! Beetlejuice!!! Beetlejuice!!!

Spoiler: Translated

@Nat Algren @Nat Algren @Nat Algren

 

[Aardvark86]

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Sometimes I am pleased to not be following along in detail. This is one of those times.

 

[Joes Place]

What makes you think he does not have support of the military commanders required to initiate a nuclear launch?

Did you see their faces in the "long table meeting"?

 

[globalhawk]

I don't think Putin would use nukes unless the Kremlin was in danger of being overthrown.

Even then, he would have to get other people to agree.

I don't see that happening.

(I'm not saying we should try to find out the hard way, though.)

I am not so sure. I don't see anything stable about Putin right now.

 

[Tenacious E]

Did you see their faces in the "long table meeting"?

Not sure how that is material.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

Did you see their faces in the "long table meeting"?

Can you give us a rundown on how many approvals are needed, how the chain of succession for those approvals work, and what is preventing 2-3 in favor of a launch from working their way down the list getting rid of "dissenters"?

 

[JupiterHawk]

 

[HawkFan1298]

‘An airdrop operation in the outskirts of the capital Kyiv ends with the elimination of the Ukrainian Nazi extremist groups and the control of large quantities of foreign weapons coming from outside the Ukrainian borders. * Russian Defense.’

This is Russian propaganda from Twitter. They’re winning this thing.

Maybe report them and hope they get banned?

 

[noleclone2]

This is pretty accurate:

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That one. But are they precise? Sounds like no.

 

[JupiterHawk]

The deaths came fast. On Feb. 27, we watched as a doctor tried to save a little girl hit by shrapnel. She died.

A second child died, then a third. Ambulances stopped picking up the wounded because people couldn’t call them without a signal, and they couldn’t navigate the bombed-out streets.

The doctors pleaded with us to film families bringing in their own dead and wounded, and let us use their dwindling generator power for our cameras. No one knows what’s going on in our city, they said.

 

[mustang_hawk]

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When did the 13th amendment get repealed?

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Pics of popping?

What is the difference between Scissoring and Tribadism? Tribadism, or tribbing, is the category under which the scissoring sex position falls under. Two females standing up, facing each other, and rubbing their clitorises against each other is considered tribbing but technically not scissoring because their legs aren’t intertwined. Generally, however, tribbing and scissoring are used interchangeably.

 

[SalAunese]

‘An airdrop operation in the outskirts of the capital Kyiv ends with the elimination of the Ukrainian Nazi extremist groups and the control of large quantities of foreign weapons coming from outside the Ukrainian borders. * Russian Defense.’

This is Russian propaganda from Twitter. They’re winning this thing.

There are more Nazis/white power groups in Russia than all of the former republics combined. Ukrainians actively the resisted the Soviets before, during and after WW2, which made it easy for the Russian dominated USSR to label them as Nazi collaborators.

 

[86Hawkeye]

Good article. Don’t let destroyed hospitals and leveled cities tell you that Russia is necessarily winning.

Why Can’t the West Admit That Ukraine Is Winning?

America has become too accustomed to thinking of its side as stymied, ineffective, or incompetent.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[mnole03]

Good article. Don’t let destroyed hospitals and leveled cities tell you that Russia is necessarily winning.

Why Can’t the West Admit That Ukraine Is Winning?

America has become too accustomed to thinking of its side as stymied, ineffective, or incompetent.

www.theatlantic.com

This whole thread is about Ukraine winning. America has us.

 

[HawkFan1298]

I'm not a huge fan or Hillary Clinton or trying to make this thread political, but this is from 7 years ago.

She says she doesn't see Russia having a good future with Putin in charge.

She was 100% right.

 

[DFSNOLE]

‘An airdrop operation in the outskirts of the capital Kyiv ends with the elimination of the Ukrainian Nazi extremist groups and the control of large quantities of foreign weapons coming from outside the Ukrainian borders. * Russian Defense.’

This is Russian propaganda from Twitter. They’re winning this thing.

Mission accomplished! The end of the Special Operation, right?

 

[mnole03]

 

[tumorboy]

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And Putin resupplying RU Army with latest 17 to 18 year old canon fodder.

 

[Chishawk1425]

 

[h-hawk]

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I've seen that movie!

 

[Joes Place]

This is pretty accurate:

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And this wouldn't have happened if allied forces were shooting down the Russian spy aircraft and drones, so they couldn't track them...

 

[Joes Place]

Can you give us a rundown on how many approvals are needed

More than Putin.

You can safely presume they have similar safeguards in place to prevent any rogue military guy or insane person from pre-emptively launching.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

More than Putin.

You can safely presume they have similar safeguards in place to prevent any rogue military guy or insane person from pre-emptively launching.

Thanks for the analysis. Hard to dispute those numbers.

 

[h-hawk]

‘An airdrop operation in the outskirts of the capital Kyiv ends with the elimination of the Ukrainian Nazi extremist groups and the control of large quantities of foreign weapons coming from outside the Ukrainian borders. * Russian Defense.’

This is Russian propaganda from Twitter. They’re winning this thing.

FWIW I thought I read where you can still drive in and out of parts of Kyiv.. This sounds like the desperate action one would expect down south in Mariupol.

 

[Joes Place]

Thanks for the analysis. Hard to dispute those numbers.

You can look it up if you'd like.

 

[NorthDSMHawk]

You can look it up if you'd like.

Link?

 

[torbee]

What is the difference between Scissoring and Tribadism? Tribadism, or tribbing, is the category under which the scissoring sex position falls under. Two females standing up, facing each other, and rubbing their clitorises against each other is considered tribbing but technically not scissoring because their legs aren’t intertwined. Generally, however, tribbing and scissoring are used interchangeably.

 

[h-hawk]

Did Russia release those casualty figures to undermine Putin or, probably more likely, to justify using chemical, biological or nuclear weapons? I can be paranoid too.

 

[mnole03]

Did Russia release those casualty figures to undermine Putin or, probably more likely, to justify using chemical, biological or nuclear weapons? I can be paranoid too.

They were proving the Ukraine numbers were false. We didn’t lose 15k KIA, just 10k.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

Link?

It requires Putin, Shoygu, Gerasimov, and the multiple people doing the actual launching from a sub, silo, plane, etc. Oh, and anyone around them with a gun to not shoot anyone of them to stop an insane end of the world moment. So a bunch would be involved.

Here are some links if you are interested. Also note that the crippling sanctions are far closer to a red line in their doctrine (attack that threatens the viability of the Russian state) than a conventional attack on Ukrainian soil.

Actual Russia policy

Short Reuters article

Wikipedia article on the Russian briefcase

 

[mnole03]