ADVERTISEMENT

This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

Oh no doubt. Putin seriously miscalculated. Russia had spent at least a decade if not more trying to sow divisions in the EU in the US and NATO by playing their Russian troll farm games. And they were successful. They've created massive political division in the US, got Trump elected most likely, and still have several (essentially) Russian operatives in our own political system. Their work was likely behind Brexit as well along with attempts to do the same in France and Germany. And they've even managed to infiltrate a number of NATO countries like Hungary with more authoritarian regimes of their own. I believe they had seen how successful that was and thought that the alliances had been broken. Fortunately he was wrong, and fortunately America had an adult in the room who was willing to rebuild those alliances rather than continue to tear them apart as Trump did.

Had we had another 4 years of Russia being able to keep pulling on those strings who knows what would have happened. I think had Trump been elected Russia likely would not have invaded, but not because they were afraid of Trump, but because he was going to continue to do their work of undermining NATO and America's hard built alliances around the world which would essentially give them what they wanted anyhow.
It’s a fascinating story because they were genius and incredibly adept at what they did. But all the while they lost track of the corruption of military.
 
Based on the exploits of Mr. Vasquez, I fully expect to be reading about some American casualties before long.

I know it pales in comparison to what's happening to the brave Ukrainians, but I'd be interested to know how in the hell these guys get coordinated?
 
  • Like
Reactions: flyfishstout_CO
Based on the exploits of Mr. Vasquez, I fully expect to be reading about some American casualties before long.

I know it pales in comparison to what's happening to the brave Ukrainians, but I'd be interested to know how in the hell these guys get coordinated?
We've had trusted contacts with their military for years as well as the Nato countries. Years of training and other assistance.
 
  • Like
Reactions: h-hawk


After attending Thursday's NATO emergency summit in Brussels, Erdogan described, "There are six topics of negotiation between Russia and Ukraine, there seems to be an understanding between them about four topics."
"At first, Ukraine was hung up on this issue, but later on, Zelensky began to express that he could withdraw from NATO membership. Another issue is the acceptance of Russian as an official language. Zelensky also admitted this. Russian is a language spoken almost everywhere in Ukraine. There is no problem at this point either," the Turkish president added.
Last week Zelensky had introduced a possible major obstacle to reaching a ceasefire deal by publicly announcing that any any final agreement would have to be taken up by the entire government, and presented to the Ukrainian people.
"I think Mr. Zelensky has displayed wise leadership with an understanding to take the issue to referendum by saying ‘That is a decision that must be made by the entire Ukrainian people'," Erdoğan said, addressing the declaration.
Erdogan is holding a Friday phone call with Putin, of which he said "we should discuss and evaluate" NATO meetings, in reference to the Russian leader. "We have to look for a way to smooth this business by saying 'make an honorable exit to this,'" Erdoğan said. "On the other hand, we [Turkey] certainly consider the use of weapons of mass destruction as a crime against humanity," he added.
Erdogan is expected to convey to Putin, as he previewed in Brussels to reporters, "I will look for ways to end this issue by telling him to become an architect for peace and make an honorable exit."
The Turkish leader also addressed media reports that the US had floated the idea of Turkey transferring its Russian S-400 anti-air defense systems to Ukraine. Erdogan suggested that it's but a Washington attempt to "stir up trouble"...
"The S-400s are our property and this issue is a closed case," Erdogan said.
He added the suggestion showed Americans were looking for ways to harass Ankara on the issue.
”They are in an effort on how to strike Turkey on this issue and put it in trouble," he said.
Erdogan further said the focus should remain on finding a Russia-Ukraine peaceful resolution to the conflict, calling on Putin to again "Make an honorable breakthrough, to find a solution."

Ukraine should join NATO a few hours after the agreement is signed.
But should be their choice/option. NATO should be prepared to ink the deal immediately.

Then if that makes Russia and Putin 2.0 all pissypants, they can decide if they want Round 2 vs NATO.
 
Based on the exploits of Mr. Vasquez, I fully expect to be reading about some American casualties before long.

I know it pales in comparison to what's happening to the brave Ukrainians, but I'd be interested to know how in the hell these guys get coordinated?
I admire his bravery but does he really not know that a tank is?:)
 
  • Like
Reactions: mnole03
Had we had another 4 years of Russia being able to keep pulling on those strings who knows what would have happened. I think had Trump been elected Russia likely would not have invaded, but not because they were afraid of Trump, but because he was going to continue to do their work of undermining NATO and America's hard built alliances around the world which would essentially give them what they wanted anyhow.
He'd have already taken Ukraine, by offing Zelenskyy and putting in another puppet.

But there would be a massive internal civil war there to fight against it. As it stands now, Ukrainians are united against him.
 
We gonna hit page 400 today.

giphy.gif



giphy.gif

giphy.gif

giphy.gif
 
That seems odd. It’s up to them how they get peace but I can’t imagine giving up Donbas, disarming, and having the official language be Russian is viable.
They mean Russian being AN official language, not THE official language. Should be a no brainer.

On the other things:

1. No way Ukraine gives up Donbas and Crimea (I could see giving Donbas to keep Crimea though. Donbas is a shit hole.)

2. Neutrality - They can call it whatever they want, but Ukraine is going to have close relationships with the West. This will include economically and from a military assistance perspective. Security guarantees too.

3. Disarmament is a non-starter, after what Russia has done the past 8 years.
 
They mean Russian being AN official language, not THE official language. Should be a no brainer.

On the other things:

1. No way Ukraine gives up Donbas and Crimea (I could see giving Donbas to keep Crimea though. Donbas is a shit hole.)

2. Neutrality - They can call it whatever they want, but Ukraine is going to have close relationships with the West. This will include economically and from a military assistance perspective. Security guarantees too.

3. Disarmament is a non-starter, after what Russia has done the past 8 years.
I think Russia will insist on keeping Crimea where they have the naval base and at least a land corridor to it. IMO Putin will not negotiate on this.
 
Better fill up today.....


Next Up:

A financially "broke" Russia negotiates with Iran, transferring tactical nukes to the mullahs.
Nukes get used on Saudi Aramaco facilities, making the world fully dependent on non-radioactive oil from Iran and Russia (among others).

Results in the opening acts of WW III.
 
  • Wow
Reactions: h-hawk
Ukraine doesn't get rebuilt w/o Western relationships and Western $$.
In what was to be his retirement year, My best friend has been asked to lead his consulting firm’s team on ukr rebuilding. Dod, dos, and usaid’s current beltway feeding trough is valued at about $200 billion. I have a feeling his last year salary will positively affect his pension.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: h-hawk and torbee
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT