FTR, this is kind of what spurred my post
Good stuff. I was a 63B H8 in Charlie Company 64th FSB out of Fort Carson back in 96. It’s kinda funny that my old MOS (63B) is now a 91B which was a medic back then.And yes, I left A LOT of stuff out, just a quick snapshot.
Good stuff. I was a 63B H8 in Charlie Company 64th FSB out of Fort Carson back in 96. It’s kinda funny that my old MOS (63B) is now a 91B which was a medic back then.
Really makes you believe they will promptly pay the promised death benefit.
So is the author’s point because of the high number of KIA vis-a-vis WIA, their medical/medics are no good? Could it just be that due to technology, those hit by weaponry or in something hit weaponry are just more likely to be blown to bits or charred to ash?I saw this and wanted to kind of compare, so read through this thread, then come back.
Ok, so, when dealing with KIA/WIA. I mentioned before I was an FCS 1SG (Forward Support Company First Sergeant) and a GSB SPONCO (Support Ops NCO, E8 working for the SPO, a Major).
So how we would do this. First with wounded. A combat unit, Armor, Infantry, Cav, doesn't have organic medical other than medics and Combat Lifesavers. The medics can perform basic treatment, the CLS can perform lifesaving emergency stuff (life apply a tourniquet or dressing, stop the bleeding). We have a few levels above that.
First, depending on the structure, an FSC with have a small med section. Then we have Charlie Med (C Company in a BSB is always Med Company, B is always Field Maintenance), which is an organic medical company (think Battalion Aid in MASH).
Part of my job as SPO was to plan for medical contingencies. Basically, if you have an Infantry BN in reserve, they won't need the same level/amount of treatment as one that will see heavy combat, so you plan for that. Between allotting the number of 68W (the medics) to positioning of C Med on the battlefield, it all needs planned, checked, verifies and rehearsed. If it's not, people die needlessly.
So, when people die (apply this to equipment that is damaged/destroyed, same principles), you have to recover the bodies. A BSB will have a Mortuary Affairs section that's in charge of recovery teams. Those are the dude that recover the remains on the battlefield. And yes, we recover everyone if at all possible, or as much of them as possible (bombs, IEDs, mortars, arty, tanks, etc can do a number on a human body, imagine a raccoon 3 days after being hit by a car).
Again, the capabilities for MA MUST be planned for. Estimates of casualties, how much ice is needed (for the bodies, good reason for this) the trans needed, body bags, how many on the recovery teams, etc, location of the recovery teams and the collection point (where the remains are brought to) are all planned, checked, Yada Yada.
So,, the Russians did none of that, at all. No med support, no plans for it, no MA, no collection points, nothing. Why? Because the Russian military and national leadership doesn't care. The troops are Cannon fodder.
<When I was in 2/11 CAV in Bad Kissingen, we would joke about being Cannon fodder and a speed bump for the Soviets. But we knew, our support wouldn't just leave us if they could get us, it was just the black humor of knowing what we would face if they came across the border> <looking back, maybe we overestimated...>
<Oh, and everything above, other than the 2/11 stuff, was the abbreviated version of the short story. The short story is about 4 more paragraphs>
So is the author’s point because of the high number of KIA vis-a-vis WIA, their medical/medics are no good? Could it just be that due to technology, those hit by weaponry or in something hit weaponry are just more likely to be blown to bits or charred to ash?
I saw this and wanted to kind of compare, so read through this thread, then come back.
Ok, so, when dealing with KIA/WIA. I mentioned before I was an FCS 1SG (Forward Support Company First Sergeant) and a GSB SPONCO (Support Ops NCO, E8 working for the SPO, a Major).
So how we would do this. First with wounded. A combat unit, Armor, Infantry, Cav, doesn't have organic medical other than medics and Combat Lifesavers. The medics can perform basic treatment, the CLS can perform lifesaving emergency stuff (life apply a tourniquet or dressing, stop the bleeding). We have a few levels above that.
First, depending on the structure, an FSC with have a small med section. Then we have Charlie Med (C Company in a BSB is always Med Company, B is always Field Maintenance), which is an organic medical company (think Battalion Aid in MASH).
Part of my job as SPO was to plan for medical contingencies. Basically, if you have an Infantry BN in reserve, they won't need the same level/amount of treatment as one that will see heavy combat, so you plan for that. Between allotting the number of 68W (the medics) to positioning of C Med on the battlefield, it all needs planned, checked, verifies and rehearsed. If it's not, people die needlessly.
So, when people die (apply this to equipment that is damaged/destroyed, same principles), you have to recover the bodies. A BSB will have a Mortuary Affairs section that's in charge of recovery teams. Those are the dude that recover the remains on the battlefield. And yes, we recover everyone if at all possible, or as much of them as possible (bombs, IEDs, mortars, arty, tanks, etc can do a number on a human body, imagine a raccoon 3 days after being hit by a car).
Again, the capabilities for MA MUST be planned for. Estimates of casualties, how much ice is needed (for the bodies, good reason for this) the trans needed, body bags, how many on the recovery teams, etc, location of the recovery teams and the collection point (where the remains are brought to) are all planned, checked, Yada Yada.
So,, the Russians did none of that, at all. No med support, no plans for it, no MA, no collection points, nothing. Why? Because the Russian military and national leadership doesn't care. The troops are Cannon fodder.
<When I was in 2/11 CAV in Bad Kissingen, we would joke about being Cannon fodder and a speed bump for the Soviets. But we knew, our support wouldn't just leave us if they could get us, it was just the black humor of knowing what we would face if they came across the border> <looking back, maybe we overestimated...>
<Oh, and everything above, other than the 2/11 stuff, was the abbreviated version of the short story. The short story is about 4 more paragraphs>
That 2:3 ratio, combined with the "oligarch military skimming" that implies a force of more like 142,000 actual troops (vs claimed 190k) would put their losses at closer to 44% than the 32.6%
Pushing to nearly half the troops sent in being "inoperative".
Unless I'm misreading those numbers...
Let me guess. The woman who died wasn't a Nazi?
I'm not sure how much time Putin has to drag this out.Totally agree...but.
If this war doesn't come to a conclusion in the next couple months it'll be difficult to keep that unity. Especially if energy costs spike next winter in Europe. There's also the hit worldwide Wheat shortages and price hikes an extended war would cause...
Putin's not above dragging this thing out and hoping the "West" cracks.
Apologize for being the board pessimist...
I think he has more time than Zelensky.I'm not sure how much time Putin has to drag this out.
I’m shocked at how many people don’t have a passport.Day by day waiting for Passport seems futile at this point. Russia is simply a debacle.
I heard a CNN analyst talking about this raid and he said that Ukrainian pilots had been performing low level incursions into the Donbas area for years. This isn't new for them. He did speculate that they had some up to date intel, though.The thing that strikes me with the attack is that it is by helicopter. Not some short range missile, artillery, or even jet. But slow moving helicopters and they weren't shot down. Either they caught the Russians with their pants down, or there must be some advanced jamming of radars and such going on.
I’m shocked at how many people don’t have a passport.
You’re an attorney and never traveled outside the US?
He’s assuming you have money to travel.Dude, I let it expire. Being an attorney does not require traveling outside of country. You think I can just practice law overseas? I'm numb to your dumb.
Just thinking most attorneys ( good ones) like finer things and travel.Dude, I let it expire. Being an attorney does not require traveling outside of country. You think I can just practice law overseas? I'm numb to your dumb.
This is in Virginia, but coincidentally on the way home today I saw an AH-1Z Viper, with weapon pods, flying south as I was driving north on capital circle. He was under 1000’. But I’m not sure where he would have been coming from around here.If anyone is wondering, this is a pretty good thread on the type of training troops go through. These are Marines doing an Infantry Leader Course (not sure if Officer or NCO). The tactics we (Army) do is similar, but a bit different mainly because of how our units are set up compared to USMC.
Not posting the entire thing, but the first few...now compare with video we've seen from Russia
Just thinking most attorneys ( good ones) like finer things and travel.
Just sayin.
Might have answered my own question.
What if my "finer things" is listening to music while doing yardwork? To each their own
My attorney is former military and has never mentioned a fear of being a hostage. Of course his travels are italy, greece, germany, scotland, etc.F off. You know why I don't travel overseas? BC I'm former military, and I know that I could be held as a spy "hostage". Sometime in the next few years, I plan on going to Norway,
"finer things" - about as douchiest statement I've seen on here in a while. What if my "finer things" is listening to music while doing yardwork? To each their own
Way back in this thread I posted a link to an article about this. Turns out we were slowing down production, and ramping up has proven to be tough. One thing is the war heads are made right here in Iowa. It’s a highly skilled job, and staffing at the munitions plant down by Burlington was allowed to wane. Plus you have to have all the correct molds ready to go… Quality control procedures and staff in place… Then Raytheon needs to have people ready to assemble all the components, assuming they are getting all their components swiftly. Bottom line we have enough, and significant stockpiles, but as usage increases our stockpile will rapidly decrease.How long does it take to build the javelins and such? Seems like Raytheon/Boeing/the MIC could crank this shit out pretty quickly.
I saw that clip somewhere else where vets described how obvious mines like that could be booby trapped.