It’s nice to see ingenuity at work, but every nation that isn’t sending Ukraine weapons should be ashamed of themselves after seeing footage like that.
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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In times of war fever even the hint of objectivity is considered treason in some minds.
It’s dumb, but after awhile you’ll recognize the handles on here that respond that way.
They’re not interested in discussion, so I’d suggest just ignoring them.
Can we acknowledge we don’t think we have a right to subjugate Mexico, but we wouldn’t let our security be threatened allowing foreign powers to turn Mexico into a base for weapons that could only be intended for us?
Is it truly unreasonable to think an eastern deployed NATO (meaning really the US and our amazing capabilities) could find a ‘duty’ to intervene if a part of Russia tried to break away and was being crushed?
NATO has a history of intervening in conflicts to which no member was originally a party. That’s just facts. We can argue and even agree on justification, but it is reality. To dismiss it as a genuine national security concern is deadly folly.
This sounds like a lot of our sensitive equipment with parts that come from China.
“Go f–k yourself,” “Go f–k yourself again” and “Go f–k yourself back in Russia,” the translated signs said.
I don’t know what to really believe anymore. I’m not saying Ukraine is lying but we are getting more of a highlight tape than a complete representation of what is going on. Hope the retreat was a “retreat” and actually a trap.
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For your analogy to work we would have to have a (recent) history of invading and claiming the land of nearby neighbors like Mexico thus causing the world to arm them in defense. Outside the Disneyfication of Cancun we have gone to great lengths in exactly the opposite direction spending a fortune trying to prevent them from coming here. Russia is the clear aggressor in the region (Georgia and Ukraine 2x) and we are helping the defense of a sovereign nation.
How is this not obvious?
In my imagination, Ukraine armor killing teams hid in the ruins with infantry support, then sprung up and started laying waste to the bad guys. It was probably some sort of attempt to get them into close combat in an urban area where Ukraine seems to be very good.
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No, you are parroting Russian propaganda verbatim and are either 1. Too dumb to realize it or 2. Knowingly spreading it.
Hence why no one is taking you seriously and never will.
June 2, 6:15pm ET
Russian forces continued to make incremental, grinding, and costly progress in eastern Ukraine on June 2. Russian troops continued operations to capture Severodonetsk and further operations to capture Lysychansk. Russian military leadership will likely use the capture of these two cities to claim they have “liberated” all of Luhansk Oblast before turning to Donetsk Oblast but Russian forces are unlikely to have the forces necessary to take substantial territory in Donetsk Oblast after suffering further losses around Severodonetsk. Russian forces are evidently limited by terrain in the Donbas and will continue to face challenges crossing the Siverskyi Donets River to complete the encirclement of Severodonetsk-Lysychansk and make further advances westward of Lyman towards Slovyansk via Raihorodok.[1]
Russian military leadership continues to experience complications with sufficient force generation and maintaining the morale of mobilized personnel. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that the Donetsk People’s Republic’s (DNR) 1st Army Corps, under Russia’s 8th Combined Arms Army, is conducting forced mobilization in occupied areas of Donetsk Oblast.[2] Russian forced mobilization is highly unlikely to generate meaningful combat power and will exacerbate low morale and poor discipline in Russian and proxy units. The 113th Regiment of the DNR posted a video appeal to Russian President Vladimir Putin on June 2 wherein forcibly-mobilized soldiers complain they have spent the entire war on the frontline in Kherson without food or medicine, and that mobilization committees did not conduct requisite medical screenings and admitted individuals whose medical conditions should have disqualified them from service.[3] Ukraine’s Main Intelligence Directorate additionally released an intercepted phone conversation wherein DNR soldiers similarly complained that physically unfit individuals were forced into service and that mobilized units are experiencing mass drunkenness and general disorder.[4] Russian forces are additionally struggling to successfully rotate servicemen in and out of combat. Spokesperson for the Odesa Military Administration Maksym Marchenko stated that 30 to 40% of Russian personnel that rotated out of Ukraine refused to return, forcing Russian commanders to send unprepared and unmotivated units back into combat.[5] This is consistent with complaints made by DNR servicemen that rotation practices are contributing to poor morale and dissatisfaction within units that have been forcibly mobilized.[6]
Russian occupation authorities continue to face challenges establishing permanent societal control in newly occupied Ukrainian territories. The Ukrainian Resistance Center reported that Russian occupational administrations “are [only] created on paper” and are incapable of controlling local populations, enforcing the use of the Russian ruble, or conducting bureaucratic processes.[7] The Ukrainian Resistance Center noted that Ukrainian civilians welcome partisan activity that systematically sabotages Russian occupation rule.
Key Takeaways
- Russian operations to advance on Slovyansk from the southeast of Izyum and west of Lyman continue to make little progress and are unlikely to do so in the coming days, as Russian forces continue to prioritize Severodonetsk at the expense of other axes of advance.
- Russian forces continued assaults against Severodonetsk and Lysychansk in order to claim full control of Luhansk Oblast.
- Russian forces made incremental advances around Avdiivka.
- Ukrainian counteroffensives in northwestern Kherson Oblast pushed Russian forces to the eastern bank of the Inhulets River and will likely continue to disrupt Russian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) along the T2207 highway.
- The Kremlin continued to pursue inconsistent occupational measures in southern Ukraine, indicating both widespread Ukrainian resistance and likely Kremlin indecision on how to integrate occupied territory.
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Russian forces continued to make incremental, grinding, and costly progress in eastern Ukraine on June 2. Russian troops continued operations to capture Severodonetsk and further operations to capture Lysychansk. Russian military leadership will likely
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Another video of the explosion that may have been sabotage against the Russians.
I would believe the army that repelled the Russian advance in the north and central Ukraine. The Ukrainian army did this without the western and nato weapons that they now have.
We all knew new once they started the eastern offensive it would be more difficult and prolonged fighting. The Russians were already dug in and have occupied the east for years. The longer this goes on, the Ukrainians will start to destroy the Russians and push them back. Russia isn’t going to last a prolonged offensive from Ukraine as the availability of supplies and competent soldiers become harder to move to the front.
I believe this is why you will see Putin sympathizers start pushing for an agreement to stop the Ukrainian advance but hopefully the Ukraine is going to stop at nothing short of total Russian withdrawal from Ukraine as it was pre 2014.
JMO.
Don't worry Russia-this is probably just more German BS.
Another view of the Moscow fire.
"Lieutenant John McClane's "Ducats" cigarettes are back at it.... a business center in #Moscow burning like Troy....."
Another view of the Moscow fire.
"Lieutenant John McClane's "Ducats" cigarettes are back at it.... a business center in #Moscow burning like Troy....."
Donbas has one of the world's largest natural gas fields. This is 100% about Russia, depending almost entirely on energy exports, protecting its monopoly supply Europe with energy.
Very interesting...if true. The Swiss wouldn't allow APCs to be transferred earlier this week!
Russia produces nearly 25% of the world's natural gas. Ukraine produces .6%. It hardly makes a dent, still not worth it just for the Donbas but this is speculation on each of our parts. I think it's at best a secondary consideration.
You can't compare anything that happened in the USSR to modern day Russia, since 1991. Georgia was over in two weeks with a peace agreement. Most of the people in Crimea are Russians, speak Russian and/or identify as Russians. It's a territorial dispute to be sure, but the opinions of the people that live there should be considered.
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That’s because the indigenous people of the Crimea were forcibly relocated several times, including under the Soviet regime. Much like what’s happening now in the eastern Ukraine. Do you not get that?
Crimea was either part of Russia or the USSR from 1783 to 1991. Most of the Crimeans have been gone for like 100 years. What is your stance on Native Americans in the US?
Edit: Here's an ethnic composition by year. There were more Russians than Crimean Tatars since at least the 1920's (2 to 1 Russians to Tatars in 1923). The data is a little sparse before that.
Ethnic Composition of Crimea
iccrimea.org
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Deportation of the Crimean Tatars - Wikipedia
Except they will be a vital corridor for pipelines that cut out the Russians from other casian nations. Shill.
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