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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

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It was never EVER about "NATO Expansion"

Whoever the idiot was posting about "when has Putin bluffed", here you go:

In the final run-up to the official application, Russia had intensified its threats toward Finland and Sweden. On May 14, Finland’s President Sauli Niinistö called Putin to inform him that Finland was about to apply for NATO membership due to the deteriorated security situation since Russia started its war of aggression against Ukraine—implying that Russia’s own actions had prompted this course.
The move paid off. A few days later, both Putin and Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov made statements claiming that Finland and Sweden’s membership in NATO membership would not make much difference from Russia’s perspective since both countries were already working closely with NATO. Since the application, Russia has not actively tried to intimidate either applicant country and no expected hybrid scenarios—such as violations of Finnish air space, “deliberate accidents”, or cyberattacks—have occurred so far.
After NATO invited Finland and Sweden to join the alliance at the Madrid summit on June 29, Putin stated that their decision to join the alliance is a domestic matter and not a problem for Russia, but added that relations between the countries would become more tense. However, instead of a troop build-up at its border with Finland, Russia reportedly moved equipment away from a military base near Finland, signaling a shift of troops into Ukraine. The Alakurtti military base is a motorized infantry brigade specialized in Arctic warfare. The move indicates that Finland is a very low priority for Russia compared to Ukraine, NATO membership notwithstanding.
 
It was never EVER about "NATO Expansion"

Whoever the idiot was posting about "when has Putin bluffed", here you go:

In the final run-up to the official application, Russia had intensified its threats toward Finland and Sweden. On May 14, Finland’s President Sauli Niinistö called Putin to inform him that Finland was about to apply for NATO membership due to the deteriorated security situation since Russia started its war of aggression against Ukraine—implying that Russia’s own actions had prompted this course.
The move paid off. A few days later, both Putin and Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov made statements claiming that Finland and Sweden’s membership in NATO membership would not make much difference from Russia’s perspective since both countries were already working closely with NATO. Since the application, Russia has not actively tried to intimidate either applicant country and no expected hybrid scenarios—such as violations of Finnish air space, “deliberate accidents”, or cyberattacks—have occurred so far.
After NATO invited Finland and Sweden to join the alliance at the Madrid summit on June 29, Putin stated that their decision to join the alliance is a domestic matter and not a problem for Russia, but added that relations between the countries would become more tense. However, instead of a troop build-up at its border with Finland, Russia reportedly moved equipment away from a military base near Finland, signaling a shift of troops into Ukraine. The Alakurtti military base is a motorized infantry brigade specialized in Arctic warfare. The move indicates that Finland is a very low priority for Russia compared to Ukraine, NATO membership notwithstanding.
This means nothing. Ukraine is not Sweden or Finland so it's an apples to oranges comparison. None of those countries were formerly part of Russia and no Russians live there. The Baltic states are non-Russian and/or anti-Russian. Nothing like eastern Ukraine.

Most recently in September 2021 the Kremlin said Ukraine in Nato was a redline. Ukraine in Nato. This was in response to the White House's joint strategic partnership with Ukraine, also in September, encouraging them to apply to Nato. Then Washington sent a final rejection to Russia in December after negoiations. Bottomline, there were opportunities to avoid this war. Nato is not worth it.

 
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Your equivalency is only valid under an assumption that never materialized
I have asked the question here several times, and no one ever says they think JFK was bluffing.
Not even once. Latest example were billanole's deflections in this thread.

I understand that because Khrushchev decided to not escalate the situation by continuing to build bases and import offensive weapons into Cuba after the U.S. made it clear that meant war, that we will never "know" with certainty what would have followed.
But there are only two possibilities.
JFK was bluffing and he'd let the Soviets build bases in Cuba and put weapons there to threaten us, or he'd go to war.

Which do you think it was?

And regardless of which you think it was, do you think JFK had any moral justification in dictating to sovereign Cuba who they could form a military alliance with and host weapons from?
 
I have asked the question here several times, and no one ever says they think JFK was bluffing.
Not even once. Latest example were billanole's deflections in this thread.

I understand that because Khrushchev decided to not escalate the situation by continuing to build bases and import offensive weapons into Cuba after the U.S. made it clear that meant war, that we will never "know" with certainty what would have followed.
But there are only two possibilities.
JFK was bluffing and he'd let the Soviets build bases in Cuba and put weapons there to threaten us, or he'd go to war.

Which do you think it was?

And regardless of which you think it was, do you think JFK had any moral justification in dictating to sovereign Cuba who they could form a military alliance with and host weapons from?
JFK wasn't bluffing and Krushchev was correct not to find out. It wasn't worth it.
 
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A part of Sweden from the 12th century until 1809, Finland was then a Russian grand duchy until, following the Russian Revolution, the Finns declared independence on December 6, 1917.

Glitchy Bot here.
*recent history.
 
I look forward to the day that the many former republics that comprise the "Russian Federation" become free of Moscow.

 
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Comment appears to be reference to Russian fleet moving there from Crimean port.
Looks like Russian phosphorous (?) bomb now working against them.

 
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Lost 30% of their entire Russian land army in a mere 4.5 months against a non NATO country. Nice job, Vlad.

It makes it all the more hilarious when they threaten other NATO countries still. Everyone is laughing at them.
Well, not our board Neville Chamberlain. He remains very scairt.
 
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