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This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

Someone blow this MFer up too!

Lavrov during happier times at Russia's former western hemisphere head quarters.

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One of the very few things I agreed with that ex-President on. Too many countries were not pulling their own weight.





"While many NATO member states have duly answered Ukraine's call to supply it with heavy weaponry, for other countries President Zelensky's plight has offered a stark realisation what decades of defence cuts have come to. For no country is this true more than for Belgium, which in March 2022 had to come to the painful conclusion that it had no heavy weaponry to send from its own stocks. This staggering feat is the result of years of chronic underfunding that had eroded the Belgian Army to the point it could not even pay to operate man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS) any longer, leaving an entire army without any form of ground-based air defences. Although Belgium has since announced additional investments into its military, it will take years for these investments to actually have effect.

Belgium's free-riding approach to the security of other NATO member states and of itself is perhaps best illustrated by the fact that in 2014 Belgian Prime Minister Di Rupo declared his country's intention to commit 2% of its GDP to defence spending by 2024, only for Prime Minister De Croo to do the same in 2022, but with the date to achieve this pushed back by eleven years to 2035. [1] Even after rising slightly in recent years, Belgium's budget remains one of the lowest in NATO, just barely cresting 1% of GDP for the first time in years in 2020 and 2021. [2] An early conclusion to the Russo-Ukrainian War, though unfortunately unlikely to occur at this point in time, would likely serve as the perfect excuse for a future Belgian government to keep the country's defence budget well below 2% of its GDP."
 
What's left in their bag of tricks other than WMD? They have used everything else ranging from white phosphorus, cluster bombs in civilian centers, and indiscriminate shelling, to complete annihilation of civilian centers, genocide, and torture.
My guess is something Soviet era designed to wreck a whole city block, or, lots of those type of things at once. Kind of like the flurry at the 4th of July fireworks show. They unload everything they can at once.
 
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I think I spent about an hour last night looking at Crimea on Google Earth. Sevastopol is ringed with military bases. Such juicy targets. And, when you get down to it, if the Ukrainians could make one concerted push against a weakening Russia they could slice all the way down to cut Crimea off. There is a reason the Russians seem to be throwing so much into reinforcing that front. They are teetering on collapse.
 
My guess is something Soviet era designed to wreck a whole city block, or, lots of those type of things at once. Kind of like the flurry at the 4th of July fireworks show. They unload everything they can at once.
i don't really think they've been saving those.
 
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I guess Lavrov thought the ‘reset’ button was for Moscow control of Crimea.
Good times!

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Oh my gosh I missed this. Please send me the link to article on President Hillary Clinton hosting him and the Russian ambassador at White House with no press in the room. Also bonus links for one on one meetings with Putin President Hillary had with nobody else in room but interpreter. Thanks. This should be scintillating.
 
I think I spent about an hour last night looking at Crimea on Google Earth. Sevastopol is ringed with military bases. Such juicy targets. And, when you get down to it, if the Ukrainians could make one concerted push against a weakening Russia they could slice all the way down to cut Crimea off. There is a reason the Russians seem to be throwing so much into reinforcing that front. They are teetering on collapse.
Different situations of course but now would be the time for the Ukranian Patton to emerge. As you say, cut the Crimea off from reinforcements from the East then try to take the coastlines or at least isolate the harbors and cut them off from any help in the in the South. (Blow the beautiful bridge too of course. ) Ukraine could move their anti-ship missiles down there to stop Russia from using shipping to supply, reinforce or retreat. Once most of the Russian military is trapped in Crimea the war would be over.
(You can see why I am not a famous strategist:)
 
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Oh my gosh I missed this. Please send me the link to article on President Hillary Clinton hosting him and the Russian ambassador at White House with no press in the room. Also bonus links for one on one meetings with Putin President Hillary had with nobody else in room but interpreter. Thanks. This should be scintillating.

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“Noleclone is on to us!”

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“Noleclone is on to us!”

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LOL. That is exact same. Check out this article using that 10 year old picture when Ukraine was just an apple in his eye.


Nice try, natty light.
 
LOL. That is exact same. Check out this article using that 10 year old picture when Ukraine was just an apple in his eye.
Yeah, Russia wasn’t making a move on Crimea until the coup.
I still can’t decide if the neocons expected there would be no Russian response (which is really ignorant in light of history we’ve covered several times), or if they expected the Russian response and determined to provoke it.
I’m more and more inclined to believe it was the latter, not naïveté, which led the neocons in Obama’s cabinet to push the coup, and in Biden’s to further push NATO expansion.

Tens of thousands are dead, but we got him to fire the first shot, so it’s a win-win for the neocons.
 
Yeah, Russia wasn’t making a move on Crimea until the coup.
I still can’t decide if the neocons expected there would be no Russian response (which is really ignorant in light of history we’ve covered several times), or if they expected the Russian response and determined to provoke it.
I’m more and more inclined to believe it was the latter, not naïveté, which led the neocons in Obama’s cabinet to push the coup, and in Biden’s to further push NATO expansion.

Tens of thousands are dead, but we got him to fire the first shot, so it’s a win-win for the neocons.
LOL. Doing such a great job you got at DogBoyRy like. Don't ever change Natty Light.
 
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Different situations of course but now would be the time for the Ukranian Patton to emerge. As you say, cut the Crimea off from reinforcements from the East then try to take the coastlines or at least isolate the harbors and cut them off from any help in the in the South. (Blow the beautiful bridge too of course. ) Ukraine could move their anti-ship missiles down there to stop Russia from using shipping to supply, reinforce or retreat. Once most of the Russian military is trapped in Crimea the war would be over.
(You can see why I am not a famous strategist:)
I mean I'm sure they want to do that, but without a massive air force that's going to be a hard task to do quickly. There only real option right now is to continue to take out Russia's artillery (And that's the one thing they have a lot of), try to cut off their supply lines so they can't just easily resupply it everytime it gets blown up, and continue to try to take out their command structure so that chaos begins to sew within their ranks.

Once the supply lines are cut off and the ammo is removed, then they can probably easily move in and take the next area. But in doing so the Russians are just going to resupply a line behind that. So then they'll have to play the same game until Russia either gives up, turns on itself, or until they get some real air support. If they had an actual air force this could be ended pretty quickly with some repeated bombing runs of major infrastructure areas.
 
WASHINGTON (AP) — As Russia’s war on Ukraine drags on, U.S. security assistance is shifting to a longer-term campaign that will likely keep more American military troops in Europe into the future, including imminent plans to announce an additional roughly $3 billion in aid to train and equip Ukrainian forces to fight for years to come, U.S. officials said.

U.S. officials told The Associated Press that the package is expected to be announced Wednesday, the day the war hits the six-month mark and Ukraine celebrates its independence day. The money will fund contracts for drones, weapons and other equipment that may not see the battlefront for a year or two, they said.

The total of the aid package — which is being provided under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative — could change overnight, but not likely by much. Several officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the aid before its public release.

https://apnews.com/article/us-ukraine-3-billion-dollar-aid-package-363cdbeb670626eb410d72e81bd8068c
 
When Winter sets in and Russia curtails gas shipments everything will start to unravel,.. Ukraine needs to capture as much territory as possible as soon as they can.
That sword cuts both ways due to their already hardening economy and depleted military. They need that money. They are not getting the same money elsewhere and it is logistically harder.
 
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That sword cuts both ways due to their already hardening economy and depleted military. They need that money. They are not getting the same money elsewhere and it is logistically harder.

Putin won't care,.. His country has a long history of being able to internalize tremendous amounts of pain simply to be able to spit in an opponents face,.. Russian lives are cheap.
 
Putin won't care,.. His country has a long history of being able to internalize tremendous amounts of pain simply to be able to spit in an opponents face,.. Russian lives are cheap.
Not completely true. Putin won't care as long as it only harms those outside of Moscow. As long as he can keep those inside Moscow insulated from the pain, then he thinks he'll be fine. But once those inside Moscow start to feel the pinch, then it will become real for him. Russia seems to have oriented itself a lot like the Hunger Cities. There's one city where the citizens welfare matters, and the rest (As long as the few elites who rule them are happy) who live in the other areas can be damned.
 
Hope the fears of what Russia will do for Ukraine's Independence Day tomorrow are exaggerated.
But from the banning of gatherings and the US warning to our citizens to get out, it sounds like intelligence agencies expect something terrible.
 
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"The German government will provide more ammunition, anti-drone devices and armored recovery vehicles to Ukraine in the coming weeks as part of a fresh package announced by the German leader on Tuesday. Scholz spoke to a conference in Kyiv along with other world leaders via video link."

In addition to the first IRIS-T unit, Germany will now send three additional units of the highly effective weapon system over the next year, according to one of the officials. The additional equipment has yet to be assembled -- so new that the Germany military doesn’t yet have it in its own arsenal, the official said."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ide-ukraine-with-more-than-500-million-in-aid
 
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LOL. That is exact same. Check out this article using that 10 year old picture when Ukraine was just an apple in his eye.


Nice try, natty light.
Yep... hatred of Hillary was the primary reason Putin helped Turd win in 2016.

I thought everyone knew that?

Apparently not. :oops:
 
Not completely true. Putin won't care as long as it only harms those outside of Moscow. As long as he can keep those inside Moscow insulated from the pain, then he thinks he'll be fine. But once those inside Moscow start to feel the pinch, then it will become real for him. Russia seems to have oriented itself a lot like the Hunger Cities. There's one city where the citizens welfare matters, and the rest (As long as the few elites who rule them are happy) who live in the other areas can be damned.
This is why visa bans and deporting Moscovites back to Russia WILL leave a mark.

And ejecting oligarchs and their families back to Russia will do the same. Hit them where it hurts.
 
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