This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...

[Tenacious E]

When the rashists are back to pre 2014 borders is the correct answer.

I have him on ignore. This is such a false narrative that somehow other countries have to provide Russia with an "offramp." There is an offramp - it's called getting the f*ck out of Ukraine. No one is forcing them to be there. All Ukraine wants is for them to leave.

 

[h-hawk]

 

[Bonerfarts]

Probably a little too dumbed down for this crowd, but I thought this was a fun little recap of what's been happening for us war newbs.

 

[kc78]

Here's the peace deal I'd offer Russia. You have two weeks to get all of your troops out of all of Ukraine including recently annexed areas and Crimea. Ukraine takes uncontested ownership and is granted access to NATO. You either hand over Putin or your Nuclear weapons and maybe we'll consider letting you back into relations with the rest of the world.

Or we can kill another 50 thousand troops and keep you isolated until you become the next North Korea.

Peace and chance for a future are up to you.

 

[h-hawk]

It does seem like Putin may be sowing the seeds of revolution in Russia-WTF?

 

[h-hawk]

 

[GES4]

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I just jumped into this thread to say:

+2

 

[h-hawk]

 

[h-hawk]

 

[SSG T]

This is a hell of a quote..."...Now we are sort of becoming a mechanized battalion"

CAB (Combined Arms Batt) might be more fitting, but either way, it's great.

 

[win4jj]

Here's the peace deal I'd offer Russia. You have two weeks to get all of your troops out of all of Ukraine including recently annexed areas and Crimea. Ukraine takes uncontested ownership and is granted access to NATO. You either hand over Putin or your Nuclear weapons and maybe we'll consider letting you back into relations with the rest of the world.

Or we can kill another 50 thousand troops and keep you isolated until you become the next North Korea.

Peace and chance for a future are up to you.

This has been my thought since February 25th. Eff Russia.

 

[h-hawk]

 

[seminole97]

Here's the peace deal I'd offer Russia. You have two weeks to get all of your troops out of all of Ukraine including recently annexed areas and Crimea. Ukraine takes uncontested ownership and is granted access to NATO. You either hand over Putin or your Nuclear weapons and maybe we'll consider letting you back into relations with the rest of the world.

Or we can kill another 50 thousand troops and keep you isolated until you become the next North Korea.

Peace and chance for a future are up to you.

How many Ukrainians you are willing to see die is also part of the calculus.

 

[h-hawk]

 

[Tenacious E]

"237 projectiles in 40 minutes": Ukraine's Defence Intelligence intercepts conversation about Ukrainian counteroffensive in the south

"UKRAINSKA PRAVDA" - WEDNESDAY, 5 OCTOBER 2022, 12:59 Ukrainian intelligence has posted an intercepted phone call in which a Russian occupier is telling his brother in Russia about the Ukrainian counteroffensive in Kherson Oblast.

www.yahoo.com

 

[h-hawk]

FWIW


"The announced five more #HIMARS were already on their way from #Bremerhaven directly to #Ukraine today! "
@DenysDavydov2

 

[h-hawk]

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

So is the Biden administration setting up talks in Geneva to help broker a peace deal?

This isn’t hard. Russia leaves Ukraine, there is peace. They have zero intention of doing that. What is there to discuss?

 

[Tenacious E]

FWIW


"The announced five more #HIMARS were already on their way from #Bremerhaven directly to #Ukraine today! "
@DenysDavydov2

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It’s amazing the damage done with the few we have already given them. Keep ‘em coming!

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

They don’t seem pleased to be fighting for mother ruSSia.

 

[SSG T]

How many Ukrainians you are willing to see die is also part of the calculus.

Russia is only killing huge numbers of Ukrainians by using nukes. They use nukes, it's Putin's, and Russia's, death sentence.

That doesn't mean Putin won't use them. However, there is zero chance Putin makes a deal for anything less than keeping what he already has. Anything less is admitting defeat at home, which he absolutely won't do.

 

[seminole97]

They don’t seem pleased to be fighting for mother ruSSia.

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[h-hawk]

 

[h-hawk]

 

[Phenomenally Frantastic]

Here's the peace deal I'd offer Russia. You have two weeks to get all of your troops out of all of Ukraine including recently annexed areas and Crimea. Ukraine takes uncontested ownership and is granted access to NATO. You either hand over Putin or your Nuclear weapons and maybe we'll consider letting you back into relations with the rest of the world.

Or we can kill another 50 thousand troops and keep you isolated until you become the next North Korea.

Peace and chance for a future are up to you.

I still say we crowd source a bounty on Putin’s head. When it blows past $50,000,000 I gather some Russians near Putin would give it more than a passing thought.

 

[torbee]

They don’t seem pleased to be fighting for mother ruSSia.

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Well oiled fighting force right there 😂

 

[h-hawk]

This sounds intriguing?

 

[St. Louis Hawk]

Here's the peace deal I'd offer Russia. You have two weeks to get all of your troops out of all of Ukraine including recently annexed areas and Crimea. Ukraine takes uncontested ownership and is granted access to NATO. You either hand over Putin or your Nuclear weapons and maybe we'll consider letting you back into relations with the rest of the world.

Or we can kill another 50 thousand troops and keep you isolated until you become the next North Korea.

Peace and chance for a future are up to you.

Basically, something like this. Just replace Scotland with Ukraine.

 

[FlickShagwell]

You fell for some fake news.

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Derp. And the constant screaming, people buried alive, gas mask filled with smoke…

But congrats on Russia looking half a percent less terrible.

 

[notlongago]

Derp. And the constant screaming, people buried alive, gas mask filled with smoke…

But congrats on Russia looking half a percent less terrible.

It does illustrate how quick people here are to believe anything they want to believe and disregard anything they don't regardless of validity. This thread would benefit greatly from a bit of verification before posting.

 

[FlickShagwell]

You fell for some fake news.

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@notlongago

 

[MitchLL]

So is the Biden administration setting up talks in Geneva to help broker a peace deal?

I hope not.

There's more Russians that need to be exterminated. Gotta hit 100,000 by New Years Day.

 

[seminole97]

Derp. And the constant screaming, people buried alive, gas mask filled with smoke….

I don’t question there have been and will be atrocities in this war.
I also don’t unquestionably accept claims of atrocities in this war.
Propaganda is as much a part of modern war as bloodshed. Some of it works on mere omission. How much air time did you see devoted to Human Rights Watch’s claims of torture conducted under Saudi direction in Yemen?

Probably not as much as the fist bump.

 

[FlickShagwell]

Propaganda is as much a part of modern war as bloodshed. Some of it works on mere omission. How much air time did you see devoted to Human Rights Watch’s claims of torture conducted under Saudi direction in Yemen?

Probably not as much as the fist bump.

Things so ridiculously specific that only Nat Algren would possibly say them. Took us 912 pages, but we found him.

 

[seminole97]

Things so ridiculously specific that only Nat Algren would possibly say them. Took us 912 pages, but we found him.

LOL

Are you so detached from the world at large you think anyone else that is aware of the atrocities in that war can only be one person?

Take a few minutes and read a piece like this to learn more than CNN, etc. will ever offer you for insight on the effect of the neocon's policies abroad in our name.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/01/ibrahim-mothana-yemen-drones-obama

 

[noleclone2]

Natty Light gets a bit squirrelly when Russia gets humiliated.

 

[FlickShagwell]

Natty Light gets a bit squirrelly when Russia gets humiliated.

Not like we haven’t seen it before!

 

[binsfeldcyhawk2]

OPEC sucks…

Inside the White House's failed effort to dissuade OPEC from cutting oil production to avoid a 'total disaster'

The Biden administration launched a full-scale pressure campaign in a last-ditch effort to dissuade Middle Eastern allies from dramatically cutting oil production, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

amp.cnn.com

 

[Madman_1]

 

[notlongago]

OPEC sucks…

Inside the White House's failed effort to dissuade OPEC from cutting oil production to avoid a 'total disaster'

The Biden administration launched a full-scale pressure campaign in a last-ditch effort to dissuade Middle Eastern allies from dramatically cutting oil production, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

amp.cnn.com

Sounds like a great opportunity to promote and incentivize domestic production...