This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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Great maps, and older eye friendly. Thanks!Big Map
When looking at the regional maps I have a hard time figuring exactly where the Ukrainians are and how far they have to go...
Gains made but a long way to go....hopefully the advances keep accelerating before winter really hits. If history is a guide there will be a pause.
BBC has a big map...second one down in the link...couldn't save the image. Still a long way to go.
Ukraine in maps: Tracking the war with Russia
As Russian forces make slow progress in eastern Ukraine, Ukraine's military stages a surprise cross-border attack.www.bbc.com
I've been struggling at times with Google Earth, and other maps. What is clear is that although the Ukrainians have made solid advances, there is a lot of ground to recover. The one thing I have never been able to find is good information on how many Russian soldiers, mercenaries, and separatists are in Ukraine? Clearly a lot of the territory controlled by Russia is poorly defended. The bulk of the fighting is along the main axis of Ukrainian attack, and clumped up near Kherson and the areas approaching Crimea. Will we see uprisings in the occupied areas? Just who is left there? We still don't know how many people were moved out by the the Russians.
F Russia. I am not scared about Nukes. I said this back in February. They don't have the capacity.
There is not a more appropriate juxtaposition. Ukraine carries out 7 months of pinpoint attacks against Russian leadership, supply depos, and military units. Russian carries out 7 months of missile/artillery attacks on Ukrainian civilians and civilian infrastructure.
Yea, trade a reliance on the middle East for one on China. Your 15 year timeline for solar cars is cute, but the industry can't even figure out battery yet.
They have been threatening everyone with nukes since the 1950’s. It is an empty threat and a scare tactic. Just belligerence from evil men.
Yes, this exactly. Be a leader in oil as a stop gap until we have new solutions ready. It's a win/win
If you're not willing to answer harshly then nothing stops Russia from doing it. Russia would be completely ok in losing the base that launches a nuclear strike if that's all that happens. To me you do much of everything short of invading Russia and launching your own nuclear arsenal (Depending on the type of Russian attack). I think the threat needs to be there for Putin that the minute anything nuclear happens, the US enters the war and destroys every aspect of Russias army in Ukraine/Crimea and also utterly destroys the entire black sea fleet. If they want to push it further, we're ready to completely level Moscow.
Just like with the German bombing of London in WWII allowing the British military time to recover and strengthen following Dunkirk, the focus on civilian targets probably helped the Ukrainian military survive the initial invasion until Western weapons helped them start turning the tide. Focusing on civilian targets is horribly sad and morally corrupt, but it’s also strategically dumb.
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2M a day extra from what we produce now? That’d take a good while to ramp up
Even Putin's top supporters recognize that Russia has a big problem.
Take the chairman of the Russian parliament's defense committee, Andrey Kartapolov. A retired top-ranking military officer who previously commanded the Western Military District (which has operational responsibility for areas of Ukraine outside of Crimea), Kartapolov was parachuted into the Duma last September as a reward for his loyalty. But Kartapolov offered no spin on Wednesday. "We need to stop lying," he said on a prime-time state TV show. Condemning the defense ministry's rose-tinted reporting on the war in Ukraine, Kartapolov explained that the country's credibility was being undermined by the public's awareness of major losses. "The people know, our people are not stupid," he said. This is a marked change from Kartapolov's rhetoric in April, when he proclaimed that the war would lead to a majestic shift in "world order."
Take the chairman of the Russian parliament's defense committee, Andrey Kartapolov. A retired top-ranking military officer who previously commanded the Western Military District (which has operational responsibility for areas of Ukraine outside of Crimea), Kartapolov was parachuted into the Duma last September as a reward for his loyalty. But Kartapolov offered no spin on Wednesday. "We need to stop lying," he said on a prime-time state TV show. Condemning the defense ministry's rose-tinted reporting on the war in Ukraine, Kartapolov explained that the country's credibility was being undermined by the public's awareness of major losses. "The people know, our people are not stupid," he said. This is a marked change from Kartapolov's rhetoric in April, when he proclaimed that the war would lead to a majestic shift in "world order."
I have read that at this point, that is about all they can do. Their Iranian kamikaze drones are incapable of hitting moving targets, as they are only GPS guided. So unless there is a cache of ammo/tanks/etc that is stationary, they pretty much can only hit fixed targets, which is typically civilian infrastructure. Given Russia's purported military stature pre-war, it is hard to decide whether these latest bombings are more pathetic or evil.
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But where would we be if we had started/continued for the past 2-4 years?
SEMBACH, Germany — The Army activated a new artillery brigade in Germany on Thursday that is focused on protecting U.S. and allied forces from potential aerial threats.
The 52nd Air Defense Artillery Brigade adds to the expanded American military presence in Europe, which was sparked by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February and concerns of a potential spillover into NATO territory.
“It’s certainly a deterrent knowing there’s additional air defense forces activating in Europe because it’s in our enemy’s calculus when they’re planning their next moves,” Col. Bruce Bredlow, the brigade’s commander, told Stars and Stripes at a ceremony at the Army base in the southwestern German village of Sembach.
President Joe Biden announced the new brigade in June at a NATO summit in Spain, where the war in Ukraine topped the agenda. But planning for the unit began several years before the conflict, when military leaders identified gaps in U.S. air defense capabilities in Europe, Bredlow said.
The U.S. has bolstered air, land, maritime, cyber and space capabilities in Europe in response to the Ukraine crises and now has more than 100,000 service members deployed to the Continent, the largest number in nearly two decades and up from about 63,000 in 2013.
The 52nd Air Defense Artillery Brigade adds to the expanded American military presence in Europe, which was sparked by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February and concerns of a potential spillover into NATO territory.
“It’s certainly a deterrent knowing there’s additional air defense forces activating in Europe because it’s in our enemy’s calculus when they’re planning their next moves,” Col. Bruce Bredlow, the brigade’s commander, told Stars and Stripes at a ceremony at the Army base in the southwestern German village of Sembach.
President Joe Biden announced the new brigade in June at a NATO summit in Spain, where the war in Ukraine topped the agenda. But planning for the unit began several years before the conflict, when military leaders identified gaps in U.S. air defense capabilities in Europe, Bredlow said.
The U.S. has bolstered air, land, maritime, cyber and space capabilities in Europe in response to the Ukraine crises and now has more than 100,000 service members deployed to the Continent, the largest number in nearly two decades and up from about 63,000 in 2013.
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I totally get where you’re coming from….I would advocate completely destroying any Russian troops in Ukraine. And the Black Sea fleet I’m just a little hesitant with because that could be seen as an escalation outside of Ukraine.
If Russia escalated further after we stepped in, I agree it’s time to level Moscow. But that’s on them…I think our response should be strong, but calculated if he were dumb enough to do this.
I think back in March war with Russia was polling around 35%.
Has anyone seen if that has changed substantially?
Since we’re not under attack or threat of attack we don’t have to rush to war. We have over 100k troops in Europe now.
Let’s have the Congress debate the subject and see where our politicians stand before the next election.
That's crazy talk....
That scenario is a Nuclear war scenario and no sane person advocates for that.
Holy shit what a change in tone from this dude from the early to middle pages of this mega thread. He's not wrong about a lot of it, except the mercenaries. That is the body language and musings of a defeated man.
I'm sure they try, but I think recently they are getting routed too quickly to boobytrap it. If they had a functional air force they would blow it up themselves before it fell into Ukrainian hands.
Putin's defence minister should consider suicide, Russian-installed official says
LONDON (Reuters) -A Russian-installed official in Ukraine on Thursday suggested President Vladimir Putin's defence minister should consider killing himself due to the shame of the defeats in the Ukraine war, an astonishing public insult to Russia's top brass. After more than seven months of war...
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago. The 2nd best time to plant a tree is today.
No, because that's exactly what I'm talking about. If they use a nuclear weapon inside Ukraine we level their army in Ukraine, Crimea, and the Fleet. And then we let them know that if anyone else gets a nuke we level Moscow next time. So at that point Ukraine would have fired a nuclear weapon at someone else in retaliation and then we have to respond in that manner because we're already in nuclear war. So it's not crazy talk as it's the mutually assured destruction we've always discussed. Essentially when they see how fast we level their fleets and everything in Ukraine they know we mean business, but we tell them that's as far as we go unless they decide it has to go further; and the next one will be the full destruction of Moscow.
We don't want to do that, but they can't be allowed to launch nuclear weapons at whomever they want.
Thankfully, I think the threat of even the first move is enough to stay their hands from an actual nuclear response. They'll just keep blustering until they finally retreat behind their borders and threaten to nuke anyone who comes after them, which is fine. They're more than welcome to stay inside Russia.
I don't disagree...just think it's going to take quite a while to ramp up to that.
Like I said...crazy talk.
Even a relatively small nuclear conflict, such as one between India and Pakistan, would be devastating, researchers found. A week-long nuclear war involving about 100 weapons and the release of 5 Tg, about 11 billion pounds, of soot would kill 27 million people directly. The study said after two years, with international trade at a halt and a 34.7ºF temperature drop, the famine it creates would kill 255 million people, assuming that the rest of the population got the minimum food needed to survive, about 1,999 calories per capita per day.
The largest scenario examined, a week-long war involving 4,400 weapons and 150 Tg, or 330.6 billion pounds, of soot – such as one that would occur between the U.S., its allies and Russia – would kill 360 million people directly – and more than 5 billion from starvation, the study said. The density of the soot would reduce global temperatures by more than 58ºF.
Nuclear war between the U.S. and Russia would kill more than 5 billion people – just from starvation, study finds
Just the soot from a week-long nuclear war would cause a "global catastrophe," researchers said.
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CANBERRA, Australia -- Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Thursday it was “hard to say” whether the risk of nuclear war had increased with his military's territorial gains, but he remains confident his Russian counterpart would not survive such as escalation in hostilities.
Zelenskyy was addressing the Lowy Institute international think tank in Sydney via video link after Ukraine’s military retook ground illegally annexed by Russia last week.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned that he won’t hesitate to use nuclear weapons to ward off Ukraine’s attempt to reclaim control of Moscow-occupied areas.
Asked if the risk of Russia using nuclear weapons had risen, Zelenskyy said through an interpreter: “It’s hard to say.”
He questioned whether Putin had enough control over the Russian campaign to direct a tactical nuclear strike. The Russians found it “hard to control everything that is happening in their country, just as they’re not controlling everything they have on the battlefield,” Zelenskyy said.
Zelenskyy said Putin understood that the “world will never forgive” a Russian nuclear strike.
“He understands that after the use of nuclear weapons he would be unable any more to preserve, so to speak, his life, and I’m confident of that,” Zelensky said.
Zelenskyy was addressing the Lowy Institute international think tank in Sydney via video link after Ukraine’s military retook ground illegally annexed by Russia last week.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned that he won’t hesitate to use nuclear weapons to ward off Ukraine’s attempt to reclaim control of Moscow-occupied areas.
Asked if the risk of Russia using nuclear weapons had risen, Zelenskyy said through an interpreter: “It’s hard to say.”
He questioned whether Putin had enough control over the Russian campaign to direct a tactical nuclear strike. The Russians found it “hard to control everything that is happening in their country, just as they’re not controlling everything they have on the battlefield,” Zelenskyy said.
Zelenskyy said Putin understood that the “world will never forgive” a Russian nuclear strike.
“He understands that after the use of nuclear weapons he would be unable any more to preserve, so to speak, his life, and I’m confident of that,” Zelensky said.
All discussion of nuclear weapons is crazy talk. I don't think we'll ever get there. But if Russia Nukes a country outside of Ukraine then we've entered crazy talk time. And I'm not saying we nuke moscow. We don't need to nuke Moscow to level it.Like I said...crazy talk.
Even a relatively small nuclear conflict, such as one between India and Pakistan, would be devastating, researchers found. A week-long nuclear war involving about 100 weapons and the release of 5 Tg, about 11 billion pounds, of soot would kill 27 million people directly. The study said after two years, with international trade at a halt and a 34.7ºF temperature drop, the famine it creates would kill 255 million people, assuming that the rest of the population got the minimum food needed to survive, about 1,999 calories per capita per day.
The largest scenario examined, a week-long war involving 4,400 weapons and 150 Tg, or 330.6 billion pounds, of soot – such as one that would occur between the U.S., its allies and Russia – would kill 360 million people directly – and more than 5 billion from starvation, the study said. The density of the soot would reduce global temperatures by more than 58ºF.
Nuclear war between the U.S. and Russia would kill more than 5 billion people – just from starvation, study finds
Just the soot from a week-long nuclear war would cause a "global catastrophe," researchers said.
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