....yes.....but (apparently) these "locals" are going to make things "costly" for the invading Ukrainian army....Amirite? 🙄
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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....yes.....but (apparently) these "locals" are going to make things "costly" for the invading Ukrainian army....Amirite? 🙄
They'll steal all this stuff, then it'll become utterly worthless to them when they have no parts or equipment to maintain them.
True.
If the Russians are smart....I don't think they are.
They just do a fighting withdrawal through the city. Ukrainian has to take back stuff bldg by bldg. That's costly work.
A more likely scenario is the Russians panicking and bugging out. But if they're willing to put up a fight it won't be easy. Never is in cities...negates whatever tech/hardware advantages you have.
Fallujah was tough fighting for the Marines in Iraq...just been that way throughout history when there's a determined defense.
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The key word in your post is "determined" defense.
From much of the available reporting, it sounds like Russia is withdrawing its remaining seasoned, competent units to the East and backfilling Kherson with the scrubs that were recently mobilized and putting them there as a speed bump to slow the Ukrainians down.
I don't expect those new troops to do much other than get killed and surrender, which will slow the Ukes down a bit, but will not make for much of a defense. I do not see those guys fighting block-to-block, as they have zero motivation to do so.
Still big advantages with tech and hardware in cities.
Most importantly is that NATO artillery should help them push Russian artillery out of range.
Then it is like Fallujah, where blue team’s superior firepower and ISR are a huge edge.
The Ukrainians won’t have to storm any buildings. Video so far shows they’re willing to drop them on their heads instead
2nd battle of Fallujah <100 American dead, 1-2k enemy KIA, 1.5k POW.
I don’t expect fanatical resistance from the Russians on the western bank in the end.
That's why I think a smarter approach is to simply surround the city rather than attempt to retake it. Cut off the supply lines into the city, starve the invaders out and make headway throughout the rest of the country while continuing to drop missiles on any place you discover that Russians are coordinating from. Once you finish the rest of the war you can come back and mop up Kherson.
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Even if true that takes time....get's the Russians into winter on that front. 2nd Fallujah took 6 weeks to clear them out. Time is as big a factor as any in this war...
I can't imagine this would be anything like Fallujah. In those cases not only did you have the armed forces to worry with, but every citizen you saw was potentially ready to drop a grenade on your head or lure you to a trap. I can't imagine the citizens of Kherson are going to be a problem for the Ukranian Army, and I'm not certain much of the Russian army really will as well. Especially if they're the new mobilized army and not something like Wagner.
I think the Ukrainians have demonstrated they’ll go slow to preserve lives (and forces).
The counter offensive to re-take Kherson started over six weeks ago…
True...but the Iraqi's didn't have artillery batteries across the river they could call on for support.
If the Russians are determined they can make things difficult is all I'm saying.
There's a real question on whether they can put up a determined defense though. If they crumble and run forget what I typed in the previous posts
I think this is part of why they’re going slow. Mentioned a few days ago seeing video claiming single HIMARS rockets being used for counter battery in the Kherson region.
No need to Zerg rush the town. Creep forward, ID resistance, call in firepower, creep forward…
Looks like you're probably right. Don't think there'll be many volunteers for that militia
- All men remaining in Kherson have been invited to join a newly formed local militia. In a notice on Telegram, the occupation authorities said men had the “opportunity” to join territorial defence units if they chose to remain in Kherson of their own free will. Compelling civilians to serve in the armed forces of an occupying power is defined as a breach of the Geneva conventions.
- Russia is bringing new military units into Kherson as it prepares to defend the city in the face of the advancing Ukrainian counteroffensive, the head of Ukraine’s defence intelligence directorate has said. Kyrylo Budanov also said Russia would slow Ukrainian troops’ advance in the south by only about two weeks if it blows up the Kakhovka hydroelectric dam near Kherson.
Russia-Ukraine war latest: what we know on day 244 of the invasion
Russian strikes in Donetsk kill seven civilians; car explodes near office of Kremlin propaganda channel; German president arrives in Kyiv
Looks like they have about 80 T80s and 40 BMPs. But when you read the article you see that both Russia and Turkey will not like this to happen.
You have no need to "starve" cities.
You simply need to cut off the re-supply of ammunitions. The population will happily point out where the Rashists are hiding. And they won't get food unless they steal it from the population, which will make them even MORE likely to "out" where they are.
More on the Crotales France is sending to Ukraine and announced 2 weeks ago.
Maybe Russia wants to make sure Ukraine has to go through Kherson. And/or they can continue to harass Ukraine from the other bank.
“Settlement’s”
See this repeatedly in dispatches. Do they mean towns and village’s? What would qualify as a “settlement”?
Pretty sure they do mean towns and villages no matter how small.
What I wonder is do the men who remained in these re-captured areas who are not pro Russian, now give Ukraine a bigger manpower pool or did only the old, young and Orc lovers remain when Russia controlled the area?
After you create your first Settler in Civ move him at least four tiles from the city and press ‘b’.
This will turn him into a settlement and found a new city.
If Ukraine has knocked out 1/4 of the Ka-52s, I wonder what kind of shape the rest are in? Plus, we've seen issues with Russian supply lines and maintenance. You have to figure conservatively that 1/4 are out of service normally.
Good info. I do know from some reporting we have put F-22s and F-16s forward after the Russian invasion, and when you look around you see that Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania, and Poland for sure are all buying F-16s. I take that to mean that airfield questions have been addressed.
I'm not seeing a Stalingrad 2.0 kind of defense from the Russians happening. The meat sacks that Russia is deploying right now are not as determined as the men and women of Stalingrad. These guys in Kherson are looking for the first way out.
Notice that the instructor ordered the trainee to fire down range. That poor SOB had to be seconds away from turning around and shooting that a**hole.
Hungary? You sure about that? The guy who runs Hungary is a Putin butt licker.
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My porn nomme de geurre is going to be "Hung Gary" --- a well-endowed Eastern European with a preference for thicker ladies.
Agree. I'm thinking runways, taxiways and ramps are all good. The question is some of the infrastructure...hangers, maintenance facilities. I know we were beefing up a base in Romania and one in Poland a few years ago.
Nice. Is that the bait you lure the fish with?
How was the trout fishing? Where did you go?
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Ended up helping my folks move and foolishly watched first half of game live.Nice. Is that the bait you lure the fish with?
How was the trout fishing? Where did you go?
The first part is good. The second part is sadism
I see @Thunderlips71 liked your post. Is she a co-star?
How long will Russian's have artillery batteries. They seem to disappear pretty quickly.True...but the Iraqi's didn't have artillery batteries across the river they could call on for support.
If the Russians are determined they can make things difficult is all I'm saying.
There's a real question on whether they can put up a determined defense though. If they crumble and run forget what I typed in the previous posts
