10 more pages until victory. Putin dies this week!!! My condolences in advance for the @hwk23 household.
This might be a little tougher than Putin thought...
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Define victory? If Putin dies there's like an 80% chance the next guy will be much worse.
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No way. If he dies it is because folks know they have to do something or will soon be North Korea. It would be out of desperation to end sanctions and normalize energy trading partners along with saving what is left of military and rebuilding.
How many ‘seriously injured’ ruSSian soldiers are receiving adequate life saving care do you think?
Think NATO will have to threaten to break blockade for this to work.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...n-deal-ukraine-grain-exports-tass-2022-10-29/
https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...n-deal-ukraine-grain-exports-tass-2022-10-29/
I wonder if you Russian soldiers have to pay for their own care just like they have to pay for their own gear? Or, maybe you get better care for a price?
Nah they are just left to die slowly for the most part as far as I can tell. These KIA are much harder for the Ukrainians to tally.
They are not. The 71k or whatever it is now is KIA.
I literally gave you a direct quote from putin saying the reason is land reclamation and you want to call that a false narrative? So, yes, you do want to argue with putin himself regarding his justification....the ego on you is something special. You've been wrong since the beginning and now you're just putting fingers in yours ears and yelling "la la la" so you don't have to acknowledge the fact you've been taken.
Yes, they are estimates of KIA and do not take into account wounded later dying. The true death toll is WAY higher than the KIA estimate.
Look, I just disagree about your Peter the Great quote. I sincerely don't think it proves what you think it does. It's certainly not the full picture imo. Those few sentences are missing a ton of context.. which I tried to provide and you ignored. It seems to me he was comparing Russia's situation in June or July to Peter the Great.
They have a range of acceptable outcomes imo. I believe Russia would have agreed to neutrality and an independent Donbas. That agreement almost occurred in March. Before the war started they would have agreed to no Nato and a ceasefire in the Donbas. But later with no agreement I do think they planned to annex eastern Ukraine.
“Apparently, it is also our lot to return [what is Russia’s] and strengthen [the country]." Apparently? Not too convincing.
Why the fuk do you keep insisting that Russia should be the final arbitor of Ukrainian sovereignty.
What's wrong with you?
It's hard for him right now. Russia is getting their collective ass kicked and they're looking for a way out. Russian apologists think they can go back to things that were allegedly discussed 7 months ago, as if nothing has happened since then.
I think the US should be the final arbiter. Too much is at stake. Without an agreement any victory will be temporary. I certainly don’t care about Nato in Ukraine. Literally every person in the world would benefit if this war was over now, especially Ukrainians.
Do you believe Russia should be allowed to benefit in any way (acquire stolen land, keep kidnapped persons, keep resources, deny culpability and pay no reparations), after all they have done?
Mass murder, torture, mass rape, displacement of millions, mass kidnappings, destruction of cities, destruction of infrastructure, theft of grain / natural resources, theft of personal property on a grand scale, etc.
Problem is, it is all, all of it, due to the arrogance and sickness of one man. One man did and caused all of this. Until he is out of equation, negotiating is futile. He is sick.
I’ll just say I’ve been concerned about this since the beginning. Now is literally not much different, except we might be closer to the point where we see if nukes will be used. Obama said recently we’ve reached a new low point in communications, lower than any time in the Cold War and he was concerned. Obama spoke to Putin once a week. Funny he’s been pretty quiet on this.
I'm sure the US and other Western allies will have Zelenskyy's ear. But in the end it will be Zelenskky v Putin at the table. They'll figure out borders and a peace agreement. NATO membership I'm sure will be a sticky issue.
Fixed it for you. As I said when this first started, Putin screwed the pooch this time and it’s time he learn a lesson. It will be more beneficial for the world once Russian troops are expelled from Ukraine.
Whole video of the triple Pepsi flee. It’s incredible. Like 10 minutes of a movie. A sad movie involving a drunken officer trying to save his men and doing actually impressive job until his drunk driver wrecks, probably killing half of them, and dooming the rest to death or capture.
I tend to agree. I certainly hope that there are some high level Russians that realize that there is a better way to fit in with the rest of the world than what Putin has been pushing. However, given Russia's history and culture, I can see Putin staying in power and nothing changing.
I think Nato is a much larger sticking point for the US than for Ukraine and you are understating US influence on Zelensky. Otherwise, i mostly agree… it might go
down like that and I hope you’re right.
