Wait, so there are levels between mediocre and elite?
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Wait, so there are levels between mediocre and elite?
No, being 25 out of 125 is much better than 122 out of 125 but clone fans can't quite grasp the obvious.
Feel free to tell us how it really is though.
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In a pool of 125 there isn't much difference between #50 and #100? Genius at work here fellas, 'hey rock star I want to give you a raise from 100k to 200k' genius 'nah, there really isn't much of a difference between the two, I will stay at 100k'
Some help here, who has referred to Iowa as 'elite' in this thread?
Some help here, who has referred to Iowa as 'elite' in this thread?
Kirk, who admitted this past off-season he needed to re dedicate himself to the program, has accomplished more in 17 years than ISU has in its history. Was that your point?
The idea that ISU is going to demand anything from any Power 5 team is delusional. Being generous, there might be 5 Power 5 programs less relevant than ISU.
There's going to be 4 conferences of 16 teams eventually. I said it the first time the Big 12 almost imploded. ISU needs to be proactive and find a home. And I'm not an ISU hater either. The argument about this is ridiculous based on history alone. Iowa is well above average. They certainly haven't beat many SEC teams since 2008 when they ounded South Carolina, and they certainly haven't been a BCS team since 2009, but these things do ebb and flow.
ISU has a much improved football team this year. And a lot of both fan bases won't define a rivalry game as exactly what it is. Where strange tings happen, and often time the underdog wins. And it is a rivalry.
Also very true is the argument about Iowa having to play 9 B1G games. And it will remain one of our OOC P5 games will be ISU. And when we lose, the rest of the country won't understand that is is fairly common in this series. As it really is in a lot of rivalry series. And they won't understand it is a tough game notwithstanding the ultimate results of either team.
ISU has a much improved football team this year. And a lot of both fan bases won't define a rivalry game as exactly what it is. Where strange tings happen, and often time the underdog wins. And it is a rivalry.
Also very true is the argument about Iowa having to play 9 B1G games. And it will remain one of our OOC P5 games will be ISU. And when we lose, the rest of the country won't understand that is is fairly common in this series. As it really is in a lot of rivalry series. And they won't understand it is a tough game notwithstanding the ultimate results of either team.
But of of those 6 teams only one hasn't won a conference championship since 1911.
I'm curious what you mean by "be proactive and find a home." Seriously. I found very little in your post with which to disagree, and certainly nothing offensive. But I wonder what you think ISU could/should be doing.
Realistically, ISU is in an excellent position now. It's getting more conference money than was imaginable in the past, and benefits from an excellent TV contract. I think the TV payout per school in the Big XII right now is better than the BiG, although that certainly will change when the latter negotiates its new contracts.
I liked the old Big Eight and am sorry everything changed. But the bottom line for the Cyclones now is considerably better than it was in those days. And it's one hell of a lot better than anyone would have predicted. If I'd been told 20 years ago that the conferences were going to do a radical shakeup, with Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado going elsewhere, I would not have expected ISU to come out of the carnage smelling like a rose, but that's what happened.
It may not survive the next round. ISU is isolated and doesn't bring anything to a power conference that makes it particularly attractive. All-around good athletics program, yes; good fan support, yes; good facilities, yes; good academics, yes; but no TV sets and no football tradition, no recruiting territory, no geographical proximity to anything. Of all the current power conferences, the best fit for ISU obviously is the BiG, but ISU brings absolutely nothing to that league it doesn't already have with Iowa.
Pollard and the others in charge know this, and a lot more, of course. Jamie has been pretty sharp in this regard. I have no doubt he's exploring every possibility. But the fact remains that if Texas and Oklahoma bail out, the other schools are going to have a problem -- hell, that would make Trice the biggest football stadium in the conference!
I would think if that were to happen, we might see the remaining schools get together with BYU, Colorado State, maybe Louisville and/or Memphis. But there wouldn't be a "name" school in the bunch.
It's certainly NOT "laughable" (as one cyclown fan mentioned in this thread) for the Iowa AD to propose a 2 for 1 series schedule of two games in Kinnick to one game in Ames. Granted it IS arrogant, but Iowa has earned that right with the overall stronger football program. If Barta played hardball with Pollard on this issue, isu would relent because Pollard wants this series in the worst way. It would be a "win/win" situation for Barta - either isu accepts (a win with more of these so-called rivalry games in Kinnick) or isu says no, in which case Iowa can provide more variety in their schedule for their fanbase.
You are so far off base, it is quite comical. Pollard makes fun of Hawkeye fans because it is so easy to do....... You epitomize this thought.
You are so far off base, it is quite comical. Pollard makes fun of Hawkeye fans because it is so easy to do....... You epitomize this thought.
When you are isu getting to #100 is to be celebrated.
Meanwhile the rest of the planet laughs at isu for going over 100 years without a football conference title. The only school to do so.
Does this stops clone fans from spouting off their mouths? Thus why clowns are to be laughed at and not taken seriously. Same thing with your AD.
What is next Pollard screaming "it's not fair" again?
Meanwhile the rest of the planet laughs at isu for going over 100 years without a football conference title. The only school to do so.
Does this stops clone fans from spouting off their mouths? Thus why clowns are to be laughed at and not taken seriously. Same thing with your AD.
What is next Pollard screaming "it's not fair" again?
So Cloneswithsigh - if Barta wanted to revise series what kind of leverage would Pollard have to keep football series with Iowa going? Other than little 12 conference and proximity this game does NOTHING for Iowa. You, Pollard, and the rest of the 30 people from clown nation are truly clowns!
The rest of the world laughs at isu and Pollard screams "it's not fair".
Billboard time?
It is not laughable to think Barta might propose it. However, it is laughable to think ISU might accept it.
What is laughable is that I think Iowa plays Pitt, and ISU plays Arkon. But I might have missed something, and maybe Iowa plays ISU again this Saturday?
Laughable = Laffy!
Laffy Taffy!
Laughable = Laffy!
Laffy Taffy!
Clone fans nor Pollard will never answer your question. They have no leverage because they are little bro and they know it. Even Fox knows it which was why the brought it up on Saturday and CPR nodded in agreement.
But do tell us how it really is clone fans no one will laugh really.
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There's a huge difference between being the 50th best team and the 100th best team. It's generally a 2-3 win difference. So yeah, the awesome/elite/championship-caliber 50th best team at 7-5 is leaps-and-bounds better than the 100th best 5-7 team. So you're right. F-me.
But what's telling is how you defend the 50th best team as not being mediocre.
lol
Iowa plays an ISU of some kind every week.
That's a joke.
Cyclones play at Toledo. I wish it were Akron. Toledo won at #18 Arkansas last Saturday playing without their all-American candidate RB.
I really could care less who Iowa State plays, this week or the remainder of the season. Cyclone fans should just be grateful that Iowa failed on the fake field goal, and Canzeri fumbled, otherwise you'd be looking at an ass kicking, instead of just a kicking.
BTW, I see your setting it up so when ISU loses to Toledo you can claim they were world beaters, since they beat #18 Arkansas.
BTW, I see your setting it up so when ISU loses to Toledo you can claim they were world beaters, since they beat #18 Arkansas.
Pitt is an isu? Nope Pitt has won a conference championship more recently than 1912. They even had to win more than 2 games to do it unlike isu's last conference championship in football.
Who has the tougher schedule right now on Sagarin? It isn't isu.
Ouch now the clones don't even have the SOS blankly to cuddle up with.
I do not agree at all. With the exception of their end zone(and ours will as nice or better) we are kicking their ass in facilities.
First of all the Iowa game balances out the home games from the 9 game conference season which alternates between 4 and 5 home games. So any change would need to fit within our conference schedule. I understand that same issue has already been cleared for Iowa by the Big 10 regarding the Iowa State game when they go to a 9 game schedule.
If we ever were to agree to a 2 for 1, it would only be because Iowa agreed to pay a very high price tag. I don't think Iowa wants a 2 for 1 that bad, plus it would screw up things with their upcoming 9 game conference schedule.
When teams left the Big 12, ISU had to scramble to replace those teams on the schedule. Some of these teams bailed us out, but it required a home and away or 2 for 1 agreement.
I don't think it would necessarily screw up their conference schedule. They'd just drop us one year out of four. That is, things would be like they are now, except that every fourth year instead of going to Ames they would schedule another team.
Probably a double-directional.
Iowa's last road game at a non-P5/BCS team was 2002 at Miami(OH).
ISU:
2003 at NIU
2005 at army
2007 at toledo
2008 at unlv
2009 at kent state
2013 at tulsa
2015 at toledo
2017 at akron
2021 at unlv
2025 at arkansas state
ISU:
2003 at NIU
2005 at army
2007 at toledo
2008 at unlv
2009 at kent state
2013 at tulsa
2015 at toledo
2017 at akron
2021 at unlv
2025 at arkansas state
How in the actual f*** do they have a non-conference game scheduled (against a mid major no less) 10 years in advance?......
That's an excellent question. Especially since that will be the first time in the history of ISU football that the team has played Arksansas State.
The way the conferences are expanding, that wouldn't shock me much more than Rutgers becoming the 14th member of the BigTen.
When you get a chance to schedule a home and home with Arkansas State, you just do it, no matter how far into the future.
Scheduling non conference games was a little different prior to the 9 game conference schedule. So 5 road games in 13 years since the 9 game conference schedule was started isn't too bad. I would prefer the non-conference games all to be home games, but doesn't everybody. Those teams need to get an occasional return game to fill out their home schedule.
