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Thoughts on DOGE finding this out?

Oh, @Phenomenally Frantastic …. Whatcha got?

Let me ask you this. When the cuts they want to make like OSHA, NLRB, CFPB, USAID etc are complete, and they increase tax cuts to the wealthy again, and create an additional 3 trillion dollars of deficit; what will be the end result?

Tesla is the national leader in OSHA violations by a large amount. The NLRB has been in lawsuit with Musk companies a few times. The CFPB was investing Musk. USAID was investigating Starlink.

I answered that earlier about them doing the cuts because of the 3-3-3 bessent plan. But you guys are making assumptions on the deficits and tax cuts. When they release the ins and outs of the Trump tax cuts and what is passed I will revisit it with you guys. But if this happens the end result would be more inflation and less services.

Regarding Tesla and OSHA, idk much about this subject but it’s makes you wonder what is actually going on behind the scenes. Please post some links and I’ll take a look at it.
 
The questioning originated from posters saying this info has always been there. I said it is being shown more light because of Elon and Twitter with news orgs actually reporting on it because of Elon. How is that me saying I think this information is reliable and truthful?

But since it’s been there the whole time and Wikileaks bringing it up from using that website, wouldn’t that mean that the information I posted in this thread is reliable and truthful?
The info is incomplete. It doesn't explain how it was funded or approved. The tweet makes it sound like the funding was done underhandedly and is wasteful. More in depth reporting would include research on the spending to answer those additional questions.
 
In terms of sources, who are not the outright fraudulent sources you speak of so I can pay attention to them as well? It seems the people you think I am reading and listening to are in the right wing media sphere.
I just follow the news on the MSM and also via the blogs and Twitter/Blue-sky accounts that I've followed for the last 20 years. Having full access to the NY Times and Wash Post and Wall St Journal is fabulous (If you don't have access to those sources through work or don't want to pay yourself your local library may offer free online subscriptions) and try to use critical thinking skills to discern what is and isn't bullshit. I don't feel like listing every possible source of information I consult because it's way too long a list, and to tell the truth the MSM political reporting is completely horrendous, you wouldn't be able to understand this era at all if you relied on what the NY Times political desk "reports". I also actually do consume conservative media content like Fox News and blogs like instapundit to see what they're saying.

I also try to hold accountable sources that turn out to not be credible and try to understand and account for my own limitations when it comes to smarts and analytical abilities and my prejudices/biases.

But I just mainly think about what is plausible and what's not plausible. You really think that Elon's blitzkrieg over the last 2 weeks has been about finding waste in the government? And how would he possibly with his invasions of government agencies and systems at this point be doing anything other than just "setting up". It's all just completely absurd.

And as has been documented, all of his "revelations" so far have come from already publicly available sources and are mostly just retread rightwing media stuff.

Finally, Musk has been an ongoing serial liar about his businesses and he daily posts and reposts false/misleading junk in his twitter feed. Why would anyone see him as a credible source about anything?

 
And I’ve said I knew we were doing it (I’ve always hated it) but you had an idea of where it was going and how it was being used? I think the biggest story, if true, is the inner workings of how our taxpayer money gets voted on and sent without any oversight. Having Elon who is under the whole worlds microscope and has the biggest sphere of influence in social media tweeting about this is giving a lot of people new news.
Why do you say …”without any oversight.”
Are you just now paying attention to the world at large? No obligatory question about your age coming from me.
 
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I just follow the news on the MSM and also via the blogs and Twitter/Blue-sky accounts that I've followed for the last 20 years. Having full access to the NY Times and Wash Post and Wall St Journal is fabulous (If you don't have access to those sources through work or don't want to pay yourself your local library may offer free online subscriptions) and try to use critical thinking skills to discern what is and isn't bullshit. I don't feel like listing every possible source of information I consult because it's way too long a list, and to tell the truth the MSM political reporting is completely horrendous, you wouldn't be able to understand this era at all if you relied on what the NY Times political desk "reports". I also actually do consume conservative media content like Fox News and blogs like instapundit to see what they're saying.

I also try to hold accountable sources that turn out to not be credible and try to understand and account for my own limitations when it comes to smarts and analytical abilities and my prejudices/biases.

But I just mainly think about what is plausible and what's not plausible. You really think that Elon's blitzkrieg over the last 2 weeks has been about finding waste in the government? And how would he possibly with his invasions of government agencies and systems at this point be doing anything other than just "setting up". It's all just completely absurd.

And as has been documented, all of his "revelations" so far have come from already publicly available sources and are mostly just retread rightwing media stuff.

Finally, Musk has been an ongoing serial liar about his businesses and he daily posts and reposts false/misleading junk in his twitter feed. Why would anyone see him as a credible source about anything?

Yeah I don’t follow the MSM or legacy media at all other than when I’m watching it on the treadmill haha.

I love the reporting Ezra Klein does from the NYT and listen to all of his Podcasts. I listen to Pod save America, Jon Stewart daily and weekly show, I watch Bill Maher, I listen to Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan dependent on the guest, started listening to the All in podcast with the billionaires, and follow all types of subreddits for news.

In terms of Elon, this Elon blietzkrieg is a a mix of Trump getting red meat for his base, getting back at his political “enemies”, and probably had a deal with Elon for all that money to be able to do this. There is obviously financial gain for Elon or else he wouldn’t be doing this. I was listening to the latest Ezra Klein pod with Kara Swisher and they basically summed up Elon perfectly. He is a 15 year old boy that is awkward and super smart.
 
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Yeah I don’t follow the MSM or legacy media at all other than when I’m watching it on the treadmill haha.

I love the reporting Ezra Klein does from the NYT and listen to all of his Podcasts. I listen to Pod save America, Jon Stewart daily and weekly show, I watch Bill Maher, I listen to Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan dependent on the guest, started listening to the All in podcast with the billionaires, and follow all types of subreddits for news.

In terms of Elon, this Elon blietzkrieg is a a mix of Trump getting red meat for his base, getting back at his political appointees, and probably had a deal with Elon for all that money to be able to do this. There is obviously financial gain for Elon or else he wouldn’t be doing this. I was listening to the latest Ezra Klein pod with Kara Swisher and they basically summed up Elon perfectly. He is a 15 year old boy that is awkward and super smart.
Absolutely Elon is in this for gain. I wonder what Elon has on Trump.
 
Why do you say …”without any oversight.”
Are you trust now paying attention to the world at large? No obligatory question about your age coming from me.
When I say that it is when we send money to a NGO for a project that is supposed to be completed was it actually competed and was the money spent as it was intended. Should we trust these career politicians and lobbyists within the Washington sphere with taxpayer funds?
 
Yeah I don’t follow the MSM or legacy media at all other than when I’m watching it on the treadmill haha.

I love the reporting Ezra Klein does from the NYT and listen to all of his Podcasts. I listen to Pod save America, Jon Stewart daily and weekly show, I watch Bill Maher, I listen to Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan dependent on the guest, started listening to the All in podcast with the billionaires, and follow all types of subreddits for news.

In terms of Elon, this Elon blietzkrieg is a a mix of Trump getting red meat for his base, getting back at his political appointees, and probably had a deal with Elon for all that money to be able to do this. There is obviously financial gain for Elon or else he wouldn’t be doing this. I was listening to the latest Ezra Klein pod with Kara Swisher and they basically summed up Elon perfectly. He is a 15 year old boy that is awkward and super smart.
Wtf, why?
 
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Why would I have any idea of the inner working of the USAID fundings? I’m more worried about my girls, firing Fran, and the Detroit Lions.
But now you’re somehow interested? And even though we’re only hearing from 1 side (Elon and Trump) now you’re very concerned?
 
But now you’re somehow interested? And even though we’re only hearing from 1 side (Elon and Trump) now you’re very concerned?
I’ve always been interested but it’s the #1 news story in America right now. Brings a lot more interest to the subject. Also I’m hearing from both sides perspectives on here which is why I enjoy HORT.
 
When I say that it is when we send money to a NGO for a project that is supposed to be completed was it actually competed and was the money spent as it was intended. Should we trust these career politicians and lobbyists within the Washington sphere with taxpayer funds?
Government funds were designated to build a beyooteeful wall? Was it completed? Do you trust those peeps running that project?
 
What I think is fascinating is all of the republicans expressing outrage and awe over everything Musk has "found" over the past 2 weeks...that somehow in their various committees in Congress has evaded them for years.
 
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I just follow the news on the MSM and also via the blogs and Twitter/Blue-sky accounts that I've followed for the last 20 years. Having full access to the NY Times and Wash Post and Wall St Journal is fabulous (If you don't have access to those sources through work or don't want to pay yourself your local library may offer free online subscriptions) and try to use critical thinking skills to discern what is and isn't bullshit. I don't feel like listing every possible source of information I consult because it's way too long a list, and to tell the truth the MSM political reporting is completely horrendous, you wouldn't be able to understand this era at all if you relied on what the NY Times political desk "reports". I also actually do consume conservative media content like Fox News and blogs like instapundit to see what they're saying.

I also try to hold accountable sources that turn out to not be credible and try to understand and account for my own limitations when it comes to smarts and analytical abilities and my prejudices/biases.

But I just mainly think about what is plausible and what's not plausible. You really think that Elon's blitzkrieg over the last 2 weeks has been about finding waste in the government? And how would he possibly with his invasions of government agencies and systems at this point be doing anything other than just "setting up". It's all just completely absurd.

And as has been documented, all of his "revelations" so far have come from already publicly available sources and are mostly just retread rightwing media stuff.

Finally, Musk has been an ongoing serial liar about his businesses and he daily posts and reposts false/misleading junk in his twitter feed. Why would anyone see him as a credible source about anything?

This was reading like a well thought out response... then you used "blitzkrieg" and "invasion" to describe DOGE's digging into govt spending and it verified you and whatever sources you've followed for 20 years aren't remotely legitimate.
 
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What I think is fascinating is all of the republicans expressing outrage and awe over everything Musk has "found" over the past 2 weeks...that somehow in their various committees in Congress has evaded them for years.

The White House has been split 50/50 this century and I'd imagine that the majority party in Congress has been split pretty close to even as well (too lazy to look it up). But all of the "waste" that Doge and Elon have found are related to liberal programs.
 
Oh, @Phenomenally Frantastic …. Whatcha got?

Let me ask you this. When the cuts they want to make like OSHA, NLRB, CFPB, USAID etc are complete, and they increase tax cuts to the wealthy again, and create an additional 3 trillion dollars of deficit; what will be the end result?

Tesla is the national leader in OSHA violations by a large amount. The NLRB has been in lawsuit with Musk companies a few times. The CFPB was investing Musk. USAID was investigating Starlink.
Didn't Biden want to use OSHA to mandate we take a worthless vaccine or lose our jobs?
 
Government funds were designated to build a beyooteeful wall? Was it completed? Do you trust those peeps running that project?
I don’t that’s why I didn’t vote for the administration. Honestly, there are very few people I trust once they get this kind of power
 
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