Time for the "Big 4" crap to end

[gohawkz]

And I was told I was running away crying. So sad we disagree, but I've a feeling if Iowa stuck to it's ground both Drake and UNI would end up playing in Carver. And that means more games for Hawkeye fans to attend!

I have no idea what you mean. Please explain.

 

[Mohawkeye]

I remember it well. I don't think that if we lose we should cry like a bunch of babies and refuse to play you again. Good teams find ways to win, not run away and play Gardner Webb in an empty arena.

We have no trouble finding good teams to play home and away with, no sense waisting a home and away on UNI or Drake. We just don't need to go to their place. No good reason for us to do it. If they are willing to play all the games at Carver Hawkeye, I'm good with that. We're doing them a favor, not the other way around.

 

[DanL53]

I have no idea what you mean. Please explain.

MoHawkeye just explained it really well. If Iowa has to set up home and aways, we can find much better teams to do it with than Drake or UNI.

 

[Red87]

In what irrational universe is Iowa doing UNI a favor? UNI has, unequivocally, been a better program going on 12 years now. They have been more nationally relevant, had more regular season and tournament success; they are a better program. That's non-debatable. This isn't 1995 anymore. Iowa belongs to a superior conference, but is an inferior program.

 

[DanL53]

In what irrational universe is Iowa doing UNI a favor? UNI has, unequivocally, been a better program going on 12 years now. They have been more nationally relevant, had more regular season and tournament success; they are a better program. That's non-debatable. This isn't 1995 anymore. Iowa belongs to a superior conference, but is an inferior program.

The irrational universe of making money and getting on television. Iowa has a fine baseball coach. Guess where he came from. UNI! Because they couldn't afford to keep baseball. Iowa has money. UNI operates in the red! That irrational universe tells me that Iowa could sit down and negotiate better terms to play them.

Now, is that so irrational? Why should Iowa find itself in Cedar Falls getting hosed by the refs (And if anyone wants to say we never were......you ARE nuts.) NO! I say that UNI and Drakes national interest is lower than Iowa's and they do us no good in building our own credentials. And the instate stuff means they put a premium on beating us and I get that, but why give them any help we don't have to give them.

Who is REALLY crying? The folks who want Iowa to "give" like a nice big brother. I say we did that once already helping out Iowa State and boy ought we be sorry we did that! Why do it again?

 

[BeepBeepInMyJeep]

In what irrational universe is Iowa doing UNI a favor? UNI has, unequivocally, been a better program going on 12 years now. They have been more nationally relevant, had more regular season and tournament success; they are a better program. That's non-debatable. This isn't 1995 anymore. Iowa belongs to a superior conference, but is an inferior program.

That's a very selective window to choose but I would agree that on the whole, UNI certainly had a better 12 years than and has been a better run program than Iowa. I
Obviously now Iowa has "caught up" and they are on pretty equal footing I'm the last 2-3 years. It's really all about money.

 

[jd21]

We have no trouble finding good teams to play home and away with, no sense waisting a home and away on UNI or Drake. We just don't need to go to their place. No good reason for us to do it. If they are willing to play all the games at Carver Hawkeye, I'm good with that. We're doing them a favor, not the other way around.

Please tell me who we are setting up these home and away series with? Without the ACC challenge would we even play a power 5 team in Carver outside ISU every other year? Iowa schedules nobodies don't act like that would change if UNI/ Drake were off the schedule.

And no reason to play a tough out of conference game on the road in a tourny game atmosphere? I would argue that going on the road to UNI or Drake is exactly what this weak minded Hawk team has needed over the last few years. Look, I love Iowa, but not seeing UNI for what they are over that last 10 years is just being stubborn. Great teams don't shy away from tough games in a hostile environment even if that means they might lose, see North Carolina.

 

[And1Hawk]

Money wise..against these cupcakes like Gardner Webb Carver Hawkeye is empty. There's NO gate for these teams. Iowa is not getting rich playing these teams . They pay them to come and get no ticket sales. Home and away you'd at least sell out one out of two years. Financially either decision is at least a wash.

That being said, taking the financial aspect out of it. What possible reason would you have for not having a home and away with UNI?

You do realize there is 'paid attendance' and 'actual attendance'? Seats can be spoken for but a portion of fans elect not attend so financially it may not be as bad as you are portraying. The loss in revenue could be more in consessions.

It would be more accurate to talk about fan interest when playing teams like Coppin St, etc.

 

[ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK]

50% of this thread is dumb. The other 50% is right, play in Knapp & McCloud.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Please tell me who we are setting up these home and away series with? Without the ACC challenge would we even play a power 5 team in Carver outside ISU every other year? Iowa schedules nobodies don't act like that would change if UNI/ Drake were off the schedule.

And no reason to play a tough out of conference game on the road in a tourny game atmosphere? I would argue that going on the road to UNI or Drake is exactly what this weak minded Hawk team has needed over the last few years. Look, I love Iowa, but not seeing UNI for what they are over that last 10 years is just being stubborn. Great teams don't shy away from tough games in a hostile environment even if that means they might lose, see North Carolina.

With all the preseason tournaments now, there is no need to schedule any Power 5 teams anymore. You can guarantee seeing at least 1-2 Power 5 teams at these tournaments.


So Iowa's scheduling will always have the ISU game, ACC challenge, and then the tournament games. They have several options to play in the non-conf.

 

[HoustonREDHawk]

Maybe someone could come up with a different format. I like the idea of an actual four-team tourney with Iowa playing either Drake or UNI and ISU playing Drake/UNI on the first day. Then, have the losers play and the winners play on the second night. Maybe the tourney could alternate between Hilton and Carver every year. I can't imagine why UNI or Drake would complain, if they get good paydays. I guess this could jeopardize a possible ISU/Iowa match up, if they both can't win on day one, but this would be good competition that should be able to be televised on something other than ESPN3. There would then be a true champion of the state of Iowa each year.

 

[like-woahh]

Maybe someone could come up with a different format. I like the idea of an actual four-team tourney with Iowa playing either Drake or UNI and ISU playing Drake/UNI on the first day. Then, have the losers play and the winners play on the second night. Maybe the tourney could alternate between Hilton and Carver every year. I can't imagine why UNI or Drake would complain, if they get good paydays. I guess this could jeopardize a possible ISU/Iowa match up, if they both can't win on day one, but this would be good competition that should be able to be televised on something other than ESPN3. There would then be a true champion of the state of Iowa each year.

I may be incorrect, but I'm fairly certain a team can only participate in one official out of conference tournament for their season.

 

[Kurt Warner]

I don't really see why everyone or most see this is a bad idea playing these games in wells Fargo. It gives fans the chance to see all four instate teams in action on the same day and in same place, some fans that would never get to see them otherwise. Not only that, it is good for the city of dsm. The only thing I didn't like was the iowa/drake game not being televised.

 

[Ihawkhoops]

I don't understand the economics involved in these deals, but it seem that KGAN, KCRG, or somebody would air this. Maybe there is too much competition for national events on Saturday afternoons. ESPN 3 is better than nothing, but it was odd to get a few minutes of a cricket game instead of the end of the first half.

 

[sgt_knock]

It's a great event. Gives some of you country mice a chance to come to the big city. DM has the largest I Club in the state. It's a win for everyone.

 

[StormHawk42]

Good lord we have some p****ies for fans

 

[buttermypancakes]

In what irrational universe is Iowa doing UNI a favor? UNI has, unequivocally, been a better program going on 12 years now. They have been more nationally relevant, had more regular season and tournament success; they are a better program. That's non-debatable. This isn't 1995 anymore. Iowa belongs to a superior conference, but is an inferior program.

The same could be said for UNI vs Indiana. UNI has had more NCAA tourney berths since 03-04. Does that mean you would set up a home and away with them, absolutely not.

 

[doughudd]

Remember--Iowa and Iowa State were all for it. They no longer wanted to play at Cedar Falls and Knapp respectively. This goes back to before Fran and even Fred were coaching.
That said, I agree with the poster above. Make it a 2 day event so all 4 teams play each other.
Friday Night is Iowa vs UNI/Drake and Sunday versus the other. Same with Iowa State.

It sold out today and I believe last year. It isn't going anywhere. My vote is for expanding it versus ditching it. Unless you prefer watching another boring home game vs. Tennessee Tech coming up Tuesday, because that is what it would be replaced with.

If it sold out there were a lot of no shows

 

[doughudd]

Money wise..against these cupcakes like Gardner Webb Carver Hawkeye is empty. There's NO gate for these teams. Iowa is not getting rich playing these teams . They pay them to come and get no ticket sales. Home and away you'd at least sell out one out of two years. Financially either decision is at least a wash.

That being said, taking the financial aspect out of it. What possible reason would you have for not having a home and away with UNI?

Fran not wanting to go back, police escort off the court, UNI fans laughing at the calls they were getting especially the Marble foul. Reff's were a total joke.

 

[hawkeye122671]

UNI has been a better program over the last decade than Iowa and it's not even arguable. Possibly better than Iowa State too.

 

[hooper56]

In what irrational universe is Iowa doing UNI a favor? UNI has, unequivocally, been a better program going on 12 years now. They have been more nationally relevant, had more regular season and tournament success; they are a better program. That's non-debatable. This isn't 1995 anymore. Iowa belongs to a superior conference, but is an inferior program.

They are not a better program. They rarely sell out their small gym and do not take in nearly the cash that ISU or Iowa do. They have had some good wins the last few years, good for them but how often do they go to the ncaa tourney? They are a mid major. We should not do home and homes with mid majors. Period.

 

[hawkcub]

They are not a better program. They rarely sell out their small gym and do not take in nearly the cash that ISU or Iowa do. They have had some good wins the last few years, good for them but how often do they go to the ncaa tourney? They are a mid major. We should not do home and homes with mid majors. Period.

Exactly. They have been solid over the last decade but not like Gonzaga or even Creighton before they left the Valley. Bunch of you sound like UNI fans. UNI is solid at their level and will get upsets. The MVC is not the B1G or the Big 12. They will have great teams that are competitive for a couple years (WSU). There's a reason 2 bids is a good year for the MVC and 3 is a great year. While in the B1G or Big 12 5 is a down year.

 

[Run&Blade]

Fran also was ejected at McLeod when he coached Siena. He acts like a baby a couple of times a year. Now that he is in a power conference he can shield himself from tough spots by swinging his Big 10 card.

At least one of those refs worked multiple final fours. Many act like it was a hand picked collection of junior high officials.

Fran is not a pressure coach. His team's reflect that in crunch time.

 

[DanL53]

Exactly. They have been solid over the last decade but not like Gonzaga or even Creighton before they left the Valley. Bunch of you sound like UNI fans. UNI is solid at their level and will get upsets. The MVC is not the B1G or the Big 12. They will have great teams that are competitive for a couple years (WSU). There's a reason 2 bids is a good year for the MVC and 3 is a great year. While in the B1G or Big 12 5 is a down year.

This board has quite a few posers.

 

[yerpHAWK]

They are not a better program. They rarely sell out their small gym and do not take in nearly the cash that ISU or Iowa do. They have had some good wins the last few years, good for them but how often do they go to the ncaa tourney? They are a mid major. We should not do home and homes with mid majors. Period.

Cause Carver's just always full.

They have more NCAA appearances this century, have gone farther in the tournament, and are 7-7 vs Iowa, and a winning record vs Iowa State. They are a better program.

 

[Hans81]

Iowa and isu being in major conferences should have control of where games against the likes of UNI and Drake are played - end of story. UNI may have some nice wins and good little year here and there, but they are NOT at the level of Iowa, or isu's programs.

 

[Red87]

The same could be said for UNI vs Indiana. UNI has had more NCAA tourney berths since 03-04. Does that mean you would set up a home and away with them, absolutely not.

Absolutely. IU has had home and homes with Evansville, Indiana State, and Ball State in past 10 years. They should play home and home with some of those other in-state DI teams every two year cycle. But, UNI is a higher level program than any of them besides Butler. For Iowa to not play UNI because they feel they're above UNI is just silly.

 

[oldman101]

And I was told I was running away crying. So sad we disagree, but I've a feeling if Iowa stuck to it's ground both Drake and UNI would end up playing in Carver. And that means more games for Hawkeye fans to attend!

There was no prohibition against Iowa fans traveling to Wells Fargo to attend this event, but perhaps the distance was just too far for your horse and buggy to travel? As for me I traveled as far as the current year and watched the event on television via espn3 streamed live from my computer. The feed was just clear as any other broadcast of the day. Catch up to the modern technological world and you can catch these games you are missing as well as a host of others.

 

[waterboy4582]

This board has quite a few posers.

and homers that live in Fantasyland.

 

[DanL53]

There was no prohibition against Iowa fans traveling to Wells Fargo to attend this event, but perhaps the distance was just too far for your horse and buggy to travel? As for me I traveled as far as the current year and watched the event on television via espn3 streamed live from my computer. The feed was just clear as any other broadcast of the day. Catch up to the modern technological world and you can catch these games you are missing as well as a host of others.

I watched it on ESPN3 myself. I live too far away to attend games in either location. But, my complaint was for Hawkeye fans...not every complaint has to be self serving. (Maybe for old men?)

Iowa had two exhibition games this year. Why? To add a home game because the schedule was one shy. That's great for what it was, but people buying season tickets would probably enjoy having some decent games.

The UNI game was on ESPN3 because the mighty Missouri Valley Conference has a deal with ESPN, meaning the best they could get was ESPN3. You may find that just fine with your set up to watch, as I did, but thinking of others, don't you think some folks would have liked to watch the game on a better network?

It's a plain #$% fact that Iowa got screwed over at Cedar Falls. Badly. Embarrassingly. As in UNI should have apologized!!! Why should Iowa put itself in any situation like that again?

And bottom line, this is just my opinion. I've expressed it. You don't like it, fine. But you know where you can stick your comments like horse and buggy.

 

[stender72865]

Iowa State + Iowa should both play home/away with UNI/Drake starting next year until the end of time. There is much to be said about in-state rivalries and UNI + Drake deserve home games too. ISU + Iowa benefit more from these games than playing Arkansas Pine Bluff or Coppin State. Any fan of either ISU or Iowa who thinks they are "above" playing either UNI or Drake on the road needs to get over themself. Neither program is "that good".

 

[milehighhawkeye24]

I have no problem with it, it gives Iowa and Iowa State more flexibility with their schedule. Besides it was on ESPN3 so I was able to watch it, its damn near 2016 get the internet. If you think people nationally will be more interested in seeing Iowa play UNI and Drake anuually than they would be with this event please pass what you are smoking this way. It is like playing ISU in football, it is great for ISU b/c if they lose that is what they are supposed to do, if they win it is worthy of storming the field/court. If we beat UNI/Drake big deal, if we lose it is pretty shitty deal....if you cannot see that and understand that position than IDK what to say

 

[DanL53]

Iowa State + Iowa should both play home/away with UNI/Drake starting next year until the end of time. There is much to be said about in-state rivalries and UNI + Drake deserve home games too. ISU + Iowa benefit more from these games than playing Arkansas Pine Bluff or Coppin State. Any fan of either ISU or Iowa who thinks they are "above" playing either UNI or Drake on the road needs to get over themself. Neither program is "that good".

I don't remember playing away games at Arkansas Pine Bluff or Coppin State. I recall our away games being Marquette (Big East/Big Ten Challenge), and Iowa State. In fact, other than Iowa State our away games will be against either a Big East or ACC team. You really think the Missouri Valley Conference is at the level of the Big Twelve, ACC or Big East?

Again, we had to ADD an Exhibition game to complete the home schedule. You think that's fair to fans buying tickets? Meanwhile we're playing Drake in Des Moines, why?

No, UNI and Drake don't rate home and homes. Want to play Iowa, play Iowa in Carver. Quit asking for favors.

I'd sooner have a home and home with the SEC and PAC12.

 

[hawkeye122671]

This board has quite a few posers.

If you cannot understand why playing a team that always helps us in strength of schedule, has been a great challenge and helps prepare us for BIG is not of value despite venue, you are a helpless dope.

 

[DanL53]

If you cannot understand why playing a team that always helps us in strength of schedule, has been a great challenge and helps prepare us for BIG is not of value despite venue, you are a helpless dope.

More insults. Rest assured that will be filed away where it deserves. We BEAT Drake and dropped from 13th to 18th on KenPom.

 

[Ronman]

Absolutely. IU has had home and homes with Evansville, Indiana State, and Ball State in past 10 years. They should play home and home with some of those other in-state DI teams every two year cycle. But, UNI is a higher level program than any of them besides Butler. For Iowa to not play UNI because they feel they're above UNI is just silly.

Without doing much research, I can think of just twice that Indiana has played in Evansville in the last 20 years. Wouldn't surprise me if it was about the same for Indiana St. and Ball St., so I would not equate that with playing home and home with UNI every other year, as we used to do.

 

[Mohawkeye]

Iowa State + Iowa should both play home/away with UNI/Drake starting next year until the end of time. There is much to be said about in-state rivalries and UNI + Drake deserve home games too. ISU + Iowa benefit more from these games than playing Arkansas Pine Bluff or Coppin State. Any fan of either ISU or Iowa who thinks they are "above" playing either UNI or Drake on the road needs to get over themself. Neither program is "that good".

It is not about being superior. I would readily agree that UNI has had better basketball teams than Iowa for many years. The point is, Iowa gets nothing out of playing at UNI, and it is a trap game because UNI PLAYERS get up for beating Iowa more than they do for playing a conference game. The same cannot be said for Iowa players. The mere fact that you UNI fans get so upset about not playing Iowa says it all.

 

[yerpHAWK]

It is not about being superior. I would readily agree that UNI has had better basketball teams than Iowa for many years. The point is, Iowa gets nothing out of playing at UNI, and it is a trap game because UNI PLAYERS get up for beating Iowa more than they do for playing a conference game. The same cannot be said for Iowa players. The mere fact that you UNI fans get so upset about not playing Iowa says it all.

This is mostly a false notion. While I agree UNI gets amped for Iowa, Iowa should be the same because of in-state rivalry. UNI is a solid program, and it's time to stop acting like they wouldn't be a good win. This isn't Iowa State for football. North Carolina went to UNI and got no flack for losing.

People just have it stuck in their head that it's a no win situation.

 

[oldman101]

More insults. Rest assured that will be filed away where it deserves. We BEAT Drake and dropped from 13th to 18th on KenPom.

Iowa would have dropped to 18th regardless of where this game was played. They will drop farther after their next game at Carver. And, as you say, this is not all about you, this event is great opportunity for fans of all sorts to view all of these fine teams at one go.

 

[b10fn]

Do you blame him? The "event" is ridiculous

until he starts scheduling road games at tough venues to get this team ready for the road in the b10...yes.