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Trump telegraphs plans to neuter Congress, this time by seizing spending

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Donald Trump hasn’t won a second term yet, but he’s already preparing to constitutionally nuke Congress. So far, lawmakers in his party seem to be welcoming their own obliteration.
Trump’s allies sometimes say the presumed Republican presidential nominee should be taken “seriously but not literally.” For instance, when he declared he’d be a “dictator” just on “Day One” of his second term, he didn’t literally mean a dictator; he’s just a tough leader who knows how to get things done.


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The problem with this charitable interpretation is that Trump does, quite literally, plan to seize powers that our Constitution does not afford to presidents. He’s been laying down the groundwork to do so, including lately through the federal budget process.

In recent months, Trump has said explicitly that sometimes he won’t spend money the way Congress — which controls power of the purse, per the Constitution — instructs him to. He and his advisers have described plans to use “impoundment,” a technical term meaning to withhold funds that Congress has appropriated for specific purposes.


“Restoring the Impoundment Power,” Trump’s campaign website says, will help “stop unnecessary spending” and “crush the Deep State.” Perhaps those sound like reasonable outcomes to fans of small government — who could object to a bit of penny-pinching here and there?


What it would mean in practice, though, is more troubling: Trump could unilaterally zero out any program he doesn’t like, or whose recipient has angered him, regardless of Congress’s instructions.

Based on comments the candidate and his aides have made recently, Trump’s targets for budgetary nuking include clean-energy subsidies, international aid programs and funding for the World Health Organization. He told Fox News last week that he might cut the entire Education Department, Interior Department and “the environmental agencies,” too.

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Given Trump’s attacks on the safety net last time he was president, it also would not be surprising if he tried to unilaterally chop funding for other programs, such as Medicaid or nutritional assistance for babies and pregnant women in low-income households. Nor would Trump shock anyone if he were to use this power to exact vengeance, as when he threatened to withhold lifesaving pandemic assistance unless “ungrateful” governors groveled before him.
To be clear: This would all be illegal.

Trump has tried withholding congressionally appropriated funds before. Remember when he withheld aid to Ukraine because he wanted President Volodymyr Zelensky to do him a “favor” (provide incriminating evidence about the Biden family)? That was an illegal impoundment, the Government Accountability Office determined.


Former president Richard M. Nixon also (unsuccessfully) tried to impound spending, many times. Like Trump, Nixon believed he had the power to reshape policy and funding decisions — congressional statutes and constitutional checks and balances be damned.
Nixon’s impoundment measures were challenged in federal court. Every time courts ruled on the merits, they decided against him, according to Georgetown University law professor David Super. The best-known of those cases — Train v. City of New York, filed after Nixon refused to spend Clean Water Act money on water and sewer systems — made it to the Supreme Court. Every justice agreed that the president’s personal policy preferences could not override appropriations mandated by Congress.

Trump says he has a plan for getting around these inconvenient precedents: It involves convincing Congress to roll back a 1974 law known as the Impoundment Control Act. But that law was passed after Nixon’s impoundment actions, which means that even if it were repealed entirely, presidential impoundment of the Nixonian kind Trump describes would … still be illegal.


In fact, one consequence of the 1974 law was to effectively grant presidents slightly more authority to sometimes withhold funding. (Basically, it created a process for presidents to temporarily not spend money, provided they formally request congressional amendments to rescind funding in existing laws.)
So if anything, the statutory change Trump proposes would do the opposite of what he wants. That is, it would reduce his authority to impound money, not expand it. (Hey, no one ever mistook Trump for a great legal mind.)

In any event, Trump is telegraphing to Congress that he plans a constitutional showdown. Regardless of what courts have decided in the past, and despite what our founding documents say, he believes he personally deserves the power to set funding levels for the entire federal government.


When asked about these plans, many Republican lawmakers have basically shrugged. Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.), chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, told my Post colleagues that impoundment was simply a “tool in the toolbox” for reducing spending.
Perhaps that shouldn’t be surprising. Legislators have willingly ceded other constitutional duties before, including declaring war and regulating commerce with foreign nations. Trump’s plans to seize spending authority would satisfy both his desire to grab power and Congress’s desire to cede it.
Everybody wins! Except democracy, that is.
 
The best-known of those cases — Train v. City of New York, filed after Nixon refused to spend Clean Water Act money on water and sewer systems — made it to the Supreme Court. Every justice agreed that the president’s personal policy preferences could not override appropriations mandated by Congress.
There's the out. Trump could count on a 5-4 vote in his favor.
 
This year’s deficit already over $1.5 trillion and your worry is the President might spend less?

Over $4500 in new debt for every man, woman, and child in this country, that we’ll carry interest expense on from now until forever, just this year.

Two year Treasury is auctioning with 4.75% interest rate.
That means this year’s deficit, just so far, is creating an additional expense over 70 billion dollars annually, just to feed Wall Street for loaning Uncle Sugar this slice of money.

But the president might spend less!

The horror.
 
This year’s deficit already over $1.5 trillion and your worry is the President might spend less?

Over $4500 in new debt for every man, woman, and child in this country, that we’ll carry interest expense on from now until forever, just this year.

Two year Treasury is auctioning with 4.75% interest rate.
That means this year’s deficit, just so far, is creating an additional expense over 70 billion dollars annually, just to feed Wall Street for loaning Uncle Sugar this slice of money.

But the president might spend less!

The horror.

Do you really think Trump will spend less? He wants to cut taxes AGAIN, which will add more to the debt...the W and Trump tax cuts are a 1/3 of the debt by themselves
 
Do you really think Trump will spend less?

What is the complaint of the article?
That the president might not spend money allocated by Congress.

He wants to cut taxes AGAIN,
When I ask you whether you want higher rates or higher collections, you don’t answer.

We had historically high tax collections after the Trump tax changes.

But you care for some reason (I don’t know what it is, because you never answer) more about the rate, than the collections.
 
This year’s deficit already over $1.5 trillion and your worry is the President might spend less?

Over $4500 in new debt for every man, woman, and child in this country, that we’ll carry interest expense on from now until forever, just this year.

Two year Treasury is auctioning with 4.75% interest rate.
That means this year’s deficit, just so far, is creating an additional expense over 70 billion dollars annually, just to feed Wall Street for loaning Uncle Sugar this slice of money.

But the president might spend less!

The horror.
Your cult leader raised the debt more than any other president in history by trillions.
 
Your cult leader raised the debt more than any other president in history by trillions.
Trump conspiring with Schumer and Pelosi to get rid of the debt ceiling and rack up trillions more in debt are one of the few things Democrats supported during the Trump administration.
It’s inarguable.

And yet here is this article, threatening us with the prospect of a president who might spend less.

The horror.
 
What is the complaint of the article?
That the president might not spend money allocated by Congress.


When I ask you whether you want higher rates or higher collections, you don’t answer.

We had historically high tax collections after the Trump tax changes.

But you care for some reason (I don’t know what it is, because you never answer) more about the rate, than the collections.

No, it said he wanted the authority to decide what he wanted to spend, which also could mean he could cancel one program and spend that money elsewhere and I've said many times taxes should be higher
 
Trump conspiring with Schumer and Pelosi to get rid of the debt ceiling and rack up trillions more in debt are one of the few things Democrats supported during the Trump administration.
It’s inarguable.

And yet here is this article, threatening us with the prospect of a president who might spend less.

The horror.

I suppose the big tax cut that trump got through for his wealthy friends that cost two trillion bucks didn't bother you. He was the president not Schumer or Pelosi.
 
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This year’s deficit already over $1.5 trillion and your worry is the President might spend less?

Over $4500 in new debt for every man, woman, and child in this country, that we’ll carry interest expense on from now until forever, just this year.

Two year Treasury is auctioning with 4.75% interest rate.
That means this year’s deficit, just so far, is creating an additional expense over 70 billion dollars annually, just to feed Wall Street for loaning Uncle Sugar this slice of money.

But the president might spend less!

The horror.
Intentionally trying to miss the point?
 
Donald Trump hasn’t won a second term yet, but he’s already preparing to constitutionally nuke Congress. So far, lawmakers in his party seem to be welcoming their own obliteration.
Trump’s allies sometimes say the presumed Republican presidential nominee should be taken “seriously but not literally.” For instance, when he declared he’d be a “dictator” just on “Day One” of his second term, he didn’t literally mean a dictator; he’s just a tough leader who knows how to get things done.


Sign up for Democracy, Refreshed, a newsletter series on how to renovate the republic.

The problem with this charitable interpretation is that Trump does, quite literally, plan to seize powers that our Constitution does not afford to presidents. He’s been laying down the groundwork to do so, including lately through the federal budget process.

In recent months, Trump has said explicitly that sometimes he won’t spend money the way Congress — which controls power of the purse, per the Constitution — instructs him to. He and his advisers have described plans to use “impoundment,” a technical term meaning to withhold funds that Congress has appropriated for specific purposes.


“Restoring the Impoundment Power,” Trump’s campaign website says, will help “stop unnecessary spending” and “crush the Deep State.” Perhaps those sound like reasonable outcomes to fans of small government — who could object to a bit of penny-pinching here and there?


What it would mean in practice, though, is more troubling: Trump could unilaterally zero out any program he doesn’t like, or whose recipient has angered him, regardless of Congress’s instructions.

Based on comments the candidate and his aides have made recently, Trump’s targets for budgetary nuking include clean-energy subsidies, international aid programs and funding for the World Health Organization. He told Fox News last week that he might cut the entire Education Department, Interior Department and “the environmental agencies,” too.

Advertisement



http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...c_magnet-op2024elections_inline_collection_18

Given Trump’s attacks on the safety net last time he was president, it also would not be surprising if he tried to unilaterally chop funding for other programs, such as Medicaid or nutritional assistance for babies and pregnant women in low-income households. Nor would Trump shock anyone if he were to use this power to exact vengeance, as when he threatened to withhold lifesaving pandemic assistance unless “ungrateful” governors groveled before him.
To be clear: This would all be illegal.

Trump has tried withholding congressionally appropriated funds before. Remember when he withheld aid to Ukraine because he wanted President Volodymyr Zelensky to do him a “favor” (provide incriminating evidence about the Biden family)? That was an illegal impoundment, the Government Accountability Office determined.


Former president Richard M. Nixon also (unsuccessfully) tried to impound spending, many times. Like Trump, Nixon believed he had the power to reshape policy and funding decisions — congressional statutes and constitutional checks and balances be damned.
Nixon’s impoundment measures were challenged in federal court. Every time courts ruled on the merits, they decided against him, according to Georgetown University law professor David Super. The best-known of those cases — Train v. City of New York, filed after Nixon refused to spend Clean Water Act money on water and sewer systems — made it to the Supreme Court. Every justice agreed that the president’s personal policy preferences could not override appropriations mandated by Congress.

Trump says he has a plan for getting around these inconvenient precedents: It involves convincing Congress to roll back a 1974 law known as the Impoundment Control Act. But that law was passed after Nixon’s impoundment actions, which means that even if it were repealed entirely, presidential impoundment of the Nixonian kind Trump describes would … still be illegal.


In fact, one consequence of the 1974 law was to effectively grant presidents slightly more authority to sometimes withhold funding. (Basically, it created a process for presidents to temporarily not spend money, provided they formally request congressional amendments to rescind funding in existing laws.)
So if anything, the statutory change Trump proposes would do the opposite of what he wants. That is, it would reduce his authority to impound money, not expand it. (Hey, no one ever mistook Trump for a great legal mind.)

In any event, Trump is telegraphing to Congress that he plans a constitutional showdown. Regardless of what courts have decided in the past, and despite what our founding documents say, he believes he personally deserves the power to set funding levels for the entire federal government.


When asked about these plans, many Republican lawmakers have basically shrugged. Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.), chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, told my Post colleagues that impoundment was simply a “tool in the toolbox” for reducing spending.
Perhaps that shouldn’t be surprising. Legislators have willingly ceded other constitutional duties before, including declaring war and regulating commerce with foreign nations. Trump’s plans to seize spending authority would satisfy both his desire to grab power and Congress’s desire to cede it.
Everybody wins! Except democracy, that is.
I see bins laughed. People like him need to read about Project 2025 and what their goals are AND that they are ACTUALLY ACHIEVABLE, no matter how many people bury their heads in the sand.
 
This year’s deficit already over $1.5 trillion and your worry is the President might spend less?

Over $4500 in new debt for every man, woman, and child in this country, that we’ll carry interest expense on from now until forever, just this year.

Two year Treasury is auctioning with 4.75% interest rate.
That means this year’s deficit, just so far, is creating an additional expense over 70 billion dollars annually, just to feed Wall Street for loaning Uncle Sugar this slice of money.

But the president might spend less!

The horror.
Thank you Republicans for not allowing to reverse the Trump tax cuts for the wealthy that stopped Biden for having a budget paid for. Someday maybe you guys will learn this simple stuff. Before you say Biden had all 3 houses, there's a thing called the filibuster, not to mention Sinema and Manchin wouldn't hurt their big donors. That's what you meant...thank you Republicans.
 
What is the complaint of the article?
That the president might not spend money allocated by Congress.


When I ask you whether you want higher rates or higher collections, you don’t answer.

We had historically high tax collections after the Trump tax changes.

But you care for some reason (I don’t know what it is, because you never answer) more about the rate, than the collections.
What??

 
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I guarantee you, Trump wants to bleed this country dry - all to enrich himself. He has revenge on his mind, and he wants payback in the form of taking every single penny he can from ALL of the American people. That means you too, MAGA. That means you too, Republicans. That means you too "I'm not voting for Trump or Biden" people. ALL OF US.

Anybody that cannot see this is completely and irrevocably blind.
 
Including the 2-3 trillion the tax cuts cost?
Seriously?

When did the D’s try to repeal the Trump tax cuts when they were in total control the first 2 years of Joes administration.

They could have used reconciliation to eliminate them…that’s how the R’s passed them.
 
Seriously?

When did the D’s try to repeal the Trump tax cuts when they were in total control the first 2 years of Joes administration.

They could have used reconciliation to eliminate them…that’s how the R’s passed them.

Oh, I agree they should've been, couldn't the Rs have filler buster though?
 
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Trump conspiring with Schumer and Pelosi to get rid of the debt ceiling and rack up trillions more in debt are one of the few things Democrats supported during the Trump administration.
It’s inarguable.

And yet here is this article, threatening us with the prospect of a president who might spend less.

The horror.
Cult leader has you completely if you believe he will spend less. He will cut here to o spend more there.
LOL someone doesn't know how to read charts. I kinda expected that. Look at the chart that show deficit for Trump years (hint they are huge) vs Biden years.
 
Deficit-by-president.jpeg
 
This year’s deficit already over $1.5 trillion and your worry is the President might spend less?

Over $4500 in new debt for every man, woman, and child in this country, that we’ll carry interest expense on from now until forever, just this year.

Two year Treasury is auctioning with 4.75% interest rate.
That means this year’s deficit, just so far, is creating an additional expense over 70 billion dollars annually, just to feed Wall Street for loaning Uncle Sugar this slice of money.

But the president might spend less!

The horror.
So you are saying you are ok with a dictatorship if spending is lowered?
 
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