If I had predicted that Iowa was going to beat OSU 28-3 would that have been a lie?
Trump threatens to sue Iowa pollster, newspaper
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I worked for Gannett for years, including at the Register and directly with the Iowa Poll. You're talking about things you don't understand.
There have also been many attorneys and pundits who have come out denouncing the ABC news payment and saying they shouldn't have caved. And if you think $15 million is wild, wait until you hear what Fox paid in its voting/defamation cases.
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That is a lie. A White Nationalist was prosecuted, and convicted, for election fraud by deliberating tricking 4900 people into thinking they had voted online, thus disenfranchising them in a criminal scheme.
I've found it's always the little bitchboys who call other people little bitchboys. It's always projection from the left... ALWAYS.
They might eventually put money into a non-profit for a presidential library that will never be built.
That was a mistake, you can never give into a bully.
Sean Hannity told him they were prosecuted for making fun of Biden through memes. So that is HIS truth.
She is one middle aged pollster, working for a nondescript newspaper, located in a small Midwestern fly over state,.. She had no ability to manipulate an election.
This can be expected from CRAZY Filthy Don, the sick prick who didn't like his poll numbers.
Oh yeah. Sue! Sue! Sue! That’s really acting like a man ain’t it?
So a woman with a historically excellent reputation as a pollster decides out of the blue to post a poll less than a week before the election, well after millions of votes have already been cast to manipulate an election?
And succeeds so completely that Trump not only won, but won the popular vote as well?
I'll bet you $1000 there is no private cause of action under Iowa law for "election interference."
Seriously though, while I've not been able to see the complaint, it's being reported as a consumer fraud claim. So, Selzer posts a poll, which is essentially a statistical compilation of opinions, and it turns out to be wrong. Even wildly so. So setting aside whether there's even any plausible 'deceptive' act buried in there, the consumer fraud claim applies to deceptive acts in connection with the sale of goods or services. What, pray tell, was the good or service that someone was duped into buying? And even more specifically, what was the good or service Trump was duped into buying? (Oh, and relatedly, did he fold up his tent in Iowa? I doubt this article induced him to do anything.)
So sure, bullshit strike suits get filed all the time, and sometimes people settle them on a cost/benefit basis since lawyers cost money. But newspapers -- not to mention their insurance companies who hold liability policies covering other papers - tend to not be too worried about shying away from this sort of fight. Again, Rule 11.
no doubt. while Im absolutely not a fan of using legal process to intimidate (especially if it's a public entity doing so), the reality is government tries to intimidate all the time both using legal process in ordinary enforcement matters and using 'other' levers available to it. Have we forgotten how the west wing communicated with media tech a few years back?
If you're swimming with the sharks, jumping ugly in court is just a cost of doing businesss
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You are full of shit. No one should be in favor of what the government did in that case.
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You are full of shit. No one should be in favor of what the government did in that case.
Was he, or was he not, specifically charged with tricking people into thinking they had voted when they had not?
I guess she can find out. Or maybe the government can prosecute her under section 241 or the enforcement across of 1870. You know the law that the justice department cracked open and used in a manner it has never been used to prosecute a guy for posting a meme.
Was he, or was he not, specifically charged with tricking people into thinking they had voted when they had not?
Our both sides posters will be here soon to tell us this isn't an attack on democracy.
last i checked, this is a lawsuit by trump in his personal capacity and has nothing to do with criminal enforcement matters, which of course would be even sillier.
Everyday for the next four years will be like this. Trump will do nothing about inflation. He won't fix anything. All we will get is crap like this. Lawsuits and revenge to protect his personal name.
Or Iowa could just pass anti-SLAPP laws like the reasonable states have done.
Like prosecuting a satirical meme kind of silly? I agree. Chilling affect on speech
However if she did deliberately cook the books to interfere in an election that would be problematic.
I mean we probably shouldn't start down the road of using civil actions to approach potentially criminal matters right? That would truly be a slippery slope if people were to do that. I mean someone could be found liable and be painted as a criminal. Or even if they aren't found liable the process of defending oneself against claims like these could be considered a punishment as well right?
Good thing we don't do that as a country right?
Weird. Maybe Iowa could change a law with the specific purpose of pursuing a political adversary and then change it right back after a case is brought to court. That would be wrong wouldn't it?
He's not a bully, he's the King-Elect. He is your ruler for the next 4 years + years until he dies.
It's gonna be such a great next 7-8 years or however long until King Trump passes away.
Poll proved to be very off, enough to suspect something fishy. But sue her for it? You won. The poll was just a poll. Who cares?
There's something of a responsibility to the public to get it right, or at least be within the margin of error. It's okay to be wrong, it's not a crime to be wrong, Which is why he's threating to sue which his a civil action not a criminal one.
The paper has a responsibility to check their work before it goes to print/release. I don't think Trump has a case here because he ended up winning so he wasn't harmed.
He's your president for the next 4+ years. I hope he smashes as much down your throat in those 4 years as he can.
Trump is probably done with being president after 4 years. That won't stop him from being "vice president" for another 8 after that though.. or maybe the right should respond to the left's attempts at throwing away the electoral college. If they're throwing ideas like that out there why don't Republicans pass a bill to end the two term limit for president? Tit for tat.
Much tougher than sleepy joe or tampon Tim at least
A newspaper has no little to no legal responsibility to get anything right, unless it is defamatory or fraudulent. And here, even if one were to somehow construe this as part of some grand fraudulent conspiracy to put some hope-juice into democratic voters in the run-up to election day, that is not actionable at any level. Indeed, particularly so given that a paper, through something called its 'editorial page', can literally endorse a candidate and encourage voters to vote for him/her.
As you note, the only thing damaged here was Selzer's reputation, whether accidentally or purposefully.
Don’t worry about me, I’ll be just fine under a Trump Administration. I’m the GOP’s target demographic, except that I have a brain and a base level of ethics and often care about what happens to others even if it doesn’t affect me personally.
4+? So, you are in the "the 22nd amendment" doesn't exist group too, eh? I mean, if we can just ignore the Constitution whenever it is convenient then what's the point on even having one?
Well, he's basically running the country now. Meeting with world leaders, etc. He's your president now as far as I'm concerned.
