Trump unlimited terms….

[Hoosierhawkeye]

How can you so easily ignore what Trump and The Heritage Foundation are telling us? They literally were attempting to steal 2020 with their fake electors. The SC just helped pave the way for what you say can’t happen. You think we’re all supposed to take your word for it when national historians and Constitutional legal scholars are saying the opposite? Sorry but I’m listening to them. Some are Republicans. I choose them over the serial liar and his supporters. Wake up.

I don't need a constitutional legal scholar or historian to tell me what I see plainly in front of my eyes.

A vote for Trump is a vote for authoritarianism and 80% of the people voting for Trump know it and want it. No matter how much they gaslight us and try to pretend like fake elector schemes, trying to delay certifications and asking your vice president to throw out votes is normal.

 

[Tom Paris]

I don't need a constitutional legal scholar or historian to tell me what I see plainly in front of my eyes.

A vote for Trump is a vote for authoritarianism and 80% of the people voting for Trump know it and want it. No matter how much they gaslight us and try to pretend like fake elector schemes, trying to delay certifications and asking your vice president to throw out votes is normal.

I totally agree but they back up my beliefs. These other guys have crooks as their truth tellers. It’s insane, using no logic or common sense.

 

[zappaa]

It will never happen. Just like Trump becoming the GOP nominee and Roe v Wade in jeopardy, it's just leftist fear mongering.

Did abortions stop?

 

[artradley]

How can you so easily ignore what Trump and The Heritage Foundation are telling us? They literally were attempting to steal 2020 with their fake electors. The SC just helped pave the way for what you say can’t happen. You think we’re all supposed to take your word for it when national historians and Constitutional legal scholars are saying the opposite? Sorry but I’m listening to them. Some are Republicans. I choose them over the serial liar and his supporters. Wake up.

Look at what is happening in Nevada right now:

In a first, Republican majority on a Nevada county commission refuses to certify election

The Washoe County Commission certifies elections in the evenly split Reno area. Republican commissioners just voted against certifying a result.

www.usatoday.com

These vile people know no bottom. As bad as the national level GOP has become, at the state and local level the GOP is completely rogue and the numbskulls in this thread pretend everything is fine.

 

[artradley]

Did abortions stop?

Moving the goalposts to another time zone…

 

[zappaa]

Look at what is happening in Nevada right now:

In a first, Republican majority on a Nevada county commission refuses to certify election

The Washoe County Commission certifies elections in the evenly split Reno area. Republican commissioners just voted against certifying a result.

www.usatoday.com

These vile people know no bottom. As bad as the national level GOP has become, at the state and local level the GOP is completely rogue and the numbskulls in this thread pretend everything is fine.

Playing golf and looking forward to football season.
Family is healthy and having a ball this summer.
I’m a staunch conservative and everything is wonderful, especially after we close our border from an invasion of illegal migrants and defeat leftist Marxism

 

[swagsurfer02]

Just because we have guns don't mean that civilians are going to be rushing to use them.

Bloodless coups are easier especially in developed nations.

Trump likely would not have gotten enough people to pick up arms and try to overthrow the government by force. So you just do it from the inside by manipulating the levers of power to keep you in office when the votes and the law say you shouldn't.

That is clearly what he tried to do. Hitler did the same thing. Got power and manipulated the levers of power to give him absolute power. And he did it without even having a absolute majority in the legislature.

The MAGA cult sucks.

You said “Trump likely would not have gotten enough people to pick up arms and try to overthrow the government by force.”

Not only could he not get enough people to pick arms, January 6th shows us he couldn’t even get one person to do so.

That cult isn’t very committed

 

[SI_NYC]

I’ve been reading some threads here tonight and some posters believe that Trump will stay in office past a second term. Is this a well known belief and is it possible that Vegas would have some action on this?

When you try to overturn the election results then start a riot at the Capitol by trying again to to overturn the election through force, most sane people aren't very trusting that you have good intentions.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

The MAGA cult sucks.

You said “Trump likely would not have gotten enough people to pick up arms and try to overthrow the government by force.”

Not only could he not get enough people to pick arms, January 6th shows us he couldn’t even get one person to do so.

That cult isn’t very committed

Not in terms of giving up their lives. . . Not very many people are that committed to something.

But what is still scary is how committed they are to allowing Trump to be an authoritarian leader. To help him move the levers of power to become that leader.

No one ever tried half the shit that Trump and the GOP have tried in the last 8 years in order to secure power for themselves.

When Nixon got up to what he did at some point when the evidence became so clear his own party turned against him and he chose resignation over impeachment/removal. Trump has gone far further than Nixon ever dreamed.

 

[swagsurfer02]

When you try to overturn the election results then start a riot at the Capitol by trying again to to overturn the election through force, most sane people aren't very trusting that you have good intentions.

No sarcasm, how would one actually do that (be president for 3 terms). You can’t just say “I’m running again”. It doesn’t work that way.

 

[swagsurfer02]

Not in terms of giving up their lives. . . Not very many people are that committed to something.

But what is still scary is how committed they are to allowing Trump to be an authoritarian leader. To help him move the levers of power to become that leader.

No one ever tried half the shit that Trump and the GOP have tried in the last 8 years in order to secure power for themselves.

When Nixon got up to what he did at some point when the evidence became so clear his own party turned against him and he chose resignation over impeachment/removal. Trump has gone far further than Nixon ever dreamed.

When I think of cults, giving up their lives are exactly the examples I think of. Jim Jones, David Koresh, Heavens Gate folks….list goes on but you get the point

Those are people so sold out for the cause they will go to any extent including sacrificing their lives. MAGA is a wing of the Republican group that prefers Trump over other republicans.

 

[SI_NYC]

No sarcasm, how would one actually do that (be president for 3 terms). You can’t just say “I’m running again”. It doesn’t work that way.

It's happened to most countries at some point in their histories. I'm sure there are many ways to achieve a dictatorship. One of the ways is to get rid of all bureaucrats, something that Trump states he will do with all 'Rogue bureaucrats' or in other words anyone who doesn't go along with what Trump wants.

 

[seminole97]

That well exceeds my proposition and you know it.

I said a number of states would put him on the ballot or at least try. Which means there will be numerous and serious efforts to put him on the ballot in several states. I would even add that Trump would enthusiastically support those efforts.

That is my bet. We have to define “several” and we have to define “serious effort.” His enthusiastic support I feel so safe about I don’t require a metric.

I’ll make it easy.
Trump won’t be on any state’s ballot for the 2028 presidential election.
Any attempt to do so will get stopped by the courts.

 

[Tom Paris]

Did abortions stop?

Jesus Christ. You’re adding a layer of obtuseness that I never thought was possible.

 

[Tom Paris]

Look at what is happening in Nevada right now:

In a first, Republican majority on a Nevada county commission refuses to certify election

The Washoe County Commission certifies elections in the evenly split Reno area. Republican commissioners just voted against certifying a result.

www.usatoday.com

These vile people know no bottom. As bad as the national level GOP has become, at the state and local level the GOP is completely rogue and the numbskulls in this thread pretend everything is fine.

Because they support it.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

When I think of cults, giving up their lives are exactly the examples I think of. Jim Jones, David Koresh, Heavens Gate folks….list goes on but you get the point

Those are people so sold out for the cause they will go to any extent including sacrificing their lives. MAGA is a wing of the Republican group that prefers Trump over other republicans.

Cults have a lot of features and being loyal to the point of suicide isn't necessarily one of them. But identifying markers often include a unquestioned leader who can do just about anything and be excused for it. Trump's cult fits that bill perfectly.

This is a guy who's cheated on 3 different wives, divorced twice and slept with at least 2 porn stars and somehow commands the loyalty of people who consider themselves to be "values voters".

He attempted a coup and his followers gaslight us and try to tell us that wasn't what that was.

Donald Trump's coup would be considered a self-coup or a constitutional coup. Wikipedia considers it to be a self-coup but it certainly has elements of a constitutional coup in it, attempting to take advantage of ambiguities in the system. Many of those ambiguities still exist. Some could be said to have been cleared up by the Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022. However the SCOTUS could simply declare that act to be unconstitutional if they want to make Donald Trump or his chosen successor president despite the vote counts.

Self-coup - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Constitutional coup - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Tom Paris]

No sarcasm, how would one actually do that (be president for 3 terms). You can’t just say “I’m running again”. It doesn’t work that way.

It does when all the power is in your hands. The SCOTUS literally just made this concept easier. It’s being set up to happen here and millions will be fine with it and millions more don’t think it can happen. A lot of Germans thought that also.

 

[Tom Paris]

I’ll make it easy.
Trump won’t be on any state’s ballot for the 2028 presidential election.
Any attempt to do so will get stopped by the courts.

Sure. We should just believe you…even though I know you would LOVE for it to happen.

 

[swagsurfer02]

It's happened to most countries at some point in their histories. I'm sure there are many ways to achieve a dictatorship. One of the ways is to get rid of all bureaucrats, something that Trump states he will do with all 'Rogue bureaucrats' or in other words anyone who doesn't go along with what Trump wants.

Tell you the truth, I’m not a fan of bureaucrats. They seem not to answer to anyone. Let’s face it, the American people are lazy and have short attention spans. They vote mainly off name recognition or what letter is besides the persons name.

I think there are plenty of rogue bureaucrats who have their own fiefdoms and agendas. I personally would like to see a lot of it cleaned up. Hell I worked in the public sector for about 5 years and saw it first hand. After I left some stories came out about my particular department that were posted on this very message board. All I could do was nod in agreement with about 90% of the stuff that was written. It was a septic tank.

 

[torbee]

No sarcasm, how would one actually do that (be president for 3 terms). You can’t just say “I’m running again”. It doesn’t work that way.

Start by undermining American's trust in elections. (check)

Follow up by insinuating there is a "deep state" bureacracy that is actually running the country, not elected leaders (check)

Then call any election result that goes against you "rigged" and part of the deep state conspiracy to undermine the will of the people. (check)

Start testing the waters about how much your supporters would be OK with you being an authoritarian, even if at first doing it sort of jokingly (check)

Float the idea of going past two terms, once again in a half-serious manner, but use it as a barometer to gauge reaction. (check)

Have your party-friendly Supreme Court take away long-established guardrails against an imperial presidency. (check)

If you don't see the direction this is trending, you have not been paying good enough attention IMO.

 

[swagsurfer02]

It does when all the power is in your hands. The SCOTUS literally just made this concept easier. It’s being set up to happen here and millions will be fine with it and millions more don’t think it can happen. A lot of Germans thought that also.

What’s silly is that you actually believe that SCOTUS all absolutely agrees with the person who put them in that position. I bet ideologically the justices appointed by conservatives presidents on the bench don’t nearly agree as much as the justices appointed by the liberal presidents.

Ask me how I know, because you have conservatives from different groups absolutely furious at some of the rulings that ACB and Kennedy have made. Trust me, the “right” side of the aisle is not some monolith.

 

[gohawks50]

No sarcasm, how would one actually do that (be president for 3 terms). You can’t just say “I’m running again”. It doesn’t work that way.

I'm sure there are creative ways around that pesky election problem. Like declare a state of emergency putting all elections on hold.

 

[boxahawks]

I don’t support the extra terms, but I can’t help but wonder how many posters here would have supported extra terms for Obama. Probably most of my ignore list and a lot more.
In this case it’s more about the person than the law methinks.

 

[artradley]

The text of the 22nd amendment to the U.S. Constitution makes this crystal clear:

"1: No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."

But for you conspiracy theorists, this is how Trump would get around it. In 2028 Trump runs as a VP candidate, and then the elected president, in a pre-planned event, steps down immediately after he is sworn in. Voila, you have 4 more years of President Trump.*

* For the record, I think that this fear is completely nonsensical.

Just to be clear, those of us who claim Trump will TRY to get a third term aren't conspiracy theorists, because it doesn't qualify as a conspiracy. It would be simply a blatant, clumsy, transparent attempt to usurp the 22nd amendment. Just like there is no conspiracy going on in Nevada right now. It's simply some officials blatantly and dishonestly refusing to certify election results. Indeed, it is MAGA nation who are the conspiracy theorists - believing in massive cheating throughout the country.

 

[artradley]

No sarcasm, how would one actually do that (be president for 3 terms). You can’t just say “I’m running again”. It doesn’t work that way.

Actually, with MAGA that is exactly how it works.

 

[fsu1jreed]

The MAGA cult sucks.

You said “Trump likely would not have gotten enough people to pick up arms and try to overthrow the government by force.”

Not only could he not get enough people to pick arms, January 6th shows us he couldn’t even get one person to do so.

That cult isn’t very committed

Are you fvcking stupid? Well, you do support Trimp

 

[swagsurfer02]

Start by undermining American's trust in elections. (check)

Follow up by insinuating there is a "deep state" bureacracy that is actually running the country, not elected leaders (check)

You know the longer Biden stays in and continues to struggle and show he can’t possibly do the job that these “conspiracies” are going to get stronger and stronger

Then call any election result that goes against you "rigged" and part of the deep state conspiracy to undermine the will of the people. (check)

Have you seen this happen anywhere else besides the 2020 presidential election?

Start testing the waters about how much your supporters would be OK with you being an authoritarian, even if at first doing it sort of jokingly (check)

Float the idea of going past two terms, once again in a half-serious manner, but use it as a barometer to gauge reaction. (check)

I think those are your own personal fears which is fine but the serving more than two terms is not something that one side has feared from the other just recently

Have your party-friendly Supreme Court take away long-established guardrails against an imperial presidency. (check)

The immunity on official presidential acts. There are guardrails, they just kicked it down to the lower courts to make the definition of official acts. This one, I actually agree with you on. However when it first came out you had people calling on the current POTUS to assassinated the previous POTUS

If you don't see the direction this is trending, you have not been paying good enough attention IMO.

 

[swagsurfer02]

Are you fvcking stupid? Well, you do support Trimp

I can’t answer this. I tend not to associate with lunatics. You have this Chis thing about you.

 

[artradley]

I’ll make it easy.
Trump won’t be on any state’s ballot for the 2028 presidential election.
Any attempt to do so will get stopped by the courts.

So you don't deny there could be serious efforts, in multiple states, to get Trump on the ballot. Serious enough that in some cases people will actually take it to a court.

If that happens, my prediction is correct.

 

[fsu1jreed]

Start by undermining American's trust in elections. (check)

Follow up by insinuating there is a "deep state" bureacracy that is actually running the country, not elected leaders (check)

Then call any election result that goes against you "rigged" and part of the deep state conspiracy to undermine the will of the people. (check)

Start testing the waters about how much your supporters would be OK with you being an authoritarian, even if at first doing it sort of jokingly (check)

Float the idea of going past two terms, once again in a half-serious manner, but use it as a barometer to gauge reaction. (check)

Have your party-friendly Supreme Court take away long-established guardrails against an imperial presidency. (check)

If you don't see the direction this is trending, you have not been paying good enough attention IMO.

He doesn't have to pay attention, Trump just tells him what to believe

 

[swagsurfer02]

I'm sure there are creative ways around that pesky election problem. Like declare a state of emergency putting all elections on hold.

I’ve literally heard this on the right side of the aisle too. There’s more similarities than differences than anyone wants to admit.

 

[fsu1jreed]

I can’t answer this. I tend not to associate with lunatics. You have this Chis thing about you.

Uh huh...you have this cult thing about you, please seek help

 

[DFSNOLE]

Clever.

Now tell me how Trump could possibly accomplish such a feat. It's stupid fear mongering.

Tell me how a person with 34 felony convictions, found liable for business fraud and sexual assault, owing nearby a half a billion in judgements has almost universal support of nationally elected Republicans. That is what should cause fear among Americans.

 

[nelly02]

The text of the 22nd amendment to the U.S. Constitution makes this crystal clear:

"1: No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."

But for you conspiracy theorists, this is how Trump would get around it. In 2028 Trump runs as a VP candidate, and then the elected president, in a pre-planned event, steps down immediately after he is sworn in. Voila, you have 4 more years of President Trump.*

* For the record, I think that this fear is completely nonsensical.

What you aren't getting is the constitution means very little to MAGA anymore. You think this Supreme Court won't twist things around and "interpret" things so that they get their way? What have they done to show you they won't go there? If Trump does win they will be emboldened. They will definitely amplify the bullshit they have been pulling.

 

[Tom Paris]

What’s silly is that you actually believe that SCOTUS all absolutely agrees with the person who put them in that position. I bet ideologically the justices appointed by conservatives presidents on the bench don’t nearly agree as much as the justices appointed by the liberal presidents.

Ask me how I know, because you have conservatives from different groups absolutely furious at some of the rulings that ACB and Kennedy have made. Trust me, the “right” side of the aisle is not some monolith.

Yet they all voted to knock down guardrails that protect us from authoritarianism. Torbee explained it well above.

 

[gohawks50]

I’ve literally heard this on the right side of the aisle too. There’s more similarities than differences than anyone wants to admit.

If Trump hadn't tried to stay in power after losing the last election I would agree with you that it's a conspiracy theory. However, after fake electors, asking governors to find him more votes, pressuring Pence to not certify the election, etc. their is enough evidence based on past behavior to believe he would try again.

Hopefully, the American people will vote against Trump in November and this won't be a concern.

 

[Tom Paris]

I don’t support the extra terms, but I can’t help but wonder how many posters here would have supported extra terms for Obama. Probably most of my ignore list and a lot more.
In this case it’s more about the person than the law methinks.

Nope. I’m sure I’m on ignore but I think like Cheney does on this.

 

[nelly02]

No sarcasm, how would one actually do that (be president for 3 terms). You can’t just say “I’m running again”. It doesn’t work that way.

He'll make up some bs lawsuit about how the world still needs him or he was screwed in 2020 and deserves another term. It gets to SCOTUS and you have the people who keep interpreting the constitution how best fits them say " You know trumps right. Clearly the people who wrote the 22nd didn't see these circumstances coming. We declare Trump can run again but only in this instance no one else"

 

[Tom Paris]

What you aren't getting is the constitution means very little to MAGA anymore. You think this Supreme Court won't twist things around and "interpret" things so that they get their way? What have they done to show you they won't go there? If Trump does win they will be emboldened. They will definitely amplify the bullshit they have been pulling.

Yep…because they were put in those positions for a reason and it’s not for the good of the many.

 

[boxahawks]

Nope. I’m sure I’m on ignore but I think like Cheney does on this.

No Tom, we don’t agree on politics but you’re generally civil which keeps you from that dreaded list.