Not sure why they won't take you up on your bet. Maybe because they know they are wrong?
Trump unlimited terms….
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Not true….see SC and Colorado this Spring. Trump will have his Justice Department working overtime to figure out a way he can circumvent the intent of thre Constitution……he owns the Suprem Court…and many Federal Court judges……He gets his foot in the door and all things (including an end to the nation as we know iot) is possible.
What will you consider still in the WH? You’re definitions are much more suspect than mine.
Physically inside the place, still using it as residence, still President.
I'm not trying to make it a trick.
It's as straightforward as can be. If you believe a Trump victory this November is the 'end of democracy', this is a slam dunk bet for you to take.
Do you really believe it?
Ok, now we just have to agree on a timeline.
If he’s in the WH a moment past Jan 20, 2029, at 12:00 Noon I win. Right?
Of course I won’t make that bet, because I estimate the odds are less than 50% and because you’ve moved the bet well past what I said:
“Do you honestly believe there wouldn't be a number of red states that would be willing to put him on the ballot? Or that there will not be a genuine push to do so?”
That’s when you offered to make that wager. Based on that, all I need to win is for several red states to make a genuine effort to put him on the ballot. And I even offered to let you define the metrics for defining “several” or “genuine effort.” And I even put in a kicker that Trump would be enthusiastically supporting the effort, Up yku refuse to respond to that, no doubt because you know the odds are I’m right.
Read the thread.
You responded to my wager. I didn't 'move the bet'.
I wrote:
Elections are run by the States.
He won’t be on the ballots because he’d be ineligible.
If you genuinely believe otherwise, let’s make a bet.
That's two different things. Some people may be 'willing' and may make a 'genuine push', but he won't be on the November ballot in 2028 if he wins this November.
Both subjective 'willing' and 'genuine' are just weasel words.
I offered a bet on an objective fact that we can have anyone verify.
And of course you won't accept, because you don't actually believe the fear mongering.
I already reposted what I wrote and your response.
Here is my metric: A "genuine effort" means he is on the ballot in November 2028 even if he wins this November.
If you believe his election is the 'end of democracy' and that he'll have 'unlimited terms' (you know, the ****ing thread title), this is an easy bet.
But you don't actually believe that.
Lol! There is a big friggin difference between making an effort an succeeding, you’re not even trying to be a little bit honest.
You know I’m right, so you keep offering bets on things I didn’t say.
Because you know he will try. And you know he will have lots of support.
Can you acknowledge that it was I who first offered a bet?
It would not surprise me if millions of people want him to be president for a third term.
I'm 100% positive that millions of people would want Obama to be president for a third term.
I'm also 100% positive that if Trump wins this November, he won't be on the ballot in November 2028.
The 'unlimited terms' thing is just fear mongering.
You know it, so you won't accept the bet I first offered.
You offered me a bet on my claim that he would try, and serious efforts would be made to out him on the ballot.
What did Trump try to stay in office. He left as scheduled.
Do you think he encouraged pelosi to use the national guard to keep him in rather than to keep the Jan 6ers out?
Fake electors
Asked a Georgia Official to find him more votes
Pressured Pence not to certify the election
Timeline of Trump’s efforts to abuse the DOJ
November 7- CNN and other news networks project that Biden will win the 2020 presidential election.
- Breaking from long-standing Justice Department policy, Barr issues a directive giving federal prosecutors more leeway to ramp up voter fraud investigations. The move is controversial because – for decades – the Justice Department would wait until elections were certified before taking overt investigative steps, to avoid the appearance of trying to influence the results. The top election crimes prosecutor resigns in protest, and other prosecutors denounce Barr’s order.
- Trump attorneys Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell hold a bizarre news conference filled with lies about fraud and unhinged talk of a worldwide conspiracy to rig the election. Powell says, “A full-scale criminal investigation needs to be undertaken immediately by the Department of Justice.”
- In an interview with Fox News, Trump says it’s “inconceivable” that the Justice Department and FBI aren’t doing more to investigate his voter fraud allegations. “Where are they?” he asks.
- Barr tells The Associated Press in a bombshell interview that the Justice Department didn’t find widespread fraud. After the story is published, Trump confronts Barr in the White House. According to a book by Washington Post reporters Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker, an “explosive and crazed” Trump berates Barr for publicly admitting that there wasn’t widespread fraud. Barr tells Trump his campaign lawyers are a “clown show” and that his fraud claims are “complete nonsense.”
- Trump retweets a post from a Republican congressman who said Trump should order Barr to appoint a special prosecutor to “investigate irregularities in the 2020 election.”
- Trump’s assistant sends Deputy Attorney General Jeff Rosen a document about alleged irregularities in Michigan and says it’s “from POTUS,” according to emails released by the Senate Judiciary Committee. Later that day, while the Electoral College meets in state capitals, Trump announces that Barr will resign and Rosen will soon replace him in an acting capacity. CNN reported that Trump seriously considered firing Barr, but Barr decided to quit.
December 15
- Trump summons Rosen to the Oval Office and pressures him to take action regarding supposed irregularities in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Georgia, according to Rosen’s testimony to the Senate. Trump also urges Rosen to file legal briefs supporting GOP-backed election lawsuits and to appoint a special counsel to hunt for fraud, according to The New York Times. Rosen refuses to do Trump’s bidding.
- After failing to persuade Rosen, Trump turns to some of the most extreme members of his coterie, including Powell and retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn. (Powell represented Flynn in his criminal case for lying to the FBI about his Russian contacts. That case ended when Trump pardoned Flynn a few weeks before the White House meeting.) CNN reported that Flynn and Powell push Trump to consider declaring martial law or signing executive orders to seize voting equipment. Trump also thought about circumventing the Justice Department and naming Powell as a special counsel within the White House to investigate bizarre vote-rigging conspiracies.
- Trump falsely claims – yet again – that he won “in a landslide” and says “we need backing from the Justice Department” to uncover the supposed fraud and keep him in power.
- Barr officially resigns, and Rosen becomes acting attorney general.
- Trump meets with Jeffrey Clark, the acting assistant attorney general for the Civil Division, who later will play a key role in the effort to use the Justice Department to keep Trump in power.
- In a phone call, Trump tells Rosen to “make sure the (Justice) Department is really looking into” voter fraud claims in Pennsylvania and Arizona, according to Rosen’s testimony to the Senate.
Part 2
December 26
- In a series of tweets, Trump bashes the Justice Department and the FBI for having “done nothing” about supposed voter fraud. He says “history will remember” their inaction and promotes his upcoming rally in DC on January 6, when Congress will affirm the Electoral College results.
- Trump continues pleading with Rosen to intervene in the election. In a phone call, Trump tells Rosen and his deputy Richard Donoghue that they should “just say that the election was corrupt” and “leave the rest to me and the (GOP) congressmen,” according to Donoghue’s contemporaneous notes, which he later provided to the House Oversight Committee. Rosen informs Trump that the voter fraud allegations are unfounded and that the Justice Department “can’t, and won’t, just flip a switch and change the election.” After that, Trump mentions that he’s thinking about getting rid of Rosen and putting Clark in charge of the Justice Department.
- At Trump’s request, GOP Rep. Scott Perry of Pennsylvania later calls Donoghue and says the Justice Department isn’t doing enough about the election, according to the Senate report. Perry was one of the most vocal promoters of the “big lie” that the 2020 election was stolen.
- Trump calls Donoghue for a brief follow-up about his voter fraud claims, per the Senate report.
- Clark circulates a draft letter among Justice Department leadership that he wants to send to officials in Georgia. The letter would’ve done exactly what Trump wanted: It says prosecutors found “significant concerns” with the election results and urges the Republican governor to “immediately call a special session” of the state legislature to appoint pro-Trump electors. Clark calls this a “proof of concept” that could be replicated in other states Trump lost.
- Rosen and Donoghue refuse to sign the letter and it is never sent. In an email, Donoghue bluntly tells Clark that “there is no chance that I would sign this letter or anything remotely like this.”
- The Senate Judiciary Committee report concluded that “Clark’s proposal to wield DOJ’s power to override the already-certified popular vote reflected a stunning distortion of DOJ’s authority.”
- Separately, Trump meets with a supportive attorney, Kurt Olsen. Trump directs Olsen to get in touch with top Justice Department officials about filing a lawsuit that would nullify the results from several key states that Biden won, according to emails released by the Senate Judiciary Committee. Olsen later has a phone call with Rosen’s chief of staff about the potential suit.
- According to internal emails made public in the Senate report, Clark starts promoting pro-Trump conspiracy theories within the Justice Department, including the absurd claim that Chinese spies used thermometers to tamper with US voting machines.
- Trump’s assistant sends a draft lawsuit to Rosen, saying Trump wants him to review it, according to emails released by the Senate Judiciary Committee. The lawsuit, which was peddled by Olsen, isn’t ever filed. But the draft envisions that the Justice Department would ask the Supreme Court to nullify the results from several battleground states that Biden won.
- White House chief of staff Mark Meadows emails Rosen for the first time about a farfetched and baseless conspiracy theory alleging that Biden supporters at the CIA used Italian satellites to remotely switch votes from Trump to Biden.
- Meadows emails Rosen and asks him to “have your team look into” several pro-Trump voter fraud theories in Georgia, according to documents released by the Senate Judiciary Committee. Separately, Trump retweets a post about fraud claims in Georgia, and adds, “where is the FBI?”
- Olsen, the pro-Trump attorney, calls Rosen and says Trump wants the Justice Department to “file this brief by noon today,” referring to the potential Supreme Court lawsuit. Trump later speaks with Rosen, who tells him that the Justice Department has no legal basis to file the suit.
- Rosen and Donoghue go to the White House for another meeting with Trump, according to the Senate report. Rosen later testified to the Senate that Trump “seemed unhappy” that the Justice Department still had not “found the fraud.” Donoghue later testified that Trump mentioned he was considering firing Rosen and installing Clark as the leader of the Justice Department.
- In a series of emails over a few days, Meadows encourages Rosen to investigate several voter fraud theories, according to documents released by the Senate Judiciary Committee. Meadows brings up alleged irregularities in Atlanta, and even in New Mexico, which Biden won by 11 points. Rosen takes no action, and Donoghue brushes off Meadows’ latest fraud theories as “pure insanity.”
- Rosen and Clark go to the Oval Office for an “Apprentice”-style showdown, according to testimony from top officials. Trump considers firing Rosen and installing Clark as acting attorney general, because Clark is willing to send the letters to Georgia and other battleground states telling them there were “irregularities” with their elections. Trump opens the three-hour meeting by saying, “One thing we know is you, Rosen, aren’t going to do anything to overturn the election.” CNN previously reported that about a half-dozen senior department officials are prepared to resign in protest if Rosen is deposed, but Rosen survives the meeting.
- Later that night, after the meeting, Trump calls Donoghue to tell him about new fraud claims.
- The US attorney in Atlanta, Byung Jin “BJay” Pak, abruptly resigns, citing “unforeseen circumstances.” According to Pak’s testimony to the Senate, Donoghue told him he needed to quit because Trump was going to fire him. Trump said during the Oval Office showdown a day earlier that he believed Pak was a “never Trumper” and that Pak wasn’t doing enough to find fraud. Trump then changes the line of succession to replace Pak with a US attorney who he believes will “do something” about the election, according to the Senate report.
- Separately, Trump meets with Pence in the Oval Office. Also in attendance is right-wing lawyer John Eastman, who pitches Pence on a legally dubious scheme to declare Trump the winner while Pence presides over the counting of the electoral votes, according to a bombshell book from Washington Post journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa. (Eastman later told CNN that he sought only to delay certification, not to throw the election to Trump.)
- Tens of thousands of Trump supporters descend on Washington for a rally. Trump delivers a militant speech and urges his followers to march to the Capitol and “fight like hell” to stop lawmakers, and Pence, from certifying the election results. Thousand of rioters attack the Capitol, breaching the Senate floor. Five people die in the chaos and 140 police officers are hurt. The insurrection is quashed after several hours. Lawmakers certify Biden’s victory, Pence ignores Eastman’s scheme and follows the Constitution, and Biden becomes President-elect.
Yes, you offered bets to multiple people. I made a comment about your casual attitude, and you then made a bet with me, based on my own projections. If you never intended to bet on my projection that’s fine, I guess the concessions here are:
I concede it is not a good bet (at the very least I would need odds) that Trump will be on the GOP 2028 ballot.
You concede that it would be a bad bet to say he won’t try,
Where would you lay the odds that, failing to be on the GOP ballot, he runs as a 3rd party candidate and does as well as Perot even while being ineligible? Which, now that I think about it, would be fantastic for our country.
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I’ll bet you smell bad and live in a basement. YOU WANNA TAKE THAT BET BROOOOOOOOO
So you don’t believe that Trump’s election will be the ‘end of democracy’.
I concede I’d never make a bet on something subjective like your analysis of ‘try’.
‘Unlimited terms’ is objective and easy to test.
Same ballot access issue if he runs third party.
22nd amendment doesn’t count the terms by party.
People may ‘try’ and even make a ‘genuine effort’, but if anyone wants to bet their avatar on whether Trump would be on the ballot for a third term, I’m here for you.
If you genuinely believe Trump’s second term heralds the ‘end of democracy’, this is an easy bet.
Thank you for that though I know I’m an asshole to the people on the far right on here. Probably more than I want to be.
My troll post contributed more to this board than the sum of all your shit posts brotato chip. Have a nice day.
Oh shit this is gold. This guy pretends to be a serious poster too. Lol
It's hilarious watching you get schooled yet again.So you don’t believe that Trump’s election will be the ‘end of democracy’.
I concede I’d never make a bet on something subjective like your analysis of ‘try’.
‘Unlimited terms’ is objective and easy to test.
Same ballot access issue if he runs third party.
22nd amendment doesn’t count the terms by party.
People may ‘try’ and even make a ‘genuine effort’, but if anyone wants to bet their avatar on whether Trump would be on the ballot for a third term, I’m here for you.
If you genuinely believe Trump’s second term heralds the ‘end of democracy’, this is an easy bet.
You can't make this shit up....it blows my fvcking mind
I agree to what I wrote in post #151 and #155.
You already quoted it.
What did it say?
The question isn’t whether Cheeto will stay beyond 2028 but to what age will he live? He will remain in power as long as he is alive.
He’s really old, so he could die before completing his next term, in which case the above would be true, but if you’re certain he’ll still be president on Jan 21, 2029 if he wins this November, I’ll take the other side of that bet.
So far I can’t get anyone who is declaring that Trump’s victory means the end of democracy to accept a wager on it.
I’m starting to question the sincerity of their declarations.
When Biden sent the well wishes to Trump and his family I was trying to remember if FDR did the same for Hitler when the July 20 bomb plot failed.
again, a simple yes or no
If he’s in the WH a moment past Jan 20, 2029, at 12:00 Noon I win. Right?
If he visits his VP newly elected as President for tea and crumpets after the ceremony do you try to welsh and insist the new President is really just a puppet and Trump is still secretly running the show?
That was my reason for making it objectively the 21st.
If you think he’ll be President-for-life he’ll be in there in Jan 21, 2029, won’t he?
You didn’t answer my question.
I don’t understand why you’re being coy.
It is exact kind of weaseling I’m seeking to avoid.
Will you try to welsh if he is in the WH as a guest? Because that would literally meet your condition: “If he’s in the WH a moment past Jan 20, 2029, at 12:00 Noon”
I’m certain that a new President will be inaugurated Jan 20, 2029.
I will bet that Trump isn’t on the ballot for president November of 2028 if he wins this November, and that he’ll be out of the WH Jan 21, 2029.
If you’re genuinely convinced his election is the end of democracy, what difference does a day make?
You don’t believe it. It’s obvious.
I'm not being coy. In order for there to be a bet there needs to be rules. I've set the rules I'm willing to bet by. You don't appear to be willing to agree to them. That's fine.
You don't even know what far right is. You generally show your true colors often.
If you’re not going to try and welsh because he is ‘in the WH’ after someone else (e.g. his next VP) gets inaugurated that day, I’m fine.
I’m just trying to remove any gray area by which you might claim an out, even as someone else takes the Presidency.
To reiterate:
If he wins this November,
1) He won’t be on the ballot for President in November 2028
AND
2) A new president will be sworn in on Jan 20, 2029 and Trump will be out of office. Meaning ‘unlimited terms’ is not reality.
