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Tuesdays With Torbee: Fran Fatigue - it's real, but is it fair?

Fran's a bum coach.

In a regular old interview he seems cool, even thoughtful. I can see why his players like him.

Can't coach, so he's perfect for ol' Iowa.
 
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If DeVries is coaching Drake during the '24-'25 season, I'll be stunned. If the UI Athletic Department has any interest in trying to hire him, they'll need to make the effort this offseason - IMO.
 
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This is a dumb post. There's a lot of things to complain about w/ Fran's teams but saying he routinely puts out a "Missouri Valley level team" is absurd. And our nonconference hasn't been amazingly tough, but it has not be "sub 300 level duds," either.
Iowa is one of I believe only 6 teams to make the NCAA tournament the past 5 years in a row in the country.

This is the kind of bullshit degrading of the team's accomplishments I'm talking about.

The lack of Second Weekend success is frustrating, but to act like Iowa is putting out an inferior product when Fran's teams LITERALLY exceed pre-season expectations year after year after year after year is asinine.
 
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IMHO, Fran is not a great recruiter. I think we got lucky with the development of the Murries, both lightly recruited. I believe Garza was a 3 star that worked his ass off. But I don’t get excited with Fran’s recruits. You can’t make horses out of horses&$!
Iowa has the current Mr. Iowa and Mr. Illinois basketball in this year's freshman class.

Recruiting is solid.
 
Iowa has the current Mr. Iowa and Mr. Illinois basketball in this year's freshman class.

Recruiting is solid.
Recruiting is okay, but there isn't one kid on tis Iowa team that will sniff the NBA other than maybe Freeman and he is 50/50 at this point.

Recruiting at Iowa now is all about developing kids, like the Iowa FB does.
 
Glen Worley was "Mr. Iowa."
And was a 4 star, Nike All-American Basketball camp participant and the #7 ranked forward in the 2000 recruiting class nationally.

He was named Mr. Basketball and Gatorade Player of the Year in Iowa in 2000, and helped lead his team to the state championship in 1998 and 2000. He was named USA Today high school All-American. He signed with Iowa over offers from Kansas, Michigan State, Duke, Kentucky and Connecticut.

 
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This is a dumb post. There's a lot of things to complain about w/ Fran's teams but saying he routinely puts out a "Missouri Valley level team" is absurd. And our nonconference hasn't been amazingly tough, but it has not be "sub 300 level duds," either.
That's your worthless opinion. Enjoy the mediocrity.
 
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To be fair, they've finished in the Top 5 of the Big Ten 7 of the last 10 years. There's not much about the last decade that says Iowa is a "lower tier" program with the exception of a few rebuilding years. 2 of those years they placed 6th.

And I know that. But we all know, that isn't the only measurement that a power conference team is judged by.

They have got to begin getting past the 1st round of the NCAA's. Haven't done that once under his regime. His best teams haven't even done that. It IS fair to state Fran's program is somewhere between a top 33 to 64 program.

Hell, Tom Davis got let go because of that output. I know some people will judge my criticism as "unfair", but I don't see it that way. To me, if one is to recognize such a thing as Fran Fatigue...for me that's the reason I (evidently) have caught it.

He's got to get over that hump. For me, it's that simple - and it's not that I believe Fran is a bad coach and I do believe he runs a clean program (which matters) - I am just of the opinion that they're not going to get any better than what we've seen through his years here.

And that, to me, reinforces the apathy I currently have with the program.
 
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And I know that. But we all know, that isn't the only measurement that a power conference team is judged by.

They have got to begin getting past the 1st round of the NCAA's. Haven't done that once under his regime. His best teams haven't even done that. It IS fair to state Fran's program is somewhere between a top 33 to 64 program.

Hell, Tom Davis got let go because of that output. I know some people will judge my criticism as "unfair", but I don't see it that way. To me, if one is to recognize such a thing as Fran Fatigue...for me that's the reason I (evidently) have caught it.

He's got to get over that hump. For me, it's that simple - and it's not that I believe Fran is a bad coach and I do believe he runs a clean program (which matters) - I am just of the opinion that they're not going to get any better than what we've seen through his years here.

And that, to me, reinforces the apathy I currently have with the program.
And that's totally fair. I just felt that you referring to them as a "mid to lower tier team" was factually inaccurate, and it is. That's all. I'm not sitting here trying to say Iowa has been a powerhouse, but they have only been a "lower tier" team twice during his time at Iowa and one of those seasons was Year 1.
 
And that's totally fair. I just felt that you referring to them as a "mid to lower tier team" was factually inaccurate, and it is. That's all. I'm not sitting here trying to say Iowa has been a powerhouse, but they have only been a "lower tier" team twice during his time at Iowa and one of those seasons was Year 1.
What the disconnect shows is how little the regular season in college basketball matters anymore.

In a 14-team conference, Iowa under Fran McCaffery is nearly always Top 6, yet his teams are considered "mediocre" or "Missouri Valley level" primarily because of post-season futility.

It's frigging hard to win Big 10 games and it's hard to string together 5-plus NCAA tournament appearances and Fran McCaffery is literally better at doing so than a majority of other Big 10 coaches - yet gets shit on by his own fans.

It's a strange phenomenon IMO.
 
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What the disconnect shows is how little the regular season in college basketball matters anymore.

In a 14-team conference, Iowa under Fran McCaffery is nearly always Top 6, yet his teams are considered "mediocre" or "Missouri Valley level" primarily because of post-season futility.

It's frigging hard to win Big 10 games and it's hard to string together 5-plus NCAA tournament appearances and Fran McCaffery is literally better at doing so than a majority of other Big 10 coaches - yet gets shit on by his own fans.

It's a strange phenomenon IMO.
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What the disconnect shows is how little the regular season in college basketball matters anymore.

In a 14-team conference, Iowa under Fran McCaffery is nearly always Top 6, yet his teams are considered "mediocre" or "Missouri Valley level" primarily because of post-season futility.

It's frigging hard to win Big 10 games and it's hard to string together 5-plus NCAA tournament appearances and Fran McCaffery is literally better at doing so than a majority of other Big 10 coaches - yet gets shit on by his own fans.

It's a strange phenomenon IMO.
Yup, I do think it comes down to the lack of postseason success. I will also admit, that it seems like a pretty regular thing during our "strong" seasons when we get to a HUGE game in the schedule, one that would catapult us up to the top 1 or 2 spots in the conference, and then we lay an egg. It does seem like we struggle w/ a lot of our "big" games during the conference schedule. But that also is just what happens sometimes when playing in a strong conference, but I'd be a liar if I said it didn't frustrate me year after year.
 
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Yup, I do think it comes down to the lack of postseason success. I will also admit, that it seems like a pretty regular thing during our "strong" seasons when we get to a HUGE game in the schedule, one that would catapult us up to the top 1 or 2 spots in the conference, and then we lay an egg. It does seem like we struggle w/ a lot of our "big" games during the conference schedule. But that also is just what happens sometimes when playing in a strong conference, but I'd be a liar if I said it didn't frustrate me year after year.
The crazy thing is it feels like that has been with EVERY Iowa basketball coach!

Some call it the Iowa basketball curse. It's like they are allergic to success.
 
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Time to bring him home.
I hope he doesn’t think the best way to play is the Wisconsin way. Dribble for 28 seconds then chuck up a three pointer at the end of the shot clock. Try to win 51-48. That would be brutal to watch.

Oliver never played like that so I doubt he’d coach like it but he’s been at Wisconsin seven years now…
 
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Iowa has the current Mr. Iowa and Mr. Illinois basketball in this year's freshman class.

Recruiting is solid.
That’s an antiqued way at looking at recruiting anymore. First of all Mr. Basketball in Iowa or Illinois just means u were the best high school player . Which with all the prep schools, academies etc etc it’s been water down. That’s even before comparing different states talent levels. Now the portal has become the monster that it is. Not even a whole new world but a new universe.
 
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I hope he doesn’t think the best way to play is the Wisconsin way. Dribble for 28 seconds then chuck up a three pointer at the end of the shot clock. Try to win 51-48. That would be brutal to watch.

Oliver never played like that so I doubt he’d coach like it but he’s been at Wisconsin seven years now…
True. It'll be hard to get the Badger stank off of him. Probably should go after the Iona coach. It's only one letter different, so it'd be an easy transition.
 
Iowa has the current Mr. Iowa and Mr. Illinois basketball in this year's freshman class.

Recruiting is solid.
Between the Portal and the amount of elite players that aren’t eligible for Mr. Basketball because they attend an Academy or Prep school that’s antiqued view of things.
 
Between the Portal and the amount of elite players that aren’t eligible for Mr. Basketball because they attend an Academy or Prep school that’s antiqued view of things.
So you wouldn't have wanted these guys from the past 10 years?

Bralen Huff (Gonzaga)
Adam Miller (Arizona State)
EJ Liddell (Ohio State)
Mark Smith (Kansas State)
Charlie Moore (Miami)
Jahill Okafor (Duke)
Jabari Parker (Duke)
 
So you wouldn't have wanted these guys from the past 10 years?

Bralen Huff (Gonzaga)
Adam Miller (Arizona State)
EJ Liddell (Ohio State)
Mark Smith (Kansas State)
Charlie Moore (Miami)
Jahill Okafor (Duke)
Jabari Parker (Duke)
Those guys aren’t on Iowa’s recruiting menu. ($$$$$) My point is not all Mr BB’s are created equal. Same with transfer recruits.
 
Those guys aren’t on Iowa’s recruiting menu. ($$$$$) My point is not all Mr BB’s are created equal. Same with transfer recruits.
When you get the chance to recruit the kid that is deemed the best player in Iowa or Illinois, you are doing OK recruiting. That's all I'm saying and I stand by it.
 
When you get the chance to recruit the kid that is deemed the best player in Iowa or Illinois, you are doing OK recruiting. That's all I'm saying and I stand by it.

Plus HS recruiting is still how you get the base of your team. If you recruit the right guys, you dont lose them in the portal. You create the right culture that makes people want to stay.

Say what you want about KF, a lot of his guys sure are loyal to him.
 
When you get the chance to recruit the kid that is deemed the best player in Iowa or Illinois, you are doing OK recruiting. That's all I'm saying and I stand by it.
I get that, but often u got to look at college as a completely different animal. Often u get kids that win Mr. BB that have peaked or have extremely high floors. Wade Lookingbill is my Exhibit A for this.
 
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Iowa has the current Mr. Iowa and Mr. Illinois basketball in this year's freshman class.

Recruiting is solid.
the McDonald’s all American is the better pick. Mr Iowa is a popularity contest by the ina. Many in the ina don’t know their ass from a hole in the ground. They most likely looked the other way because Omaha left his hs then came back.
Isu got the better players in lipsey and the kid from Oskaloosa. Jury is out on Omaha, foster was an athletic 7’ player. Sorry you want those kids.
Iowa kids are all clones. An anomaly Joe t, fran ran him off. Fran has a type. It isn’t a win the big game type either. Skinny and slow doesn’t cut it.
 
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