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Tulsi Gabbard DNI

Neocons want to pretend the rejection of their views is ‘fringe’, but who actually supports their failed regime change efforts?

Tell me how Tulsi’s view of the origin of the war in Ukraine differs from the current Director of the CIA.

It doesn’t, but you can’t even acknowledge that fact, and keep up the stupid ‘Putin propaganda’ narrative.

You have to ignore the decades that led up to this, when people like these warned that NATO expansion would lead to war:

Thinking through the Ukraine crisis – the causes

Ted Galen Carpenter

Russia’s military offensive against Ukraine is an that will make already worrisome tensions between Nato and Moscow even more dangerous. The west’s new cold war with Russia has turned hot. Vladimir Putin bears primary responsibility for this latest development, but Nato’s arrogant, tone‐deaf policy toward Russia over the past quarter‐century deserves a large share as well. Analysts committed to a US foreign policy of realism and restraint have warned for more than a quarter‐century that continuing to expand the most powerful military alliance in history toward another major power would not end well. The war in Ukraine provides definitive confirmation that it did not.

“It would be extraordinarily difficult to expand Nato eastward without that action’s being viewed by Russia as unfriendly. Even the most modest schemes would bring the alliance to the borders of the old Soviet Union. Some of the more ambitious versions would have the alliance virtually surround the Russian Federation itself.” I wrote those words in 1994, in my book Beyond Nato: Staying Out of Europe’s Wars, at a time when expansion proposals merely constituted occasional speculation in foreign policy seminars in New York and Washington. I added that expansion “would constitute a needless provocation of Russia”.

What was not publicly known at the time was that Bill Clinton’s administration had already made the fateful decision the previous year to push for including some former Warsaw Pact countries in Nato. The administration would soon propose inviting Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary to become members, and the US Senate approved adding those countries to the North Atlantic Treaty in 1998. It would be the first of several waves of membership expansion.

Even that first stage provoked Russian opposition and anger. In her memoir, Madeleine Albright, Clinton’s secretary of state, concedes that “[Russian president Boris] Yeltsin and his countrymen were strongly opposed to enlargement, seeing it as a strategy for exploiting their vulnerability and moving Europe’s dividing line to the east, leaving them isolated.”

Strobe Talbott, deputy secretary of state, similarly described the Russian attitude. “Many Russians see Nato as a vestige of the cold war, inherently directed against their country. They point out that they have disbanded the Warsaw Pact, theirmilitary alliance, and ask why the west should not do the same.” It was an excellent question, and neither the Clinton administration nor its successors provided even a remotely convincing answer.

George Kennan, the intellectual father of America’s containment policy during the cold war, perceptively warned in a May 1998 New York Times interview about what the Senate’s ratification of Nato’s first round of expansion would set in motion. “I think it is the beginning of a new cold war,” Kennan stated. ”I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else.”

He was right, but US and Nato leaders proceeded with new rounds of expansion, including the provocative step of adding the three Baltic republics. Those countries not only had been part of the Soviet Union, but they had also been part of Russia’s empire during the Czarist era. That wave of expansion now had Nato perched on the border of the Russian Federation.

Moscow’s patience with Nato’s ever more intrusive behavior was wearing thin. The last reasonably friendly warning from Russia that the alliance needed to back off came in March 2007, when Putin addressed the annual Munich security conference. “Nato has put its frontline forces on our borders,” Putin complained. Nato expansion “represents a serious provocation that reduces the level of mutual trust. And we have the right to ask: against whom is this expansion intended? And what happened to the assurances our western partners made after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact?”

In his memoir, Duty, Robert M Gates, who served as secretary of defense in the administrations of both George W Bush and Barack Obama, stated his belief that “the relationship with Russia had been badly mismanaged after [George HW] Bush left office in 1993”. Among other missteps, “US agreements with the Romanian and Bulgarian governments to rotate troops through bases in those countries was a needless provocation.” In an implicit rebuke to the younger Bush, Gates asserted that “trying to bring Georgia and Ukraine into Nato was truly overreaching”. That move, he contended, was a case of “recklessly ignoring what the Russians considered their own vital national interests”.

The following year, the Kremlin demonstrated that its discontent with Nato’s continuing incursions into Russia’s security zone had moved beyond verbal objections. Moscow exploited a foolish provocation by Georgia’s pro‐western government to launch a military offensive that brought Russian troops to the outskirts of the capital. Thereafter, Russia permanently detached two secessionist‐minded Georgian regions and put them under effective Russian control.

Western (especially US) leaders continued to blow through red warning light after a red warning light, however. The Obama administration’s shockingly arrogant meddling in Ukraine’s internal political affairs in 2013 and 2014 to help demonstrators overthrow Ukraine’s elected, pro‐Russia president was the single most brazen provocation, and it caused tensions to spike. Moscow immediately responded by seizing and annexing Crimea, and a new cold war was underway with a vengeance.


Could the Ukraine crisis have been avoided?

Events during the past few months constituted the last chance to avoid a hot war in eastern Europe. Putin demanded that Nato provide guarantees on several security issues. Specifically, the Kremlin wanted binding assurances that the alliance would reduce the scope of its growing military presence in eastern Europe and would never offer membership to Ukraine. He backed up those demands with a massive military buildup on Ukraine’s borders.

The Biden administration’s response to Russia’s quest for meaningful western concessions and security guarantees was tepid and evasive. Putin then clearly decided to escalate matters. Washington’s attempt to make Ukraine a Nato political and military pawn (even absent the country’s formal membership in the alliance) may end up costing the Ukrainian people dearly.


The Ukraine tragedy

History will show that Washington’s treatment of Russia in the decades following the demise of the Soviet Union was a policy blunder of epic proportions. It was entirely predictable that Nato expansion would ultimately lead to a tragic, perhaps violent, breach of relations with Moscow. Perceptive analysts warned of the likely consequences, but those warnings went unheeded. We are now paying the price for the US foreign policy establishment’s myopia and arrogance.


Let’s try heeding the people who correctly predicted where the neocons’ policies would go, the neocons have earned their seat on the bench.

There's a reasonable range of opinion between non-interventionist and hawkish. I want someone that knows the philosophical lay of the land. All I've gotten with Tulsi are some soundbites and tweets or the like criticizing some of our foreign intervention. (and some of those items were pretty questionable)

Is she anything more than political entertainer that likes bitching about war?
 
Neocons want to pretend the rejection of their views is ‘fringe’, but who actually supports their failed regime change efforts?

Tell me how Tulsi’s view of the origin of the war in Ukraine differs from the current Director of the CIA.

It doesn’t, but you can’t even acknowledge that fact, and keep up the stupid ‘Putin propaganda’ narrative.

You have to ignore the decades that led up to this, when people like these warned that NATO expansion would lead to war:

Thinking through the Ukraine crisis – the causes

Ted Galen Carpenter

Russia’s military offensive against Ukraine is an that will make already worrisome tensions between Nato and Moscow even more dangerous. The west’s new cold war with Russia has turned hot. Vladimir Putin bears primary responsibility for this latest development, but Nato’s arrogant, tone‐deaf policy toward Russia over the past quarter‐century deserves a large share as well. Analysts committed to a US foreign policy of realism and restraint have warned for more than a quarter‐century that continuing to expand the most powerful military alliance in history toward another major power would not end well. The war in Ukraine provides definitive confirmation that it did not.

“It would be extraordinarily difficult to expand Nato eastward without that action’s being viewed by Russia as unfriendly. Even the most modest schemes would bring the alliance to the borders of the old Soviet Union. Some of the more ambitious versions would have the alliance virtually surround the Russian Federation itself.” I wrote those words in 1994, in my book Beyond Nato: Staying Out of Europe’s Wars, at a time when expansion proposals merely constituted occasional speculation in foreign policy seminars in New York and Washington. I added that expansion “would constitute a needless provocation of Russia”.

What was not publicly known at the time was that Bill Clinton’s administration had already made the fateful decision the previous year to push for including some former Warsaw Pact countries in Nato. The administration would soon propose inviting Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary to become members, and the US Senate approved adding those countries to the North Atlantic Treaty in 1998. It would be the first of several waves of membership expansion.

Even that first stage provoked Russian opposition and anger. In her memoir, Madeleine Albright, Clinton’s secretary of state, concedes that “[Russian president Boris] Yeltsin and his countrymen were strongly opposed to enlargement, seeing it as a strategy for exploiting their vulnerability and moving Europe’s dividing line to the east, leaving them isolated.”

Strobe Talbott, deputy secretary of state, similarly described the Russian attitude. “Many Russians see Nato as a vestige of the cold war, inherently directed against their country. They point out that they have disbanded the Warsaw Pact, theirmilitary alliance, and ask why the west should not do the same.” It was an excellent question, and neither the Clinton administration nor its successors provided even a remotely convincing answer.

George Kennan, the intellectual father of America’s containment policy during the cold war, perceptively warned in a May 1998 New York Times interview about what the Senate’s ratification of Nato’s first round of expansion would set in motion. “I think it is the beginning of a new cold war,” Kennan stated. ”I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else.”

He was right, but US and Nato leaders proceeded with new rounds of expansion, including the provocative step of adding the three Baltic republics. Those countries not only had been part of the Soviet Union, but they had also been part of Russia’s empire during the Czarist era. That wave of expansion now had Nato perched on the border of the Russian Federation.

Moscow’s patience with Nato’s ever more intrusive behavior was wearing thin. The last reasonably friendly warning from Russia that the alliance needed to back off came in March 2007, when Putin addressed the annual Munich security conference. “Nato has put its frontline forces on our borders,” Putin complained. Nato expansion “represents a serious provocation that reduces the level of mutual trust. And we have the right to ask: against whom is this expansion intended? And what happened to the assurances our western partners made after the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact?”

In his memoir, Duty, Robert M Gates, who served as secretary of defense in the administrations of both George W Bush and Barack Obama, stated his belief that “the relationship with Russia had been badly mismanaged after [George HW] Bush left office in 1993”. Among other missteps, “US agreements with the Romanian and Bulgarian governments to rotate troops through bases in those countries was a needless provocation.” In an implicit rebuke to the younger Bush, Gates asserted that “trying to bring Georgia and Ukraine into Nato was truly overreaching”. That move, he contended, was a case of “recklessly ignoring what the Russians considered their own vital national interests”.

The following year, the Kremlin demonstrated that its discontent with Nato’s continuing incursions into Russia’s security zone had moved beyond verbal objections. Moscow exploited a foolish provocation by Georgia’s pro‐western government to launch a military offensive that brought Russian troops to the outskirts of the capital. Thereafter, Russia permanently detached two secessionist‐minded Georgian regions and put them under effective Russian control.

Western (especially US) leaders continued to blow through red warning light after a red warning light, however. The Obama administration’s shockingly arrogant meddling in Ukraine’s internal political affairs in 2013 and 2014 to help demonstrators overthrow Ukraine’s elected, pro‐Russia president was the single most brazen provocation, and it caused tensions to spike. Moscow immediately responded by seizing and annexing Crimea, and a new cold war was underway with a vengeance.


Could the Ukraine crisis have been avoided?

Events during the past few months constituted the last chance to avoid a hot war in eastern Europe. Putin demanded that Nato provide guarantees on several security issues. Specifically, the Kremlin wanted binding assurances that the alliance would reduce the scope of its growing military presence in eastern Europe and would never offer membership to Ukraine. He backed up those demands with a massive military buildup on Ukraine’s borders.

The Biden administration’s response to Russia’s quest for meaningful western concessions and security guarantees was tepid and evasive. Putin then clearly decided to escalate matters. Washington’s attempt to make Ukraine a Nato political and military pawn (even absent the country’s formal membership in the alliance) may end up costing the Ukrainian people dearly.


The Ukraine tragedy

History will show that Washington’s treatment of Russia in the decades following the demise of the Soviet Union was a policy blunder of epic proportions. It was entirely predictable that Nato expansion would ultimately lead to a tragic, perhaps violent, breach of relations with Moscow. Perceptive analysts warned of the likely consequences, but those warnings went unheeded. We are now paying the price for the US foreign policy establishment’s myopia and arrogance.


Let’s try heeding the people who correctly predicted where the neocons’ policies would go, the neocons have earned their seat on the bench.
That’s an opinion piece. Well written, but I disagree with his conclusion.

He implies that we mistreated Russia. No, we didn’t, pure and simple.

We can go back to the ‘80’s if you like. Russia has not been mistreated.

You should watch “The Amercicans”. My dad me about that program (Russian camps with POWs raising children to be Americans )
 
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You...Are a long winded, Dunce.
You're a zero attention span muppet incapable of critical thinking.

When I ask you to explain the difference between Tulsi's warnings and Bill Burn's warnings (over decades) you search BlueSky, but can't find the answer, so all you have is an insult.

You are exactly what people think of when they call people NPCs.
 
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That’s an opinion piece. Well written, but I disagree with his conclusion.

His conclusion went from prediction to history, which gives it heft in my book.
His warnings were echoed by former Secretaries of Defense from Robert McNamara to Robert Gates.
Angela Merkel wrote in her own memoir that offering NATO membership to Ukraine would be viewed by Putin as a "declaration of war"
People like Bill Bradley and Sam Nunn didn't put their names on the 1999 open letter to Bill Clinton advising against NATO expansion because they were Russian propagandists. They did so because they were prescient. And now they've been proven right.
If we can't acknowledge this we'll have WW3 before we have peace, and there's no reason to assume the US goes unscathed if that happens. We can't let that happen. The American people have voted against it. It's colossal folly for a lame duck administration to commit us to it.
The 'burn it down' crowd have every right to set themselves alight, but they have no right to sacrifice the rest of us on the altar of their stupidity and lack of foresight.
 
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Will Tulsi have to take a leave of absence from her job working for Russian intelligence in order to serve as US director of national intelligence?
 
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Will Tulsi have to take a leave of absence from her job working for Russian intelligence in order to serve as US director of national intelligence?
Remember when "without evidence" was the cool catch phrase in all the news articles?
Looks like we'll have to dust that off again.
Even Bernie thinks you're intellectually bankrupt.
 
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Okay Vlad. If you don’t think Trump and his ilk like Gababard are working for Putin than you are dumber than I thought. Putin is tasking Trump with destabilizing the west.
Bro is still convinced that Russian collusion is real 😂🤣😂
 
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There's a reasonable range of opinion between non-interventionist and hawkish. I want someone that knows the philosophical lay of the land. All I've gotten with Tulsi are some soundbites and tweets or the like criticizing some of our foreign intervention. (and some of those items were pretty questionable)

Is she anything more than political entertainer that likes bitching about war?
Here's a wiki link that has many embedded links that go into Tulsi's positions on individual conflicts worldwide. I'm not commenting on agreement with each position, but her views are nuanced, and not just soundbites.

You may come away with with the same opinion, but it's really kind of interesting to dig into these things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Tulsi_Gabbard
 
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I love your "Let's Go!" I guess when you don't watch any sports, this is the kind of stuff that you cheer for. Tool does not have a negative enough connotation to describe you and your posse. Let's go politics! Let's go! Oh yeah!
I’m a hard core Dodgers fan and a BIG Tulsi Gabbard supporter. Let’s F*cking Go!!!!!!!!!!
(Tommy Edman is great btw, NLCS MVP?! Man, you guys really f*cked that up)
 
HawkNester, why do you fall for evidence free assertions from Hillary Clinton?
@HawkNester

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Mueller report. But the cultists continue to deny any wrongdoing.
What in the Mueller Report is evidence that Tulsi is a Russian agent?

Name the page and I'll post it here for everyone to see you're right.

I think you're making things up, and have no evidence, but I'm willing to post it here if you tell me what page it is on.
 
The Mueller report links Trumps administration.

So nothing in the Mueller report is evidence that Tulsi is a Russian agent?
Just want to make sure I'm clear on that.
Not a single page for me to post here as evidence supporting your view that Tulsi is a Russian agent?


An opinion piece by one of the guys who agreed to a request from the Biden campaign to trick you into believing that the laptop in the FBI's possession was actually Russian disinformation?
That's your 'evidence'? A discredited disinformation agent is your source?

Why don't you quote the part from that opinion piece that you consider to be evidence that Tulsi is a Russian agent, just so we're clear what convinced you.
 
So nothing in the Mueller report is evidence that Tulsi is a Russian agent?
Just want to make sure I'm clear on that.
Not a single page for me to post here as evidence supporting your view that Tulsi is a Russian agent?



An opinion piece by one of the guys who agreed to a request from the Biden campaign to trick you into believing that the laptop in the FBI's possession was actually Russian disinformation?
That's your 'evidence'? A discredited disinformation agent is your source?

Why don't you quote the part from that opinion piece that you consider to be evidence that Tulsi is a Russian agent, just so we're clear what convinced you.

Trump team doesn’t sign GSA agreement​

The Biden White House did “not agree” with the decision to forego the GSA agreement.

“While we do not agree with the Trump transition team’s decision to forgo signing the GSA MOU, we will follow the purpose of the Presidential Transition Act, which clearly states that ‘any disruption occasioned by the transfer of the executive power could produce results detrimental to the safety and wellbeing of the United States and its people,’” Sharma said.

There are certain safeguards in the signed White House memorandum, White House officials said, aimed at bolstering protections from conflicts of interest.

For instance, officials said, “The Trump transition team must provide the names and current employer of individuals who would have access to agencies, agency personnel, and government information,” and those who are receiving classified information must have “the security clearance necessary to have access to that information, the requisite need to know, and (have) signed the requisite non-disclosure agreements.”

As for the memorandum of understanding with the Department of Justice, White House officials said that “progress has been made towards an agreement.”

CNN has reached out to the Office of Management and Budget and the GSA for comment.

What’s there to hide?
 
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What’s there to hide?

I dunno, you won't tell me what page I can find anything about Tulsi being a Russian agent in the Mueller report after pointing to that report when I asked for evidence.
Are you hiding that info, or will you admit there isn't anything in there to support your evidence free assertions.

You next obfuscation was to trot out the opinion piece, again without any evidence, from a guy who has already been exposed for spreading disinformation on behalf of the Biden campaign.

Where is your evidence, sir?
Why do you hide it?
Does it simply not exist?
 
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I dunno, you won't tell me what page I can find anything about Tulsi being a Russian agent in the Mueller report after pointing to that report when I asked for evidence.
Are you hiding that info, or will you admit there isn't anything in there to support your evidence free assertions.

You next obfuscation was to trot out the opinion piece, again without any evidence, from a guy who has already been exposed for spreading disinformation on behalf of the Biden campaign.

Where is your evidence, sir?
Why do you hide it?
Does it simply not exist?
It’s amazing the lengths cultists will go to defend the indefensible.
 
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It’s amazing the lengths cultists will go to defend the indefensible.

I asked if you had any evidence of your assertion that Tulsi Gabbard was a Russian agent.

You parroted a charge, without evidence, and when asked if you had evidence engaged in a series of obfuscations on other subjects.

Why can't you admit you have no evidence, and are simply repeating the baseless charges of people proven to be disinformation agents?
 
“Behind closed doors, people think she might be compromised. Like it’s not hyperbole,” the aide continued. “There are members of our conference who think she’s a [Russian] asset.”

Always without evidence, these neo-McCarthyites spread their lies and try to shape public opinion. Not by making the case for their endless, pointless wars, but by smearing the people who oppose their endless, pointless wars.

"Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?"
 
Always without evidence, these neo-McCarthyites spread their lies and try to shape public opinion. Not by making the case for their endless, pointless wars, but by smearing the people who oppose their endless, pointless wars.

"Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?"
Hillary started all of this nonsense.

There are valid criticisms of Gabbard, no question, and people should focus on those instead of the Russian nonsense.

But at the end of the day, Tulsi's being a U.S. military veteran while not also being a Neo-Con war monger is the biggest sin of all in the eyes of the shills for the military industrial complex who are obsessed with perpetuating the forever wars.
 
This much is undeniable. Like trump, whenever there's a choice, she always sides with mother russia.
Maybe because sometimes the US isnt on the correct side of an issue?

Most of you have no clue of Russian culture and deny less that glorious US goals when money is involved.
 
Always without evidence, these neo-McCarthyites spread their lies and try to shape public opinion. Not by making the case for their endless, pointless wars, but by smearing the people who oppose their endless, pointless wars.

"Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last?"
Republicans against trump is also a leftist pedophile network just like the Lincoln project. They should not be taken seriously.
 
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