Unfortunately, i dont think we get either. Moore goes to illinois and cook goes elsewhere. We continue to come in 2nd for the big boys. I hope i am wrong.
Tyler Cook
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Illannoy a big boy? Please... Or do you mean big at flopping a season?? If so, my bad!
Nobody knows for sure who we are going to get or who our top target(s) may be exactly, except Fran & Co. But unlike past years, I hope Fran has his chips spread out and not all on one player. Which it very much sounds like is the case. Chips all over everywhere.... One thing is for sure, Fran is a machine. The guy has been seen all over the place.
I think the Moore ship has probably sailed but I think we have a rock solid chance at Cook. Simpson also will be going elsewhere, so methinks it will be Pemsl, Kriener, Cook and Bohannon as the newest Hawkeyes. That would be a pretty darn good class.
Imo, I hope Fran carries the scholly over to the spring or next year, if he can't find/sign a better recruit or pg candidate than Bohannon. A short, slow pg does nothing to help the Haws compete/win games and the Hawks don't need another off guard period.
Suterman, I hope the ship hasn't sailed! On either Simpson or Moore. But if it has, so be it... Move along now people.
I have not seen Bohannon play, I take it you have..? Slow does not excite me. How is the rest of his game??
Holding over a scholly til the spring is not a good idea for a guard. Unlike bigger players, Guards are developed enough to evaluate their talents by summer. At least a high, overwhelming majority of the time. The good guards will be gone, except for maybe a few academic casualties. And that's a big risk, because if they are good, someone would have swiped them up with an offer....
Fill me in on Bohannon if you would please.
If the Moore ship has sailed, why has he scheduled an official to Iowa City in September? Not saying you're not right, but why schedule an official visit if you're no longer interested. I think we still have a shot.
When you are on the short list for 4 star recruits, patience is the name of the game. I still think Moore and Cook are in play.
Unless Simpson visits soon, I think he is a long shot. Have heard very little about Rakocevic also.
Unless Simpson visits soon, I think he is a long shot. Have heard very little about Rakocevic also.
Seems as though every other outlet besides this one has Cook going to Mizzou. Plus they hired one of his old coaches. I badly want to land him, but I'm tempering expectations for sure. Seems by every objective measure, the kid is going to Mizzou. Hope I'm wrong.
I meant "Big Boys' meaning the top tier recruits, NOT the colleges. Just seems we miss out on those, the highly anticipated guys. We usually get the quiet surprising recruits, like Kriener or Williams.
First post. I'd like to say that first of all, I think it really helps that Moore's visit to Iowa comes later in the year. It seems that the recruits who visit Iowa early love it, but then sort of forget its appeal as they visit other schools. With him visiting somewhat later in the year, the visit will be fresh in his mind when he makes a commitment. I read a tweet on Moore's AAU team's (Mac Irvin Fire) Twitter account that said that UNC is recruiting him now. With that said, if Iowa loses Charlie Moore, I would be surprised if it's to Illinois. IMO it will take an effort from a blue blood like UNC (Ulis 2.0?) to get him from us.
Also, does anybody know anything about Moore's AAU teammate, K.J. Santos? I know at one point he was high on Iowa and was a highly ranked recruit. Think he was hurt for most of the summer, but did Iowa cool on him with the amount of forwards brought in in 2015 or is that still an ongoing recruitment?
Also, does anybody know anything about Moore's AAU teammate, K.J. Santos? I know at one point he was high on Iowa and was a highly ranked recruit. Think he was hurt for most of the summer, but did Iowa cool on him with the amount of forwards brought in in 2015 or is that still an ongoing recruitment?
Thanks for the info re: NC and Moore. That's news to me but I'm not surprised. For a few weeks now I've thought that Moore is Iowa's most important prospect and perhaps Fran's #1 target. PG is, by far, the biggest need right now IMO. It would stink big time if he chooses Illinois.
I haven't heard much about Santos' recruiting recently. He's had some injuries but he still has an Iowa offer AFAIK. I'm sure some others here will be by with more info.
I haven't heard much about Santos' recruiting recently. He's had some injuries but he still has an Iowa offer AFAIK. I'm sure some others here will be by with more info.
Recent interview with Charlie Moore. Tough to tell either way but we're definitely up there on his list. No mention of NC. You know it's not good when he says your school after hesitating and thinking about it for a few seconds. (Ole Miss and Nevada). Need to get these kids on campus.
Here is a link to the tweet for what it's worth
Hopefully he's loyal to the coach/coaches who've been there from the start and isn't considering UNC and that's why they weren't mentioned in the interview. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Hopefully he's loyal to the coach/coaches who've been there from the start and isn't considering UNC and that's why they weren't mentioned in the interview. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
In the world of recruiting, if you're a good salesman then you can get a kid to play for you regardless of the mess that it may be or regardless of job security. Missouri is an example of this. Compared to Iowa, Iowa would be the logical choice but it's all about what you sell the kid on.
I'm pretty sure Fran knows how to show a recruit how he would fit into the Iowa program...in fact just about every recruit has said such after they have made a visit. I know its easy to get disappointed when a recruit choses to go to another school...its not that Fran & Staff are not in the fight to land the best players they can find..
I don't see how anyone can say Iowa is the logical choice for Tyler Cook over Missouri...the only logical choice is Cook's. Do we want him? Absolutely...but in the end he makes his choice...it doesn't mean we did something wrong in his recruitment.
Teenagers...
I don't see how anyone can say Iowa is the logical choice for Tyler Cook over Missouri...the only logical choice is Cook's. Do we want him? Absolutely...but in the end he makes his choice...it doesn't mean we did something wrong in his recruitment.
Teenagers...
Yes and no. Teenagers have their own logic. MU is the closest school on Cook's list. He's got family/AAU ties there. But he's got family ties to Iowa as well, IC is not 'that' far away, Iowa is on more of an upswing than MU- probably due to a better coach, and the B1G is better than MU's conference. Uhl was a surprise- everyone had him picking the much closer to his HS Temple over Iowa. I'm hoping Cook is a similar situation. This isn't the first recruiting battle with a home state school Fran has had or will have. You don't win that many of those, but as Fran keeps pitching I'm sure he'll win a few.I don't see how anyone can say Iowa is the logical choice for Tyler Cook over Missouri...the only logical choice is Cook's. Do we want him? Absolutely...but in the end he makes his choice...it doesn't mean we did something wrong in his recruitment.
Teenagers...
Yet no Iowa school could land Kirk Hinrich, Nick Collison, Harrison Barnes, Doug McDermott, or Marcus Paige. I guess it only works for states not named Iowa.
Considering the talent that Missouri has recruited the last few years, and severly under perfroming - All signs point to coaching.
2 - 4 stars(which we can all say should be good from the get go, except maybe 7 footers) & 2 highly ranked 3 stars, then another 4 star and a couple decent 3 stars, followed by several decent 3 stars.
Good-to-great talent. Far more than we have had, on paper. All that Leading to 9-23.
So, you have a coach that either cannot coach the talent, or is having problems picking talent to fit his system. Or just crappy luck signing all these highly rsted players and under performing. Regardless, something is not right. Good thing I do not care.
Unfortunately, this is often the case when big-name schools come calling- kids fall at their feet. Williams has in particular been a recruiting thorn in Iowa's side, first at KU, then UNC. McDermott was at first unheralded, then went with his dad. You'd need a crystal ball to predict what he did in college. MU, as a poster pointed out, has done less with more than Iowa. Hopefully, Cook might connect the dots with that info and choose the other school he has family ties to.
I knew about Porter's mom but I thought there was a connection to Iowa for Cook's mother as well. I thought that was mentioned when his dad/AAU connections to MU were brought up a while back.
Not Cook, but Iowa recruit PG Tony Carr committed to Penn State.
At this point, I think we're going all in on Cook, Moore, and maybe Simpson for the last 2 spots. Haven't heard anything new about Santos or Rak in a long time.
At this point, I think we're going all in on Cook, Moore, and maybe Simpson for the last 2 spots. Haven't heard anything new about Santos or Rak in a long time.
I don't recall the state of ISU's program when those players commited, but Hinrich and Collison were seniors when Davis was in his lame duck year and Fran was just too late to get into the highly sought after Paige. Barnes was considered the top player in the country and those players obviously have their pick of schools.
Hinrich I believe was going to go to ISU, but Floyd left for the NBA
I can't speak to all of these, but a couple had extenuating circumstances. Hinrich was commited to ISU and likely would have stayed so and gone there had not the coach that signed him, Tim Floyd, left for the Bulls job. McDermott was committed to UNI, and only asked out when his dad went to be Creighton's coach. I would consider both of those situations at least not proving your point.
Collison pretty much knew Iowa wasn't a possibility with the lame duck coach. Clearly Barnes and Paige both chose UNC.
All I know is that I am not confident either Cook or Moore make it to Iowa. We already moved to plan B with the Kreiner signing, just smells like Iowa coming up short again.
For both Cook and Moore, our main competitors are home state schools who have done less with more than Iowa the last several years. We also were recruiting both these guys earlier and harder than the home state schools. Of course, these are important reasons that we're in it at all for Cook and Moore. Maybe if they talked to each other they'd like to play together?...
I would bet that PSU adds Painter as well. For a football school, Chambers is getting the job done on the recruiting trail. Except possibly for Rutgers (and they can be sneak for an upset occasionally), there really is no easy win in the B10 any more. The old B10 adage is still true: to contend you need to win at home and take a couple on the road.
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