Under preforming again
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Straight up not true. Iowa could have made the same offer and chose not to. There was nothing preventing them from doing so other than themselves.
I am noticing the subtle shifting of goalposts. You were pretty adamant that DT was not a better option than Brands last year. And now it’s “well DT doesn’t actually count.”
You can’t force your lack of imagination and ambition for the program on other fans.
Cunningham
Schwab
Not the same level of prospect as DT. The hawks probably missed the off ramp.
In a couple years, you gotta put Gilman in that mix if all goes well in Stillwater. To my eyes, the lightweights have progressed at OSU this year, so maybe he can coach. He is an Olympian. Coaching experience. Kids love him. Maybe it's time to bury the hatchet and realize that he came to Iowa because of his love for Iowa but he left because of Brands. The two can be true.
Honestly, I think actual coaching technical acumen is about 4th on my list of attributes.
First is the ability to recruit, second is the ability to raise money, third is the first real 'coaching' quality, which is motivating kids to be their best
Edit-I have no idea where Spencer ranks in any of that
Idk how anyone could argue that expectations at the beginning of the year have not been met. There are reasons for that, mainly injuries, but it does seem that injuries happen a whole hell of a lot more to us than others.
Wrestling is the university of Iowas only blue blood sport. The more years we spend getting 4th with no individual champs the less that sentence becomes a reality, especially to the kids we are trying to pursue to get back on top. Most of the kids we call on June 1st (or whenever recruiting opens) only know psu as a wrestling dynasty. They see them win every year both individually and as a team. Quit possibly the biggest red flag for me about the direction of the program since 2010 is the lack of individual champions. That needs to change and it’s needed to change for awhile.
Wrestling is the university of Iowas only blue blood sport. The more years we spend getting 4th with no individual champs the less that sentence becomes a reality, especially to the kids we are trying to pursue to get back on top. Most of the kids we call on June 1st (or whenever recruiting opens) only know psu as a wrestling dynasty. They see them win every year both individually and as a team. Quit possibly the biggest red flag for me about the direction of the program since 2010 is the lack of individual champions. That needs to change and it’s needed to change for awhile.
Cunningham is getting too old I think. Not too old to coach obviously but too old to rebuild a program and go on a long run. He is 47 and as we all can see, wrestler and recruit response to 55 year olds is not great. If you want a 20-25 year run, I prefer guys in the 32-38 year old range.
I was actually surprised the Hawks sat out on DT. He was a once every 10-15 year guy.
A few additional thoughts:
1. I'm not as upset as some of you about Iowa's performance at this tournament, aside from Parco & Teemer, neither of which I blame on Brands. But ask me Sunday morning.
2. The discussion about a coaching change entails 3 factors: (1) What are our goals as a program for the next 2 decades? (2) Is the current coaching staff capable of leading us there? (3) If not, who is (or at least might be)?
If the answer to #1 is "to consistently be among the top 3-5 teams in the county," then we can all put away our pitchforks and enjoy the view for the next 10 years.
Personally, I don't want to cede the next 10 NCAA titles to Penn State. I think our goal should be "to consistently score 120+ points at NCCAs within 3 years, growing to 150 within 6 years." That represents a path back to dominance. If that's the answer to #1, then the answer to #2 changes.
Answering #3 then becomes the focus.
3. I remain impressed by the risks Tom has taken over the past several years to try and move the needle. They have not all been successful. But, for example, sacrificing Chittum for Angelo Ferrari is shaping up to have been a good bet.
4. I'm not sold on Schwab, but it's not an unreasonable idea.
5. Gilman? Lacks the maturity to lead the program. Bridge burned.
6. Speaking of horse's a$$es, I think we have to seriously consider AJ again if we're serious about scoring 120+ points. But ask me again on Sunday.
1. I'm not as upset as some of you about Iowa's performance at this tournament, aside from Parco & Teemer, neither of which I blame on Brands. But ask me Sunday morning.
2. The discussion about a coaching change entails 3 factors: (1) What are our goals as a program for the next 2 decades? (2) Is the current coaching staff capable of leading us there? (3) If not, who is (or at least might be)?
If the answer to #1 is "to consistently be among the top 3-5 teams in the county," then we can all put away our pitchforks and enjoy the view for the next 10 years.
Personally, I don't want to cede the next 10 NCAA titles to Penn State. I think our goal should be "to consistently score 120+ points at NCCAs within 3 years, growing to 150 within 6 years." That represents a path back to dominance. If that's the answer to #1, then the answer to #2 changes.
Answering #3 then becomes the focus.
3. I remain impressed by the risks Tom has taken over the past several years to try and move the needle. They have not all been successful. But, for example, sacrificing Chittum for Angelo Ferrari is shaping up to have been a good bet.
4. I'm not sold on Schwab, but it's not an unreasonable idea.
5. Gilman? Lacks the maturity to lead the program. Bridge burned.
6. Speaking of horse's a$$es, I think we have to seriously consider AJ again if we're serious about scoring 120+ points. But ask me again on Sunday.
Agree on DT.
Disagree on Cunningham because Iowa is not a rebuild. Just like OSU wasn’t a rebuild for DT. The resources are there to be great immediately. Same goes for Schwab.
I don’t think Cunningham would be interested. Schwab makes the most sense. What he does at UNI is more impressive than what Brands does at Iowa.
Henson for Real Woods as well.
I said this in a different thread or maybe on the other site, But I miss the days when Iowa could stick with a Siebrecht until he's ready to give them some points at Nationals instead of having to keep up with Penn State and getting serious points at all 10 weights.
I don't blame the guy for transferring either, he went to a good program where he got to be the guy all year. Doesn't mean I like the state of college sports at all though
Ben Askren
Casey Cunningham (if possible)
Doug Schwab (maybe)
Bill Zadick (maybe)
Mike Poeta (maybe)
Kyle Snyder when he retires (maybe)
Kyle Dake when he retires (maybe)
That’s where I would begin the search.
I didn’t shift anything. The argument wasn’t about my thought on DT. It was about even having a viable plan to hire over Brands at the time.
And yes, I still believe DT contacted OkStste and that is why the shifted from Scott last minute. There was NOTHING up to that point that hinted DT was anymore an option than dreams like JB or Dake…
I still have faith in Brands, but I DO think Max has a lot of potential.
Iowa is a rebuild in the sense that the new coach is going to change direction and want things done his way. If not, then why change from Brands? I also said two things. The second thing I said was that you don't want a 10 year coach. You want a 20-25 year coach.
I know you believe that but I'm telling you that isn't true. Certain people had their eye on DT for over a year, waiting for a moment when he might change his life direction. That moment happened on 4/20/24 when he lost at the Trials. That was nine days after Smith retired. There is a reason Scott wasn't handed the job from 4/11 to 4/20. When someone with $20M comes to your university and says he wants to return the program to glory, and that he would like to go after a generational coach, you let him. DT was made a life changing offer a week after Trials. All of us would have said YES to it.
Im of the belief Teemer's hamstring injury that happened was due to the "rumor" he was allowed. to control his own condition/trianing schedule.
Not keeping in the best shape and that pulls much easier in that spot against Paniro
TnT's fault (or Bob's) for allowing that (if true). Hopefully lesson learned there
of note, hope you all saw Drakes interview, telling fans to lay off the guys - they are people too. Seems like he is becoming a great leader for the team
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don't necessarily need a 20-25 year guy (if we are talking about Casey). 10 years or so and he hands the reigns to his heir apparent accomplishes the same (potentially of course)
The best thing Brands can do to help himself out is win a couple titles this year. Drake and Buchanan both have the talent and there is nobody at their weights that are unbeatable. Can Brands get them to the top?
I really like Drake’s chances the way he has been wresting. But, Buchanan has to get through AJ and, no matter the hate, the guy is that good…
He was that good. Not sure how the last few years have affected his abilities. Maybe he’s fresher and healthier than he would be with more miles on the machine?
He looks the EXACT same to me. Impossible to take down or ride and he rides good enough to get RT. He is pretty much the 197 version of Dake…
A potential coaches list without Michael "Kemdawg" Kemerer is malpractice. He's got a steady hand and is very technical/tactical. It's a young man's game in recruiting and I have no doubt he'd kill it sitting in a prospect's living room talking to mom and dad.
110%. Even if guys like DT, Dake or JB stated "I'm not interested in coaching at this time", any AD would be foolish not to reach out to gauge interest if a spot opened up. I think DT will have an incredible coaching career, and even if Coleman ended up being their choice, it would have been shortsighted on OSU's part to simply hand the reigns over. Program rich in history and evaluating the market was the prudent approach. And DT securing such a lucrative contract clearly demonstrates that OSU went after him hard. Hell of a good hire imho.
Just my two cents.
We had shit luck with the two injuries but the Hawks did their best to make lemonade out of lemons. 3 in the finals with 5 AAs and a trophy locked up.
Why are more people not impressed with what Schwab has done? More proven than DT right now.
I think a lot of people are impressed. But they doubt he can elevate Iowa in the same way he has UNI.
Spencer stated before in a podcast he would like to be a coach …
something of great interest mentioned above about moving coaches around. The question is, can it be done? Meaning are there really any rules to how many coaches personnel people you can have? Can you make M* the recruiting guy? Can you make Terry the HWC coach? Can You move Telford to the S&C coach etc..... AND pay these coaches?
I mean we constantly hear about OUTRAGOUS numbers when it comes to NIL $$$$$, so can it be thrown into the club and used as the coaches wish??? I mean this would seem to be a NO brainer right!!! Then you could reach out to ANY and ALL who you think might wanna come coach at IOWA!!!!
I mean we constantly hear about OUTRAGOUS numbers when it comes to NIL $$$$$, so can it be thrown into the club and used as the coaches wish??? I mean this would seem to be a NO brainer right!!! Then you could reach out to ANY and ALL who you think might wanna come coach at IOWA!!!!
3 finalists and the only two who really underperformed were severely injured….
guess this was premature
guess this was premature
It’s been Schwab’s best season no doubt but they ended up with 2AAs and could very well drop out of the top ten since their only scorer in wrestlebacks is Happel iirc. I thought their over under for a good tourney was 3 AAs. I thought Keck, Happel and Downey were going to AA. Anything above that was really good. Imo, they underperformed.
I think I posted awhile back that their avg finish has been 4th or 5th at the Big 12s under Doug. This was the year that they were loaded with tons of experience and a top echelon point getter. It showed in duals, just didn’t at NCAAs which is a bummer.
There has been a lot of drum beating about replacing Tom with Doug….especially early on in the tourney. Things could have got way bad for Iowa and yet they did what they did…like they do every year. It’s not first but it’s where TB lives…better than any coach outside of State College. The guy you mentioned (DT) might be the guy that takes Tom’s place on a consistent basis every year but we’ll see.
I don't know that comparing what Doug gets done with the guys he has to work with at UNI says a whole lot. Literally everyone on that team besides Keck and Happel was a room guy type recruit on the Iowa recruiting scale. I can't say he is as better option but I can't say he isn't either. He got his Happel on the stand.
This Happel is/was WAY better coming out of high school than our Happel. No offense to Carter but Cael was a dominant high school wrestler.
I’m guessing that Carters experience wasn’t what the family hoped for so that could have been a major influence to look elsewhere. Just my opinion and no inside info.
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