Under preforming again

[texas twister]

Maybe you should go cheer for those other two teams. Many here won’t miss you.

You mean that I can no longer desire that Iowa be #1 by seeing their deficiencies and correcting them (maybe Kyle Dake hire for assistant)?

Point of order: Cruz was the 29 seed and a .500 wrestler. Going 0-2 isn’t “way under.”

This is Iowa. If he would not have tanked at Bigs, he would not have been seeded so poorly. He was seeded #5 at Bigs.

 

[SPOONER]

You mean that I can no longer desire that Iowa be #1 by seeing their deficiencies and correcting them (maybe Kyle Dake hire for assistant)?

This is Iowa. If he would not have tanked at Bigs, he would not have been seeded so poorly. He was seeded #5 at Bigs.

I agree that if you move the goalpost you have a better point.

 

[ChiPackHawk]

I’m just waiting for Smalls to come back and brag about his Teemer pick. 😉

 

[Bhabbaganoosh]

Iowa loses Buchanan, brings all other points back.

All three of OSUs finalists were transfers, and two graduate. The pokes may pass Iowa, but it hasn't happened yet.

Not only were two of their three finalists, but they were all transfers (not much mention).

Also, OSU loses 133, 157, 165, 174, 184, 197 and 285. Without a huge portal hit, OSU will be struggling next year. Doubtful Spratley repeats that performance.

 

[UndercoverHawk]

Not only were two of their three finalists, but they were all transfers (not much mention).

Also, OSU loses 133, 157, 165, 174, 184, 197 and 285. Without a huge portal hit, OSU will be struggling next year. Doubtful Spratley repeats that performance.

They will be plus big points at 197 next year

 

[LIV4GOD]

They will be plus big points at 197 next year

With whom?

 

[thom67]

I’m guessing that Carters experience wasn’t what the family hoped for so that could have been a major influence to look elsewhere. Just my opinion and no inside info.

That is correct.

 

[MALOS]

With whom?

Merril

 

[IAChief32]

Merril

That kid is going to be tough. I wonder if he is going to be able to hold that weight long term.

 

[west2east]

That kid is going to be tough. I wonder if he is going to be able to hold that weight long term.

Talk of him actually going 184 I don't see it but it's been rumored

 

[texas twister]

If not for two big injuries at 149/157 Iowa would be in 2nd place, quit your bitching.

Iowa lost to Nebby by 36 points. Your wishful thinking is more of a fantasy. Nebby also didn't have the hired guns that Iowa has. All theirs were recruited high schoolers and Nebby developed.

 

[acuhawk]

Iowa lost to Nebby by 36 points. Your wishful thinking is more of a fantasy. Nebby also didn't have the hired guns that Iowa has. All theirs were recruited high schoolers and Nebby developed.

Nebraska had a great tournament. History says it was a fluke. Props to Manning, and even bigger props if he can repeat it.

 

[OILCHECKER]

Carter was a 4 time champ and world team member.

Yeah, Carter was the bigger recruit of the two.

 

[vhsalum]

Talk of him actually going 184 I don't see it but it's been rumored

That's the plan. He's just SO SHORT at 197.

And BT can't get out of his own way.

 

[MitchLL]

That's the plan. He's just SO SHORT at 197.

And BT can't get out of his own way.

Too short for a weight class...

Other teams have similar issues.

 

[Hawkgma]

They were seeded to have 4 AAs. They have 2. Barring a big upset tonight, which I’m rooting for, neither of their AAs will wrestle above their seed. Fairly standard weak NCAA performance for them.

This was Doug’s best team after 15 seasons, and he’s to be commended for that, but it also says he’s right where he belongs—not at a major program.

good points

 

[Aleric1]

Iowa lost to Nebby by 36 points. Your wishful thinking is more of a fantasy. Nebby also didn't have the hired guns that Iowa has. All theirs were recruited high schoolers and Nebby developed.

They got Caleb Smith via transfer. This was his 2nd year in the program. Not that it really matters but wanted to point it out.

 

[texas twister]

They got Caleb Smith via transfer. This was his 2nd year in the program. Not that it really matters but wanted to point it out.

I didn't recall it. Iowa had 5 starters that transferred in.

 

[evashevsky58]

Why do people not give tan Tom and tosu more grief for under performance. Someone should do a break down of his average finishes at tosu. It seems he gets better recruits on average than Iowa and I’m willing to bet that his average finishes at nationals don’t out place iowas.

year	coach	record	BIG	NCAA	ave finish NCAA
1976-1977	Dan Gable	17-1-1	1st	3rd
1977-1978	Dan Gable	15-1	1st	1st
1978-1979	Dan Gable	19-0	1st	1st
1979-1980	Dan Gable	17-1	1st	1st
1980-1981	Dan Gable	21-1	1st	1st
1981-1982	Dan Gable	16-0-1	1st	1st
1982-1983	Dan Gable	17-1	1st	1st
1983-1984	Dan Gable	16-1	1st	1st
1984-1985	Dan Gable	18-0	1st	1st
1985-1986	Dan Gable	16-1	1st	1st
1986-1987	Dan Gable	19-2	1st	2nd
1987-1988	Dan Gable	16-3	1st	2nd
1988-1989	Dan Gable	17-2	1st	6th
1989-1990	Dan Gable	19-2-1	1st	3rd
1990-1991	Dan Gable	25-0-1	1st	1st
1991-1992	Dan Gable	16-0-0	1st	1st
1992-1993	Dan Gable	14-1-1	1st	1st
1993-1994	Dan Gable	(11-3-0)	1st	2nd
1994-1995	Dan Gable	14-0	1st	1st
1995-1996	Dan Gable	17-0	1st	1st
1996-1997	Dan Gable	15-1	1st	1st	1.57​
1997-1998	Jim Zalesky	13-3	1st	1st
1998-1999	Jim Zalesky	13-4	2nd	1st
1999-2000	Jim Zalesky	18-0	1st	1st
2000-2001	Jim Zalesky	18-4	3rd	2nd
2001-2002	Jim Zalesky	16-4	2nd	4th
2002-2003	Jim Zalesky	17-3	2nd	8th
2003-2004	Jim Zalesky	(11-4)	1st	2nd
2004-2005	Jim Zalesky	(10-5)	4th	7th
2005-2006	Jim Zalesky	(11-7)	6th	4th	3.33​
2006-2007	Tom Brands	14-5	3rd	8th
2007-2008	Tom Brands	21-1	1st	1st
2008-2009	Tom Brands	24-0	1st	1st
2009-2010	Tom Brands	23-0	1st	1st
2010-2011	Tom Brands	15-0-1	2nd	3rd
2011-2012	Tom Brands	14-4	3rd	3rd
2012-2013	Tom Brands	20-3	3rd	4th
2013-2014	Tom Brands	15-2	2nd	4th
2014-2015	Tom Brands	17-1	T-1st	2nd
2015-2016	Tom Brands	16-1	2nd	5th
2016-2017	Tom Brands	13-2	3rd	4th
2017-2018	Tom Brands	(12-3)	4th	3rd
2018-2019	Tom Brands	14-1	3rd	4th
2019-2020	Tom Brands	13-0	1st	N/A
2020-2021	Tom Brands	(5-0)	1st	1st
2021-2022	Tom Brands	14-1	3rd	3rd
2022-2023	Tom Brands	15-1	2nd	2nd
2023-2024	Tom Brands	(12-2)	4th	5th
2024-2025	Tom Brands	14-1	3rd	4th	3.22​
Tom Ryan					6.5​
	toss 29th place finish				5.18​

 

[12tdsaw]

6 dual meet loses in the last 7 years, need a new coach

 

[MilleGinja]

year	coach	record	BIG	NCAA	ave finish NCAA
1976-1977	Dan Gable	17-1-1	1st	3rd
1977-1978	Dan Gable	15-1	1st	1st
1978-1979	Dan Gable	19-0	1st	1st
1979-1980	Dan Gable	17-1	1st	1st
1980-1981	Dan Gable	21-1	1st	1st
1981-1982	Dan Gable	16-0-1	1st	1st
1982-1983	Dan Gable	17-1	1st	1st
1983-1984	Dan Gable	16-1	1st	1st
1984-1985	Dan Gable	18-0	1st	1st
1985-1986	Dan Gable	16-1	1st	1st
1986-1987	Dan Gable	19-2	1st	2nd
1987-1988	Dan Gable	16-3	1st	2nd
1988-1989	Dan Gable	17-2	1st	6th
1989-1990	Dan Gable	19-2-1	1st	3rd
1990-1991	Dan Gable	25-0-1	1st	1st
1991-1992	Dan Gable	16-0-0	1st	1st
1992-1993	Dan Gable	14-1-1	1st	1st
1993-1994	Dan Gable	(11-3-0)	1st	2nd
1994-1995	Dan Gable	14-0	1st	1st
1995-1996	Dan Gable	17-0	1st	1st
1996-1997	Dan Gable	15-1	1st	1st	1.57​
1997-1998	Jim Zalesky	13-3	1st	1st
1998-1999	Jim Zalesky	13-4	2nd	1st
1999-2000	Jim Zalesky	18-0	1st	1st
2000-2001	Jim Zalesky	18-4	3rd	2nd
2001-2002	Jim Zalesky	16-4	2nd	4th
2002-2003	Jim Zalesky	17-3	2nd	8th
2003-2004	Jim Zalesky	(11-4)	1st	2nd
2004-2005	Jim Zalesky	(10-5)	4th	7th
2005-2006	Jim Zalesky	(11-7)	6th	4th	3.33​
2006-2007	Tom Brands	14-5	3rd	8th
2007-2008	Tom Brands	21-1	1st	1st
2008-2009	Tom Brands	24-0	1st	1st
2009-2010	Tom Brands	23-0	1st	1st
2010-2011	Tom Brands	15-0-1	2nd	3rd
2011-2012	Tom Brands	14-4	3rd	3rd
2012-2013	Tom Brands	20-3	3rd	4th
2013-2014	Tom Brands	15-2	2nd	4th
2014-2015	Tom Brands	17-1	T-1st	2nd
2015-2016	Tom Brands	16-1	2nd	5th
2016-2017	Tom Brands	13-2	3rd	4th
2017-2018	Tom Brands	(12-3)	4th	3rd
2018-2019	Tom Brands	14-1	3rd	4th
2019-2020	Tom Brands	13-0	1st	N/A
2020-2021	Tom Brands	(5-0)	1st	1st
2021-2022	Tom Brands	14-1	3rd	3rd
2022-2023	Tom Brands	15-1	2nd	2nd
2023-2024	Tom Brands	(12-2)	4th	5th
2024-2025	Tom Brands	14-1	3rd	4th	3.22​
Tom Ryan					6.5​
	toss 29th place finish				5.18​

Someone in another thread commented about results from the 2010s and 2020s being night and day. But based on this, it’s more like day and also day.

 

[texas twister]

6 dual meet loses in the last 7 years, need a new coach

Is that the new standard? Iowa does need a new coach - an assistant upper weight coach that will turn heads. I have suggested Dake.

 

[johnyt9]

Is that the new standard? Iowa does need a new coach - an assistant upper weight coach that will turn heads. I have suggested Dake.

good suggestion - you should tell Dake

 

[T8KUDWN]

Is that the new standard? Iowa does need a new coach - an assistant upper weight coach that will turn heads. I have suggested Dake.

You always have suggestions and most negative threads and posts are done by you.
In your head you have to be the smartest guy in the room.
Maybe you need a new team??

 

[texas twister]

You always have suggestions and most negative threads and posts are done by you.
In your head you have to be the smartest guy in the room.
Maybe you need a new team??

I just see deficiencies and point them out. Captain Kirk didn't know that his OC/QBC sucked - I helped him understand. FM never realized that he needed a coach to teach defense and how to rebound. I tried to help him out but Beth axed him instead. 15 years of me squabbling just didn't get the trick done. Coach Brands needs an upper weight assistant/technician with name recognization to impress young recruits. Until Buchannan (a hired gun), Iowa hadn't had an upperwight national champion in 15 years. That is a glaring problem. The sooner he fixes it thew better; otherwise, OSU will bury Iowa along with PSU.

 

[slushhead]

6 dual meet loses in the last 7 years, need a new coach

 

[MSU158]

Have any of you guys read this board when Iowa wins a close dual meet? Hell, have you read it when they win 30-8?

Make no mistake, if Iowa was barely losing to PSU at NCAA’s but losing 5-6 dual meets per year, Brands would already be gone…

 

[jack66]

Nebraska had a great tournament. History says it was a fluke. Props to Manning, and even bigger props if he can repeat it.

Nebraska returns 6 AAs and the 2nd most points from last weekend.

Things can change over the next seven months, but right now, they have the inside track for second.