Under preforming again
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I gathered that. People hear a lot of things. It's a moot point now
Nope. 125 - way under
133 - great
141 - way under
149 - way under and injured - was already under performing TF'd Bigs by someone 2 - 0 against.
157 - injured
165 - great
174 - great
184 - big time under
197 - great
285 - right there
TEAM - way under. Nebby says "hello little sister" and David Taylor has ALREADY passed Iowa up.
You need to go over to Isu and give them their underperforming analysis. They are not in the top 17 team points for sure. Not sure where they are. We definitely did not have the tourney we wanted, but last night and tonight could go a long way in putting us in the direction we want headed to next year. Block getting hurt and not giving us anything at 141 really hurt us this year and we have not had trouble at 125 for several years. Deluca is needed in a bad way if he is physically ready for the grind of the Big ten. Get Aj back in Iowa City with his brother and let's go.
The fact he qualified for NCAAs is a feather in their cap. What place did he get at soldier salute? His only advantage is when he gets a guy right off the scale.
The kid is an 118 lb. Hopefully he will put more work in getting bigger this off-season. He's got a tough mofo coming in for his spot.
The kid is an 118 lb. Hopefully he will put more work in getting bigger this off-season. He's got a tough mofo coming in for his spot.
They were seeded to have 4 AAs. They have 2. Barring a big upset tonight, which I’m rooting for, neither of their AAs will wrestle above their seed. Fairly standard weak NCAA performance for them.
This was Doug’s best team after 15 seasons, and he’s to be commended for that, but it also says he’s right where he belongs—not at a major program.
Maybe you should go cheer for those other two teams. Many here won’t miss you.
Point of order: Cruz was the 29 seed and a .500 wrestler. Going 0-2 isn’t “way under.”
you are high as a kite. using 125, 141, and 149 makes zero sense. 125 was a 29 seed. 141 didn’t even make the tournament so how could they underperform? 149 blew out his knee so instead you are trying to use his big ten performance to say he underperformed at ncaas? Make that make sense.
Gabe was an 11 seed and lost in the rd of 16 so was there a slight underperformance sure but big time? i am far from a brands defender but get a grip man.
If not for two big injuries at 149/157 Iowa would be in 2nd place, quit your bitching.
Iowa loses Buchanan, brings all other points back.
All three of OSUs finalists were transfers, and two graduate. The pokes may pass Iowa, but it hasn't happened yet.
Well the guys he had to work with had winnable matches in the tourney:
Downey lost to Bianchi and Swisher. Didn't make rd of 12
Realbuto lost to Webster and Hines to go 1-2
I really liked Voelker's run to Rd of 12 and saw him as maybe a guy who could AA. He had a nice path to it but lost to Stout.
I thought that if UNI was going to get more than a few AAs, these were their guys. Folks want to (rightfully) laud Doug for the dual season, Big 12 results, "oh look, they are ahead of Iowa isn't he great," and then ignore the actual final results. This was the year to make the top 5 for them and it was very doable. Next year, it's very possible for them to slide back to 15-20. Not going to call it a Dresser slide but it's going to be tough sledding without those points at 84.
Trust me, I've thought long and hard about Doug being the next guy after Brands because he is an Iowa guy, good coach etc. But is he good enough to compete against Cael, DT, tan Tom etc in a more rigorous Big Ten schedule? People complain about Tom and then want to hire the kinder, gentler version of him. Personally, I'd want a killer with credentials...someone like Dake.
Should we worry about anything some guy sez who can’t even spell Underperforming?
Good post, and happy that you are recovering Chief. I've heard that lobodomies are a bitch! 🤣
I think after his father died last year, Dake is trying to find his future path. If he really wants to be a coach, Dake is one of those "it" guys. Maybe the only one out there besides Spencer. Not sure I see Dake, who seems introverted, as a great recruiter. That's a sales job and he doesn't look the part to be honest. I would probably say the same about Spencer too, Recruiting well is the easiest path to a title.
I think Nolf would be an “it” guy. Great personality, great guy, elite wrestling knowledge, and is very good at breaking down techniques.
Why do people not give tan Tom and tosu more grief for under performance. Someone should do a break down of his average finishes at tosu. It seems he gets better recruits on average than Iowa and I’m willing to bet that his average finishes at nationals don’t out place iowas.
I agree but he seems to be going in a different direction for a few years, which in the long run may be better for rounding his skillset out. That said, by 2029, Iowa would do well to investigate Jason as a candidate before auto handing the keys to Spencer. Jason checks all the boxes.
Him and Spencer also seem to have a good relationship could be quite the 1-2 punch as HC/Assistant HC.
He’d be awesome. Talented, smart, humble and such a good person. He has all the tools to be an incredible coach imho.
His famous #1 recruiting class from a few years ago has completely crapped the bed, so no argument from me. He is getting some space because of Sammy Sasso and his own accident. Honestly, Tan Tom is on the downside of his career. I don't see him at tOSU in five years.
Thanks man! I've always kind of thought Dake was kind of arrogant, standoffish type but then I've spoke with people that know him and they say he is fairly personable so who knows.
Now that you said it, Nolf is great as well. Nolf, Kemerer and Spencer plus maybe an older guy on staff...a Young Guns reunion with a great mix of styles. In any event, Tom should be looking towards that future with some type of transition...get the heir apparent in here and show them the admin ropes.
Schwab would be major upgrade! 🤞 i know iowa is only school hed leave for.. hes well liked and respected nation wide. Kids parents coaches refs! Yes thats a big deal
“Dream Team”. Make them both “Co-head Coaches”, open the checkbook and enjoy the ride.
To add to this, I'm not sure DT and Gilman are a perfect match long term for this very reason.
Kemerer is a great coach. I don't know who it was, but one of the MN wrestlers credited Mike for his success today.
McEnelly? Yea, heard that out of all the guys that came through Iowa in the past ten years, Kemerer was the one that Tom saw as being the guy some day. I also think Nolf would fit like that plus he brings a ton of knowledge from PSU. Both guys just scream authentic. Bring Spencer on as HWC Coach and build a RTC under him.
Should just pass the torch to Stieber or try to get Snyder to come back.
Without Mendez tOSU would be dead in the water, but somehow they are still pulling in high recruits.
That's a sound path to me. Iowa needs new ideas. Kem being from here and learning new ways at MN counts for a lot to me. Conversely, Nolf is becoming a CEO of his martial arts business and has the same knowledge as DT of the PSU room. That also counts for something.
Be careful though. tOSU may be looking to Logan as their next head coach, but they will be looking at the same time as Iowa for a new coach. Don't assume tOSU won't go after one of these guys and screw Logie Bear.
I don't see the draw of tOSU for recruits. Maybe it's the NIL. Lately, Ryan has done less with more than most coaches. That said, Ryan will leave on his own terms but you can't trust tOSU as far as you can thrown them. You guys know that.
Is Jaggers no longer there? He was the one running the team, and bad mouthing Ryan last year. Thought he was heir apparent.
Apples and oranges! Put doug in IC with hawk resources….outperform brands and will lead with class respect and preformance
tOSU guys seem to think it's Logie Bear's to lose. Honestly though, what does Jaggers add to the mix with recruits? A 4 timer or a 2 timer. Logan has the cache that you are looking for with recruits. Ryan and Logan have done joint recruiting trips so it seems that he is being promoted. Not sure Logan is a good coach though. Just look at the progress. It's what made me say to be careful. You may have a competitor for head coach in the 2029 window.
You’re the guy who told us Doug was getting the most out of Happel and Iowa made a HUGE mistake by not recruiting him. Doug led him to being a single time AA, finishing 5th this year. 😂 Yeah that’s just what Iowa needs.
Doug is a fine coach but he’s continually plagued by very similar issues to Brands, from an underperformance, burnout, and injury standpoint. Yes, he would do much better at Iowa than UNI (duh) but he’d be a lot more of the same. He would be nicer about it. lol
There's no comparison between the 2 guys Regarding working out, and eating sleeping breathing wrestling. All the locals expected Cael to have the better career. If you could have combined them you would really have something. Carter's technique with Caels prioritizing the sport.
