University of Iowa at Des Moines
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Where was the lie on athletics? A closed door meeting if a private college where they are talking about athletics and drawing the conclusion that these athletes can apply somewhere else is not lying to anyone. Closed door meetings to make a decision is not the same thing as lying. Does anyone really think aib sports should be the driving factor on this? Who by the way stole and released those minutes? Aib is not a public entity and whomever did that should be prosecuted
Where was the lie? Are you not paying attention? How about the original press conference when nancy Williams was asked about athletics. And she said no decision was made. Or how about the next day when she had a q&a with the students, and they asked about it,, and she said no decision had been made., and claimed to support the athletes, and told them she would fight for them. All the while knowing that was all false. And I can assure you, no athletes stole and released those minutes. And nobody said athletics should be the driving factor in this. But a lot of those kids come from thousands of miles away, and took a chance to move to Iowa, and go to an unknown school and try to build something. Have a little integrity and some kind of ethics. And don't lie to the face of the kids you claim to care about.
This post was edited on 1/30 9:27 AM by brownd7949hawks
This post was edited on 1/30 9:27 AM by brownd7949hawks
Wasn't hidden? IDK, their president got up at a conference and said they weren't having any financial difficulty.
"AIB College of Business is not seeking any kind of financial relief. In fact the college is virtually debt free," Williams said.
Lot of other misleading things said at press conference.
Yes, actually I do. Like I said, maybe not scientific. They do scientific polls to see who is leading an election. Those polls have a margin for error, but are fairly accurate by using a small percentage of actual voters. Then the election actually happens using everybody that votes.
Well, the non-scientific Facebook "likes" poll uses the "election numbers." In other words, a whole mess of people, not just a swath from several different areas. Scientific? No. Accurate? You bet your wrinkly ass.
I gave a question, since you seem to be avoiding this. Do you know the difference between Central Iowa and the Metro? Story/Boone Counties would certainly skew numbers toward ISU in Central Iowa, but that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about the Metro. Think of it this way. Your argument is that Central Texas is conservative, and you are using that to combat my assertion that Austin is liberal. You would probably be correct, but we are talking about something completely different.
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1.4M on this is virtually debt free. That is a true statement. You are the lair in this situation. A liar with an agenda
So....on other topics....how about that federal investigation at ISU on sexual assault? Talk about a cover up. Must be serious for the feds to feel the need to get involved.
Actually, unless the government has changed its definitions, Ames is part of the Des Moines metro area at least in one SMSA description. If you're going to use something else, you should define it ahead of time.
And the poll I cited is a highly respected, scientific poll. It was, for instance, the most accurate of all the polls in last fall's elections in Iowa.
If you're going to use Facebook "likes," then I'll use the number of vanity license plates purchased, which puts ISU in the lead throughout the state.
Seriously, are there more Hawkeye fans than Cyclone fans within the city limits of Des Moines? Polk County? There might be. I have no idea.
This post was edited on 1/30 10:28 AM by Lone Clone
A discussion about what might happen to the student athletes behind closed doors is not the same thing as a decison
The truth is if you care that it is not her decision to make if the school is truly coming to Iowa. It is Iowa's decision on what happens. She may have influence and might even try to put conditions but it wouldn't be her decision
Any rational thinking person would conclude though that the athletics programs at aib will go away.
The truth is if you care that it is not her decision to make if the school is truly coming to Iowa. It is Iowa's decision on what happens. She may have influence and might even try to put conditions but it wouldn't be her decision
Any rational thinking person would conclude though that the athletics programs at aib will go away.
Lol. Skirt around it all you want. She knew the answers to the questions, and lied.. And your right. Most rational ppl did realize it would go away. So why not be honest about it? You must be related to her, cause you sound just like her blaming it on everyone but herself..
I couldn't find anything that included Ames in the "Des Moines metro." I did find something that included Ames called the "CSA," but specifically said "this also includes the Ames metro area. It is quite possible that what you are referring to changed in the early 2000's when Ames became a city of over 50k, or at least they were trying to, and I think they accomplished it. I was living in Ames at the time and they were trying to convince the students to claim Ames as their permanent residence. The reason as I understood it, was to get some sort of governmental benefit by exceeding 50k...I'm sure it was for the 2000 census?
Anyway, the Des Moines metro 500k+. The area that would also include Ames is 700k+.
Also, every damn person in America seems to have Facebook. A poll that uses Facebook likes might be the most accurate poll in the history of our fine country...or at least I am going to believe it since it bolsters my argument in this case.
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The feds have something called SMSA - Standard Metropolitan Statistical Areas. At one time, the Des Moines SMSA was Polk County, only, and there was a Des Moines-Ames SMSA, as there is a Cedar Rapids-Iowa City SMSA.
If you want to use Facebook likes, then I insist on using vanity plate registrations.
At least we've moved on from that absurd 5-1 claim, he'll even LC wouldn't throw that bullsht out there.
I'll look in to your ISU link, nice to see someone actually attempt to support their claim for once in here. (Even if it is a vastly different claim than the one, you know, claimed earlier.
I'll look in to your ISU link, nice to see someone actually attempt to support their claim for once in here. (Even if it is a vastly different claim than the one, you know, claimed earlier.
Also, I'm confused about the claim that BOR won't cover AIB's debt....didn't it say, when the press conference was held, that their endowment money would cover that debt first?
I really, truly don't care about AIB and the merger, just thought it was interesting.
I really, truly don't care about AIB and the merger, just thought it was interesting.
I don't know if it's still true, but at one time there were more ISU grads than UI grads in Linn County. There definitely were not more ISU sports fans, though.
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"The Metro," or the "Golden Circle" as it is sometimes referred to here does not include Ames. If it did, the inclusion of Ames in the name would not be necessary. You would say the "Des Moines Metro," and that would include Ames. Anyway, only theiowahawk can confirm what he was talking about when he said "Metro." Theiowahawk, when you said "Metro," did you mean "The Des Moines Metro," or were you talking about the Ames-Des Moines SMSA? Only you know.
Lone, you keep poo pooing the Facebook poll, and as I have admitted in practically every post, it is not scientific. However, that does not mean it is inaccurate. Ask yourself this. There are 1,055 zip codes in Iowa. If it is so ridiculous, don't you think there would be at least one place in this state outside of Story County where it would be inaccurate in favor of Cyclone fans?
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Not entirely sure why you are throwing this back to me, I listed Dallas, Polk, and Warren specifically.
I would define the Metro as the following suburbs/school districts:
Des Moines
West Des Moines
Waukee
Urbandale
Johnston
Ankeny
Altoona
SE Polk
I may be leaving out some others, but the point is that I would not consider: Ames, ADM, Indianola, etc. Soon we can even be including DCG and others that are getting pulled in.
LC is right in one regard, I used the word "absolutely" in saying there are more Hawkeye fans than ISU fans. I should have prefaced that with, "imo". Anecdotally, whatever. Sure there are more ISU signs/licenseplated/sweatshirts/hats/flags in the Metro than anywhere else in the state (including Ames), but that does NOT mean that there are more ISU fans than Iowa fans. As I stated my opinion earlier, it became the "in" thing to do in the last decade to be an ISU fan in the metro. I think this was for two reasons:
1) Pollard and his marketing
2) DM - ISU fans are, largely, graduates, people with good jobs and expendable income, and therefore are "unlike" the stereotypical ISU fans. They created a niche of fans that believe they were even above Iowa fans (often the type who call others "Tavern Hawks").
Am I saying this is objectively true? No, just my experience from living in various parts of the State and now residing in the metro.
Poo-poo the Facebook poll all you want, but "scientific" polls have been wrong, well, in every election cycle ever. It isn't like we have to agree on this.
I called out one highlighted piece of stupidity, someone claiming that ISU "owns" the metro and that (let me bold this), kids go to ISU over Iowa at a 5-1 clip. What astounding bullsht.
I'm taking a look at 12345's ISU pdf now. Seems to show a little over 25k alumni residing in Polk County, anyone know the number for Iowa? I asked earlier, but will ask again, how many members of the I-Club / Cy-Club?
Even taking the numbers that 12345 posted at face value, it ignores the fact that Ames is so much closer to Des Moines. Well, maybe it doesn't ignore it, it just doesn't acknowledge it. How many remain living in Polk? Does that mean that ISU is out-marketing Iowa? Maybe, but not necessarily. ISU may just be the most-feasible travel-option for those who stay at home. Good for ISU in that regard, it has improved significantly in the last 20 years as the Metro has greatly expanded north and more and more kids of that age have vehicles.
Every year Iowa and ISU put out, roughly, the same number of grads, therefore the Alumni difference isn't staggering. What we seem to be discussing is "fans", and I would hope everyone agrees that Iowa dwarfs that of ISU in that regard statewide.
This is a preposterous argument. I don't know any ISU fans who claim there are more Cyclone fans than Hawkeye fans in the state. But some of you guys aren't content with that.
All the criteria cited here except my citation of the Iowa Poll are bogus, and the Iowa Poll is more than 10 years old, so it might be bogus, as well.
You simply can't equate grads with fans, for one thing. Historically, athletics has not been a big deal with ISU students, while going to the game on Saturday has always been a big part of campus social life in Iowa City. I think that has changed a lot in the past 20 years, but it's still a fact of life.
Also, engineers, scientists and farmers simply don't tend to have as much interest in sports as lawyers, teachers, doctors, etc. That's one reason why, as I pointed out, the fact there were more ISU grads in Linn County didn't translate to their being more ISU fans in Linn County.
All the criteria cited here except my citation of the Iowa Poll are bogus, and the Iowa Poll is more than 10 years old, so it might be bogus, as well.
You simply can't equate grads with fans, for one thing. Historically, athletics has not been a big deal with ISU students, while going to the game on Saturday has always been a big part of campus social life in Iowa City. I think that has changed a lot in the past 20 years, but it's still a fact of life.
Also, engineers, scientists and farmers simply don't tend to have as much interest in sports as lawyers, teachers, doctors, etc. That's one reason why, as I pointed out, the fact there were more ISU grads in Linn County didn't translate to their being more ISU fans in Linn County.
I don't think anything about that statement is true, or could in any way be verified, or, hell, even tested.
But, I'm curious in your opinion of the Facebook "like" thing you scoffed at. Why do you discount it? Are you thinking that one side somehow fraudulently skewed the results? Do you think it wasn't specific enough?
Taking things in reverse order:
The Facebook thing: It isn't a survey of who roots for which teams. It's a survey of who is most active on Facebook. Have you ever heard of GIGO? That's what this is. It's like the famous Literary Digest poll -- which was considered very dependable at the time -- that showed FDR getting his ass kicked in the 1932 presidential election. I'm linking a similar map based on Facebook likes that shows Nebraska and Texas as the most popular teams in Iowa. Or look closely at the map you keep citing....it shows Nebraska barely with a presence in Iowa, and everybody who's ever spent time anywhere near the border knows better than that. How about the Capital One Mascot Challenge in 2007, when the voting showed the most popular college mascot in the world was Cy the Cardinal?
The bogus thing: I said the Iowa Poll could be called bogus; I should have said it could be called inaccurate because it is out of date. Frankly, I think a newer poll would probably benefit ISU, since the one I cited was taken before Pollard and his marketing, plus Fred and his basketball, arrived on the scene. But the Iowa Poll is a scientific poll and is widely respected. It is reasonable to think that at the time it was taken, it was accurate.
The metro thing: Again, define metro. Even if you eliminate Story County, you are talking about an area that is far closer to ISU than to Iowa. There is absolutely nothing inconsistent about Iowa having a statewide advantage but not having one, or having a very small one, in the Des Moines metro area. You have to consider that most of the state's people live in Eastern Iowa. The Hawkeyes have a big advantage in Waterloo, Dubuque, the Quad Cities, Cedar Rapids, Burlington, Iowa City. Moreover, look at the Iowa Poll again......it shows ISU with a 5-3 advantage in Central Iowa. Just think for a second.....is it possible for Story County to have such a huge ISU advantage that it swamps the Iowa advantage in the Des Moines metro area? That isn't logical. Just do that math. I don't know what kind of an edge you think Iowa has in the metro area. Just run the numbers and see how big a bulge ISU would have to have in Story County to switch the overall numbers to 5-3 for ISU.
The engineer/lawyer thing: My feeling is entirely anecdotal, of course, but it is based on a lot of time spent with these people, including a lot of time pushing membership in the regional Cyclone clubs.
The Tavern Hawk thing: Not sure why you brought it up, since we seem to agree that graduates isn't the same thing as fans.
Another view
Most of Wisconsins D-3 schools are public universities. You pay a public school price, but go to a school that is a little bigger than Wartburg and plays D-3 sports. It's a pretty good deal... My cousin plays basketball for AIB. They are having one of their best years ever. He went to AIB to be part of a "new era" I certainly hope he gets to continue what he started.
There is no reason that UI-Des Moines can't participate in D-3 athletics.
You know what isu is really good at? Waiting until players are arrested to tell the world they were tossed off the team. Well that is when they aren't taking thugs tossed off the team from MSU right Looneyclown?
Still waiting for you to tell us which guard from MSU that Lord Hoiber took wasn't actually thrown off the team.
Pure Gold.
Still waiting for you to tell us which guard from MSU that Lord Hoiber took wasn't actually thrown off the team.
Pure Gold.
There it is again. FG and Looneyclown love to ignore how isu and clown fans act.
You could call it their core competency.
More I say, we want more. We want more. We want more.
You could call it their core competency.
More I say, we want more. We want more. We want more.
Called it again. FG will call out Iowa and then ignore how isu and clown fans act. It works every time. Just watch.
Pollads pet is back again. Throw rocks at Iowa and ignore how isu and clown fans act.
Who is FG86 Alex? Correct for $100.
Who is FG86 Alex? Correct for $100.
100years you're a moron. I'd like to go back to discussing how incompetent Nancy Williams is, or Atleast make fun of the name change... Regional regents campus?
I would like it if isu and clown fans didn't act like douchebags. Any idea when we can expect that?
# it's not fair
# it's not fair
Nancy and Sally make quite the pair. And now it sounds like UNI and ISU could be involved in this regents campus.
How many of the current students will even remain? Sounds like they are being pushed out. My guess it will be mostly those who will finish their degrees next year will be the ones remaining.
Throw rocks at Iowa and ignore how isu behaves. The complete existance of our favorite clown fan FG86.
Just another day that ends in Y.
Just another day that ends in Y.
450 kids won't graduate.. They might be able to cram in summer sessions and Atleast get their AA. Just a week ago, they both claimed that aib students would become iowa students, and no students would be negatively harmed.... Now they have to apply to uofi, and hope to get in... If they even want to Lie lie lie. And Chris costa goes up there yesterday and lies some more.. They trying to keep their heads high like they weren't the exact reason aib is broke. And they are broke don't let them kid ya. This whole thing stinks... Basically they are trying to make it impossible for the regents to turn down..
edit to add. One thing they didn't mention on tv was any aib student who wishes to continue and recieve their degree, will first have to be admitted to Iowa under their guidelines.... Then (here's the kicker) move to Iowa city to finish their degree.
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edit to add. One thing they didn't mention on tv was any aib student who wishes to continue and recieve their degree, will first have to be admitted to Iowa under their guidelines.... Then (here's the kicker) move to Iowa city to finish their degree.
This post was edited on 2/6 9:31 AM by brownd7949hawks
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