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Update: Noah Shannon CLEARED TO PRACTICE. 26 UI student-athletes investigated for online gambling, incl in FB, Men’s BB, Baseball, T&F & Wrestling

But if the police recognized 1000 speeders and only gave tickets to football players and let everyone else off the hook, how would you feel? I am not saying they did not do something wrong but this was clearly targeted. Something else going on here behind the scenes that doesn’t smell right.
In much of "academia" there is disdain, distaste, and even pure hatred for sports, football in particular. Many academic types are clueless, of course, just as many football cognoscenti are clueless that there's much more to campus life than Saturday football games.

You can bet--see what I did there!--that athletes are being targeted.
 

Kirk Ferentz calls out hypocrisy of NCAA gambling regulations​

by: Blake Hornstein
Posted: Aug 8, 2023 / 07:08 PM CDT
Updated: Aug 9, 2023 / 08:50 AM CDT

Iowa football head coach Kirk Ferentz’s team has already been snake-bitten by his players violating NCAA gambling regulations. Aaron Blom’s collegiate career is likely over, Noah Shannon’s has come into question, and the NCAA cracking down on college gambling on college sports is not ending anytime soon.

Ferentz doesn’t have the answer to the problem — but he did share some personal thoughts on the nature of the regulations themselves. Or rather, a story of Ferentz watching ESPN on his couch and being exposed to the projection of betting elements on the broadcast.

“They’re talking about spreads and all that. We got a really fancy TV system now — we got YouTube TV,” Ferentz said. So I got ESPNews — Mary’s opened the budget up a little bit.

“So I got ESPNews on and they got lines on the opening day of college football games on the left. So to think that kids aren’t going to be attracted that — and I understand they give you the ‘bet with us and we’ll give you a 300 free dollars or you can lose 300 of our dollars’ and then lose the rest of your money.

“It’s just like… let’s acknowledge that and let’s deal with it in a common sense way.”
 
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Kirk Ferentz calls out hypocrisy of NCAA gambling regulations​

by: Blake Hornstein
Posted: Aug 8, 2023 / 07:08 PM CDT
Updated: Aug 9, 2023 / 08:50 AM CDT

Iowa football head coach Kirk Ferentz’s team has already been snake-bitten by his players violating NCAA gambling regulations. Aaron Blom’s collegiate career is likely over, Noah Shannon’s has come into question, and the NCAA cracking down on college gambling on college sports is not ending anytime soon.

Ferentz doesn’t have the answer to the problem — but he did share some personal thoughts on the nature of the regulations themselves. Or rather, a story of Ferentz watching ESPN on his couch and being exposed to the projection of betting elements on the broadcast.

“They’re talking about spreads and all that. We got a really fancy TV system now — we got YouTube TV,” Ferentz said. So I got ESPNews — Mary’s opened the budget up a little bit.

“So I got ESPNews on and they got lines on the opening day of college football games on the left. So to think that kids aren’t going to be attracted that — and I understand they give you the ‘bet with us and we’ll give you a 300 free dollars or you can lose 300 of our dollars’ and then lose the rest of your money.

“It’s just like… let’s acknowledge that and let’s deal with it in a common sense way.”

not sure what the solution is other than to ban all student athlete gambling until their eligibility is up
 
Financial transactions are regulated. Gambling is also regulated. Using someone else's credentials to do either is illegal...particularly if you're underage and using an adult's account to circumvent the law. The term "tampering" may not seem to fit, but the action is clearly illegal.
Yep. It should probably be called fraud, but its most certainly a criminal act......
 
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Players getting paid to come play for a program does not compromise the integrity of the outcome of games; players placing wagers on what is going to happen in their own games does. This shouldn't be hard to comprehend.
How does it not. By the very definition of recruiting, if they were not induced to attend a certain school, and went elsewhere, could a couple of 5 stars not change the outcome of future games? If not then what is the big deal about recruiting highly rated players. That shouldn't be that hard to understand either.....
 
How does it not. By the very definition of recruiting, if they were not induced to attend a certain school, and went elsewhere, could a couple of 5 stars not change the outcome of future games? If not then what is the big deal about recruiting highly rated players. That shouldn't be that hard to understand either.....

I look at gambling and recruiting separately. If you have a kicker, for example, betting on his own team, that causes big time issues and could impact the player's decisions and game outcomes.

When it comes to recruiting, unfortunately pay to play has been around for a long time, where it used to be banned. Think of all the schools/programs (Kansas basketball, Auburn football, etc) who have won national championships as a result. Now that everyone is now paying players to come to their schools (Iowa football, especially), I wonder if we now have a better chance to compete.... After all, our QB was going to be Labas; instead, it will be McNamara. That upgrade in itself gives us better chances at winning games and championships.
 
I know. I think it was 2005?????? Drew Tate knocked out. We were favored pretty big.

Will be there with my son sporting the Hawk gear.

Good memory. #8 Iowa lost Tate w/ a concussion midway thru the 2nd qtr. The unranked Clowns led 16-0 at half and won 23-3. All of the Clown's points came off Iowa turnovers. The Clowns recovered 3 fumbles & intercepted 2 passes (one was a pick 6).

You don't want to be leaving that stadium with a Hawkeye loss this season, thats for sure. We should be favored, but the line will be interesting.
 
Good memory. #8 Iowa lost Tate w/ a concussion midway thru the 2nd qtr. The unranked Clowns led 16-0 at half and won 23-3. All of the Clown's points came off Iowa turnovers. The Clowns recovered 3 fumbles & intercepted 2 passes (one was a pick 6).

You don't want to be leaving that stadium with a Hawkeye loss this season, thats for sure. We should be favored, but the line will be interesting.
I have been there for quite a few. I’m respectful and never had anyone say anything to me. I don’t go near the college age students. Know what I would hear from them. We visit a couple tailgates of people I know. Have a beer or two and some good food. Everybody is good about it.
 
I have been there for quite a few. I’m respectful and never had anyone say anything to me. I don’t go near the college age students. Know what I would hear from them. We visit a couple tailgates of people I know. Have a beer or two and some good food. Everybody is good about it.
ISU fans are spineless
 
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There's no fan base that talks more trash when they can...and shrivels up and disappear more when they inevitably crash and burn...than the clones
The clowns don't hold a candle to the Husker Fans regarding annoyance. So you are way off. The Clown fanbase is the way they are because they have a significant inferiority complex. They are so desperate to be relevant. This inferiority complex is generational and it is tied back to the late 1970s, all of the 1980s and 1990s. They were terrible and their cross-state rival team was (and still is) THE team for this state. Their animosity towards Iowa is based on generational jealousy. It didn't help that we Iowa fans of yesteryear constantly kicked them in the nuts when they were down. It was easy to poke fun at them because back in the day they were apathetic and agreeable. It's no wonder that when they slightly turned things around they overinflated their own relevance and garnered a bit of a strut of pride so to speak. They also have a carnival huckster Athletic AD who is the master of selling snake oil (which is exactly what he needs to do). Based on perpetual irrelevance, their fan base takes every sliver of success and disproportionates it into the delusion of being relevant in the eyes of outsiders. In reality, the rest of the college football world outside of the BIG 12 hasn't a clue who Iowa State is or even knows that Ames Iowa exists. This reality annoys the hell out of clown fans when they are in public places while on summer vacation in another state and a random stranger sees their ISU bumper sticker and is greeted with "Oh a Hawkeye fan" or "How are you Hawkeyes going to do this year?". This is a factual situation that I have witnessed twice in my life. The first time was in the parking lot at Jewel Cave in the Black Hills where a clown was approached by a guy inquiring about the "Hawkeyes" after seeing their Iowa State Bumper sticker. The second time was in Wilmar Minnesota where a kid was wearing an Iowa State Sweatshirt and some random stranger made a comment on how much he liked Tim Dwight. He said, and I quote, "You guys got a good one in Tim Dwight" In both instances I laughed my arse off loud enough to ensure the clown fan saw me.
 
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How does it not. By the very definition of recruiting, if they were not induced to attend a certain school, and went elsewhere, could a couple of 5 stars not change the outcome of future games? If not then what is the big deal about recruiting highly rated players. That shouldn't be that hard to understand either.....
We're not talking about affecting the amount of wins a team would receive - we're talking about the integrity of whether or not players changed the outcome of a specific game due to wagers that may have been placed.
 
So Arland Bruce was specifically called out by a poster at the beginning of this whole thing and we've heard nothing since. Anyone heard anything?
 

Kirk Ferentz calls out hypocrisy of NCAA gambling regulations​

by: Blake Hornstein
Posted: Aug 8, 2023 / 07:08 PM CDT
Updated: Aug 9, 2023 / 08:50 AM CDT

Iowa football head coach Kirk Ferentz’s team has already been snake-bitten by his players violating NCAA gambling regulations. Aaron Blom’s collegiate career is likely over, Noah Shannon’s has come into question, and the NCAA cracking down on college gambling on college sports is not ending anytime soon.

Ferentz doesn’t have the answer to the problem — but he did share some personal thoughts on the nature of the regulations themselves. Or rather, a story of Ferentz watching ESPN on his couch and being exposed to the projection of betting elements on the broadcast.

“They’re talking about spreads and all that. We got a really fancy TV system now — we got YouTube TV,” Ferentz said. So I got ESPNews — Mary’s opened the budget up a little bit.

“So I got ESPNews on and they got lines on the opening day of college football games on the left. So to think that kids aren’t going to be attracted that — and I understand they give you the ‘bet with us and we’ll give you a 300 free dollars or you can lose 300 of our dollars’ and then lose the rest of your money.

“It’s just like… let’s acknowledge that and let’s deal with it in a common sense way.”
I don't know if I agree with Kirk here. The obvious conflict of interest between participating athletes and the betting upon games seems pretty clear-cut.

The interest that gambling "drums up" for the athletes also feeds into their NIL opportunities. It's not that different than other modes of advertising in that regard. Just because of its prevalence doesn't imply that the athletes themselves should be doing it.

Lastly, I know that the athletes already receive exhaustive training on these sorts of issues. Consequently, it's pretty dumb that they'd be doing it at all.
 
The NCAA Is a farce.............................Manziel was making all sorts of money in college.

As documentary shows a man in limbo, what comes next for Johnny Manziel?​


Dan Wetzel
Columnist
Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 4:15 PM CDT·5 min read

At the end of a documentary that, presumably, was supposed to have a happy — or at least hopeful — ending, Johnny Manziel is kicked back at a Scottsdale, Arizona, pool/darts party with a Stella Artois in his hand. Off camera, his sister is speaking.

“He’s not in a place mentally to go out and do something right now,” she said, solemnly, of his current state that seems mostly rudderless.

Generally speaking, documentaries are about telling a story in full. But with Netflix's “Untold: Johnny Football,” this feels like the end of Act 2, with no clue about what could comes next. Maybe it's a redemption of sorts. Maybe it's, well, anything. A faulty gun, Manziel said, spared him of suicide once.

The documentary doesn't provide an answer to what's next. It does offer a window into the whirlwind of Johnny Manziel becoming Johnny Football.

Beating Alabama at Alabama. Winning the Heisman Trophy. Social media posts of Scooby-Doo outfits, inflatable swans and wild parties. This doc has all of that and then some.

There were his battles with the NCAA and his colorful — and very clever — entourage, led by Nate Fitch, who went by “Uncle Nate” but was just a high school buddy who handled Johnny’s business and media requests.

There was the lengthy draft debate over whether he was talented, let alone sober enough, to be an NFL star. There was the inevitable and spectacular bombing out as a Cleveland Brown, complete with him missing a game after jetting to Vegas, donning a fake mustache and claiming his name was “Billy Manziel.”

Entertaining. All of it. You couldn’t make it up.

In the process everyone made money, including, much to the NCAA's chagrin, Manziel himself.

As sure as Johnny could slip a linebacker, Uncle Nate could do the same to an NCAA investigator. He made deals with autograph brokers and then laundered the cash through Manziel’s grandfather, who supposedly owned a bunch of oil wells. There was no oil fortune, though. Uncle Nate invented that story to explain all the spending on private jets, watches and Gucci wallets. It was just one of the funnier revelations.

Texas A&M made hundreds of millions off Manziel (still does). College sports as a whole did, too. Same with the media, the NFL, agents, handlers and so on and so on.

As long as the cash was flowing, the act carried on. It’s not that Manziel wasn’t offered help, but he was never truly accountable for his actions. His dad blamed A&M. Some at A&M blamed his dad.

Manziel was good enough to dominate college football despite studying no film, barely practicing, cheating drug tests and playing hungover. He was so good that — with the help of his agent, Erik Burkhardt — he covered most of it up and essentially tricked his way into the first round of the NFL Draft even if, by that point, he didn’t actually want to play anymore.


Johnny Manziel's NFL career didn't last long after the Cleveland Browns drafted him in the first round in 2014. (AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar, File)
Manziel, Uncle Nate, Burkhardt, the family, even former A&M assistant Kliff Kingsbury, come clean on at least most, if not all of it.

Part of what made Manziel such a spectacular story was how quickly it happened. He was a mid-level recruit to A&M, where he sat out his first year. Almost no one knew who he was until everyone knew who he was, including Justin Timberlake and LeBron James.

Consider that his first arrest came in June of 2012, following a fight in College Station, Texas. Manziel was anonymous enough at the time that he carried a fake ID claiming he was from Louisiana. Six months later, he was an outrageously famous all-time Texas football legend hoisting the Heisman Trophy in New York City.

With an ascent that fast, maybe he never really stood a chance.

That he kicked away so much is on him. Manziel made all those mistakes. He had repeated chances at rehab. He had plenty of guidance. He was so valuable to so many that he got chance after chance after chance.

If an NFL career wasn’t enough to keep him straight for even a couple months, then who knows what it will take?

But that’s the thing. It’s still a question of what it will take. The documentary makes no declaration that he is clean, sober and healthy. He may not be at rock bottom, but that can’t be the goal.

It’s why the absurdity of Johnny Football's world is funny only until you realize that nothing is truly in the past. This isn’t a survivor telling about the old days. It’s a guy in the middle cashing in on still being entertaining, if as much for his downfall as his climb.

In 2017, the Super Bowl came to Houston — New England vs. Atlanta. Manziel, two years removed from being cut by the Cleveland Browns, came too, at least for a paid appearance at a memorabilia store out in nearby Katy. A huge throng of mostly Aggies fans showed up.

They loved seeing him. They also lamented the wasted talent and the puffy face. He once texted Jerry Jones, promising to “wreck this league” if Dallas would draft him. Yet the league was downtown and he was in a mall on the outskirts of town.

“He’s got too much talent,” one fan, Tim Carlton, said, echoing everyone. “If he could just get his act together.”

Manziel was 24 at the time.

He’s 30 now and it's uncertain anything has really changed.

Netflix will make him famous again. It will make him celebrated again. It will stir up memories and highlights and headlines and jokes.

Johnny Football sure was fun.

At least for the rest of us.
https://sports.yahoo.com/as-documen...comes-next-for-johnny-manziel-211546416.html#
 
I don't know if I agree with Kirk here. The obvious conflict of interest between participating athletes and the betting upon games seems pretty clear-cut.

The interest that gambling "drums up" for the athletes also feeds into their NIL opportunities. It's not that different than other modes of advertising in that regard. Just because of its prevalence doesn't imply that the athletes themselves should be doing it.

Lastly, I know that the athletes already receive exhaustive training on these sorts of issues. Consequently, it's pretty dumb that they'd be doing it at all.
I want my cigarette TV ad's back.
 
The NCAA Is a farce.............................Manziel was making all sorts of money in college.

As documentary shows a man in limbo, what comes next for Johnny Manziel?​


Dan Wetzel
Columnist
Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 4:15 PM CDT·5 min read

At the end of a documentary that, presumably, was supposed to have a happy — or at least hopeful — ending, Johnny Manziel is kicked back at a Scottsdale, Arizona, pool/darts party with a Stella Artois in his hand. Off camera, his sister is speaking.

“He’s not in a place mentally to go out and do something right now,” she said, solemnly, of his current state that seems mostly rudderless.

Generally speaking, documentaries are about telling a story in full. But with Netflix's “Untold: Johnny Football,” this feels like the end of Act 2, with no clue about what could comes next. Maybe it's a redemption of sorts. Maybe it's, well, anything. A faulty gun, Manziel said, spared him of suicide once.

The documentary doesn't provide an answer to what's next. It does offer a window into the whirlwind of Johnny Manziel becoming Johnny Football.

Beating Alabama at Alabama. Winning the Heisman Trophy. Social media posts of Scooby-Doo outfits, inflatable swans and wild parties. This doc has all of that and then some.

There were his battles with the NCAA and his colorful — and very clever — entourage, led by Nate Fitch, who went by “Uncle Nate” but was just a high school buddy who handled Johnny’s business and media requests.

There was the lengthy draft debate over whether he was talented, let alone sober enough, to be an NFL star. There was the inevitable and spectacular bombing out as a Cleveland Brown, complete with him missing a game after jetting to Vegas, donning a fake mustache and claiming his name was “Billy Manziel.”

Entertaining. All of it. You couldn’t make it up.

In the process everyone made money, including, much to the NCAA's chagrin, Manziel himself.

As sure as Johnny could slip a linebacker, Uncle Nate could do the same to an NCAA investigator. He made deals with autograph brokers and then laundered the cash through Manziel’s grandfather, who supposedly owned a bunch of oil wells. There was no oil fortune, though. Uncle Nate invented that story to explain all the spending on private jets, watches and Gucci wallets. It was just one of the funnier revelations.

Texas A&M made hundreds of millions off Manziel (still does). College sports as a whole did, too. Same with the media, the NFL, agents, handlers and so on and so on.

As long as the cash was flowing, the act carried on. It’s not that Manziel wasn’t offered help, but he was never truly accountable for his actions. His dad blamed A&M. Some at A&M blamed his dad.

Manziel was good enough to dominate college football despite studying no film, barely practicing, cheating drug tests and playing hungover. He was so good that — with the help of his agent, Erik Burkhardt — he covered most of it up and essentially tricked his way into the first round of the NFL Draft even if, by that point, he didn’t actually want to play anymore.


Johnny Manziel's NFL career didn't last long after the Cleveland Browns drafted him in the first round in 2014. (AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar, File)
Manziel, Uncle Nate, Burkhardt, the family, even former A&M assistant Kliff Kingsbury, come clean on at least most, if not all of it.

Part of what made Manziel such a spectacular story was how quickly it happened. He was a mid-level recruit to A&M, where he sat out his first year. Almost no one knew who he was until everyone knew who he was, including Justin Timberlake and LeBron James.

Consider that his first arrest came in June of 2012, following a fight in College Station, Texas. Manziel was anonymous enough at the time that he carried a fake ID claiming he was from Louisiana. Six months later, he was an outrageously famous all-time Texas football legend hoisting the Heisman Trophy in New York City.

With an ascent that fast, maybe he never really stood a chance.

That he kicked away so much is on him. Manziel made all those mistakes. He had repeated chances at rehab. He had plenty of guidance. He was so valuable to so many that he got chance after chance after chance.

If an NFL career wasn’t enough to keep him straight for even a couple months, then who knows what it will take?

But that’s the thing. It’s still a question of what it will take. The documentary makes no declaration that he is clean, sober and healthy. He may not be at rock bottom, but that can’t be the goal.

It’s why the absurdity of Johnny Football's world is funny only until you realize that nothing is truly in the past. This isn’t a survivor telling about the old days. It’s a guy in the middle cashing in on still being entertaining, if as much for his downfall as his climb.

In 2017, the Super Bowl came to Houston — New England vs. Atlanta. Manziel, two years removed from being cut by the Cleveland Browns, came too, at least for a paid appearance at a memorabilia store out in nearby Katy. A huge throng of mostly Aggies fans showed up.

They loved seeing him. They also lamented the wasted talent and the puffy face. He once texted Jerry Jones, promising to “wreck this league” if Dallas would draft him. Yet the league was downtown and he was in a mall on the outskirts of town.

“He’s got too much talent,” one fan, Tim Carlton, said, echoing everyone. “If he could just get his act together.”

Manziel was 24 at the time.

He’s 30 now and it's uncertain anything has really changed.

Netflix will make him famous again. It will make him celebrated again. It will stir up memories and highlights and headlines and jokes.

Johnny Football sure was fun.

At least for the rest of us.
https://sports.yahoo.com/as-documen...comes-next-for-johnny-manziel-211546416.html#
Other than the US Congress, it’s hard to imagine a more corrupt or hypocritical body than the NCAA. To point out the hypocrisy of the ncaa is to say water is wet. you can’t be wrong with that statement.

The fame and media attention Manziel got as A college freshman was just devastating to him as a person. And would be to most of us in that environment. but wow was he talented. Watching his highlights, I can’t recall a more game changing talented freshman in my lifetime. I’d forgotten how good he was at the college level.
 
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Other than the US Congress, it’s hard to imagine a more corrupt or hypocritical body than the NCAA. To point out the hypocrisy of the ncaa is to say water is wet. you can’t be wrong with that statement.

The fame and media attention Manziel got as A college freshman was just devastating to him as a person. And would be to most of us in that environment. but wow was he talented. Watching his highlights, I can’t recall a more game changing talented freshman in my lifetime. I’d forgotten how good he was at the college level.
So those “book deals” for politicians aren’t legit?
 
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I have been there for quite a few. I’m respectful and never had anyone say anything to me. I don’t go near the college age students. Know what I would hear from them. We visit a couple tailgates of people I know. Have a beer or two and some good food. Everybody is good about it.

sounds like a good time
 
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We're not talking about affecting the amount of wins a team would receive - we're talking about the integrity of whether or not players changed the outcome of a specific game due to wagers that may have been placed.

Luckily it does not appear any Hawkeye players did anything in any game to affect the score/outcome

Blom betting the under in the 2021 Iowa/Clown game is a big no-no
 
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