it's a bit surprising how Clown U and Iowa have kept the information so well contained. Not one leak from an insider to the media.
Correct me if I am wrong, but Dekkers and Arland Bruce are the only rumored individuals.
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it's a bit surprising how Clown U and Iowa have kept the information so well contained. Not one leak from an insider to the media.
Correct me if I am wrong, but Dekkers and Arland Bruce are the only rumored individuals.
The only specific names thrown out there so far.
There's supposedly several for each team, though ISU's are far more impactful. Supposedly an OL starter and possibly a TE.
I wonder if this is a factor in Bruce leaving?
Does make you wonder. And Arland might be facing a one year suspension.
Clown fans seem to be preparing for Dekkers to be eventually named in the investigation and suspended. The tweet by Scott Dochterman that I posted above hints at the likely suspension
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That is what I am seeing on CyFan also by posters who are reliable in terms of what they tend to post. Like his could be very severe in terms of consequences.
If it takes some of their OL, it could actually benefit them.
At least Phil will have one game of film for whomever starts at Iowa State for them at QB.
Can you imagine if our starting QB made a gambling mistake like Dekkers apparently did?
Talk about this board melting down....
I am pretty sure this stuff is drilled into their heads by compliance people. The kids know. Whether we think its right or not, those are the rules. Doesn't surprise me though, people think texts or their phone location, etc are really private information.
Do we feel sorry for Clown U?
And I do hope players are not f-ing around on phones during half times of games.
Totally agree with you that all of the student athletes know that you simply cannot gamble.
Why they went ahead and did it anyway is a good question.
Temptation. I hear the Good Book starts out with that lesson also.
Eve ate the darn apple. She just couldn’t avoid temptation
Dekkers was a turnover machine. If Petra's got nailed most fans would have been happy. Now if it was Purdy the meltdown happens.
And the NCAA are hypocrites, a big portion of those new TV deals are driven by the gambling angles.
The NCAA has literally nothing to do with those TV deals. And gambling for athletes has been mega illegal for decades.
While that’s true don’t you think that it’s a little hypocritical to be showing the odds and talking about the spread and now having DraftKings and all the casino’s sponsoring shows ? Of course they know the rules and have forever but gambling is way more prevalent than ever. And legal in most states now.
Again, the NCAA has nothing to do with that.
Sure, it is hypocritical (and also completely unsurprising that this has happened). Blame the conferences and the TV networks for that though.
Change the rules. It was a bigger risk when gambling was done via bookies and and yet sports has survived.
Players have bet for decades.
NCAA, per usual, is late to the dance in dealing with this, just like NIL
Hell no. Sports gambling is rife with potential for corruption. You're absolutely not going to see them budge for this, for good reason too. Same as how every professional sports league doesn't **** around with it.
It's been done for decades under the table. I know athletes in college who had bookies. It is much harder for corruption now than then.
Rules are antiquated
Much harder for corruption when it's easier than ever to gamble? Especially with the complete lack of guardrails on NIL, and many states looking to codify that?
Just because players have been gambling forever does not mean it needs to be easier. That's a great way to fast-track the point-shaving schemes that caused the rules in the first place. No thanks. The gambling rules are fine. Especially considering they're more than adequately communicated to the athletes.
It is much harder now than back then to point shave. There is a ton of tracking data now. The guys using bookies were much more at risk.
Just people being paranoid.
And yet student-athletes are still gambling despite that massive amount of tracking data and being told ad nausem that they're not to do so.
IE, just because they'll be caught easier doesn't mean it's not gonna happen. They can wait 4 years to waste their money on gambling.
way more for gambling
Office pools weekly FB picks
Scratch off tickets
pull tabs
lottery tickets
power ball
megamillions
the NCAA 64 for BB men or women
more than I care to count.
a form gambling is always going to be around. this is where the NCAA needs to set up a guide line. just like they should have set up guide lines consider the NIL and how that turned out or how it is turning out.
Office pools weekly FB picks
Scratch off tickets
pull tabs
lottery tickets
power ball
megamillions
the NCAA 64 for BB men or women
more than I care to count.
a form gambling is always going to be around. this is where the NCAA needs to set up a guide line. just like they should have set up guide lines consider the NIL and how that turned out or how it is turning out.
If you watch the youngins these days, they will give up every last piece of info about themselves without batting an eye. They understand nothing about how much stuff they do is tracked including where they physically are at any moment in time and what they are doing electronically.
Does NCAA regulate if a parent likes to throw a few bucks at FanDuel or DraftKings?
give them time they will, can't have a parent or relationship placing bets/
I've seen noted that maybe a certain ISU QB was placing bets on his Mom's account whilst in the football facilities. All allegedly and rumor for now yet. Mom wasn't in the facility that much and they can trace it to the exact damn phone that was used. Again, youngsters think they have anonymity.
And texts are forever. Someday everyone will understand this. But but I deleted the text!
big brother is always watching in a society the proclaim privacy. yeah right. the more freedom they claim people have the more we lose. talk about moving to more of a communist state .like China.
Personally, I don't think its too much to ask for student athletes to not gamble. They have the rest of their lives to gamble.
If Iowa student athletes were betting on the Iowa women's basketball team (which is the rumor), imagine if they had insider info and made bets based on that info. Connor is dating Caitlin, for example. I believe PMac is dating Kate Martin. And this is just one example where things could get "messy."
At Iowa if you told the players, leave your cell phones in this locked locker and we will give them back right after the game.....Iowa would probably be sued. BUT it really is what should happen...no cell phones between x minutes before kickoff and until after the game.
This is why I was wondering about the NCAA regulating parents gambling, too.
If you're the dad to a player on the team with insider info about an undisclosed injury, etc...what keeps you from fading your kid's team to a profit?
Well that's why allegedly he used Mom's account. No one is gonna suspect a Mom.
if it was his mom's account how are they going to prove that she didn't place the bet.
LOL. You still keep saying stupid things without knowing the facts. Whose phone, location and time was the bet placed. If you had done any research you would know the facts.
By the way, when are you going to apologize to everyone who pointed out you were wrong about Iowa being a land grant school and you attacked? Try being honest for once in your life and admitting you were wrong. Honesty is a good thing. Try it for once in your life and maybe some of us would respect you more. Living your life as a constant liar isn't going to get you very far.
Boy Mrs ******** you sure were in the Iowa State football facility a lot and when there you happened to be wagering??? And by the way the IP pinging our betting app belonged to your son. Mrs. ******* were you not only frequently inside the Iowa State football facility, but when there were you also using your sons phone to place bets?
Hopefully Mom reported it properly on the tax returns.
Honestly people, have we not learned you can trace to where and what device is being used???????
How is the NCAA supposed to tell parents they can't gamble? This would also need to include all relatives and friends.
As the NCAA can't subpoena cell phone ping records...that might be rather tough to prove. Further, though its illegal to place bets underage, CSI isn't going to go all hands on deck to track down such a simple misdemeanor. In legal terms, nearly all of the subjects will plead to some lesser charge and receive a fine...or perhaps a little public service. This isn't kidnapping or assault.
How the NCAA responds is another matter...as they DO act even if they can't fully prove things occurred. Historically for gambling, suspensions have ranged from 3 games to a full season so its hard to know how the hammer will fall given we don't know ANY of the particulars in each of these cases. From the Iowa State end I get the vibe that Dekkers is not being counted on for 2023...at all. I'd expect a few other Cyclones and Hawkeyes....rumor is 4 starters at ISU in addition to Dekkers and 3-4 starters from Iowa...so both teams are going to feel some pain from this.
The fault lies with the players, but the hypocrisy of the NCAA is also worthy of criticism...both are valid assignments of blame. Quite frankly, unless gambling involves the sport the kids are playing the NCAAA has no business giving a hoot....much less suspending kids. Its tantamount to speeding or jaywalking...dumb but not worthy of a disproportionate response. Just my opinion of course.
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