Was ELO better than the Beatles?
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Because teen and YA females love listening to drone country while dressing up and getting drunk and guys go along with it because it leads to sexy time....................
That is literally the sole reason country music has existed and expanded in the last 20 years in the U.S.
Quite often, talent is one of the lesser factors in rock n' roll. I agree Lynne's talent is enormous, but NOT better than McCartney. How much actual classical music has Lynne recorded?
Popular music today is awful across the board imo. And rock is nowhere near the charts. Seems like whatever influence the Beatles had is gone now as far as what actually sells today.
There were a lot.of rumors about Shannon joining the Traveling Wilburys after Orbison died. Pretty sure Shannon's suicide was right after that. He worked with both Lynne and Petty on his later albums
I am good with both ... depending on the mood.
Here's a good clip of McCartney and Lynne working together.
Here's a good clip of McCartney and Lynne working together.
Good video on what Lynne has done for others as a producer. Video description lists the songs individually. Just read the names in that list.
01) 1975 Jasper Carrott - Funky Moped (Produced)
02) 1978 Helen Reddy - Poor Little Fool (Wrote)
03) 1983 Dave Edmunds - Slipping Away (Wrote & Produced)
04) 1983 Dave Edmunds - Information (Produced)
05) 1984 Dave Edmunds - Something About You (Produced)
06) 1984 Everly Brothers - The Story Of Me (Wrote & Arranged)
07) 1985 Agnetha Fältskog - One Way Love (Wrote)
08) 1987 George Harrison - Got My Mind Set On You (Co-produced)
09) 1987 George Harrison - When We Was Fab (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
10) 1987 George Harrison - This Is Love (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
11) 1987 Duane Eddy - Theme For Something Really Important (Wrote & Produced)
12) 1988 Brian Wilson - Let It Shine (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
13) 1988 Randy Newman - Falling In Love (Produced)
14) 1988 Roy Orbison - You Got It (Produced & Co-wrote)
15) 1988 Roy Orbison - California Blue (Produced & Co-wrote)
16) 1988 Roy Orbison - A Love So Beautiful (Produced & Co-wrote)
17) 1989 Del Shannon - Walk Away (Produced & Co-wrote)
18) 1989 Tom Petty - I Won't Back Down (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
19) 1989 Tom Petty - Runnin' Down A Dream (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
20) 1989 Tom Petty - Free Fallin' (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
21) 1989 Tom Petty - A Face In The Crowd (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
22) 1989 Tom Petty - Yer So Bad (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
23) 1989 George Harrison - Cheer Down (Co-produced)
24) 1990 Miss B. Haven - Nobody's Angel (Produced)
25) 1991 Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - Learning To Fly (Produced & Co-wrote)
26) 1991 Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - Into the Great Wide Open (Produced & Co-wrote)
27) 1991 Roy Orbison - I Drove All Night (Produced)
28) 1991 Joe Cocker - Night Calls (Wrote & Produced)
29) 1992 Roy Orbison - Heartbreak Radio (Produced)
30) 1992 Ringo Starr - Don't Go Where The Road Don't Go (Produced)
31) 1992 Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - Christmas All Over Again (Co-produced)
32) 1992 Juliana Raye - I´ll Get You Back(Produced)
33) 1993 Hank Marvin feat Mark Knopfler - Wonderful Land (Produced)
34) 1995 Bonnie Tyler - Time Mends A Broken Heart (Co-wrote)
35) 1995 The Beatles - Free As A Bird (Co-produced)
36) 1995 The Beatles - Real Love (Co-produced)
37) 1997 Paul McCartney - Little Willow (Co-produced)
38) 1997 Paul McCartney - The World Tonight (Co-produced)
39) 1997 Paul McCartney - Beautiful Night (Co-produced)
40) 1999 Strange Fruit (Bill Nighy, Jimmy Nail) - Dirty World (Co-wrote)
41) 2002 George Harrison - Any Road (Co-produced)
42) 2006 Tom Petty - Saving Grace (Co-produced)
43) 2009 Regina Spektor - Blue Lips (Produced)
44) 2012 Joe Walsh - One Day At A Time (Produced)
45) 2012 Joe Walsh - Analog Man (Produced)
46) 2014 Eric Idle - The Infinite Monkey Cage (Produced)
47) 2014 Take That - Fall Down At Your Feet (Produced)
48) 2015 Bryan Adams - You Belong To Me (Produced)
49) 2015 Bryan Adams - Brand New Day (Produced)
50) 2015 Bryan Adams - Don't Even Try (Produced)Outro - 1993 Hank Marvin feat Mark Knopfler - Nivram (Produced)
01) 1975 Jasper Carrott - Funky Moped (Produced)
02) 1978 Helen Reddy - Poor Little Fool (Wrote)
03) 1983 Dave Edmunds - Slipping Away (Wrote & Produced)
04) 1983 Dave Edmunds - Information (Produced)
05) 1984 Dave Edmunds - Something About You (Produced)
06) 1984 Everly Brothers - The Story Of Me (Wrote & Arranged)
07) 1985 Agnetha Fältskog - One Way Love (Wrote)
08) 1987 George Harrison - Got My Mind Set On You (Co-produced)
09) 1987 George Harrison - When We Was Fab (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
10) 1987 George Harrison - This Is Love (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
11) 1987 Duane Eddy - Theme For Something Really Important (Wrote & Produced)
12) 1988 Brian Wilson - Let It Shine (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
13) 1988 Randy Newman - Falling In Love (Produced)
14) 1988 Roy Orbison - You Got It (Produced & Co-wrote)
15) 1988 Roy Orbison - California Blue (Produced & Co-wrote)
16) 1988 Roy Orbison - A Love So Beautiful (Produced & Co-wrote)
17) 1989 Del Shannon - Walk Away (Produced & Co-wrote)
18) 1989 Tom Petty - I Won't Back Down (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
19) 1989 Tom Petty - Runnin' Down A Dream (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
20) 1989 Tom Petty - Free Fallin' (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
21) 1989 Tom Petty - A Face In The Crowd (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
22) 1989 Tom Petty - Yer So Bad (Co-wrote & Co-produced)
23) 1989 George Harrison - Cheer Down (Co-produced)
24) 1990 Miss B. Haven - Nobody's Angel (Produced)
25) 1991 Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - Learning To Fly (Produced & Co-wrote)
26) 1991 Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - Into the Great Wide Open (Produced & Co-wrote)
27) 1991 Roy Orbison - I Drove All Night (Produced)
28) 1991 Joe Cocker - Night Calls (Wrote & Produced)
29) 1992 Roy Orbison - Heartbreak Radio (Produced)
30) 1992 Ringo Starr - Don't Go Where The Road Don't Go (Produced)
31) 1992 Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers - Christmas All Over Again (Co-produced)
32) 1992 Juliana Raye - I´ll Get You Back(Produced)
33) 1993 Hank Marvin feat Mark Knopfler - Wonderful Land (Produced)
34) 1995 Bonnie Tyler - Time Mends A Broken Heart (Co-wrote)
35) 1995 The Beatles - Free As A Bird (Co-produced)
36) 1995 The Beatles - Real Love (Co-produced)
37) 1997 Paul McCartney - Little Willow (Co-produced)
38) 1997 Paul McCartney - The World Tonight (Co-produced)
39) 1997 Paul McCartney - Beautiful Night (Co-produced)
40) 1999 Strange Fruit (Bill Nighy, Jimmy Nail) - Dirty World (Co-wrote)
41) 2002 George Harrison - Any Road (Co-produced)
42) 2006 Tom Petty - Saving Grace (Co-produced)
43) 2009 Regina Spektor - Blue Lips (Produced)
44) 2012 Joe Walsh - One Day At A Time (Produced)
45) 2012 Joe Walsh - Analog Man (Produced)
46) 2014 Eric Idle - The Infinite Monkey Cage (Produced)
47) 2014 Take That - Fall Down At Your Feet (Produced)
48) 2015 Bryan Adams - You Belong To Me (Produced)
49) 2015 Bryan Adams - Brand New Day (Produced)
50) 2015 Bryan Adams - Don't Even Try (Produced)Outro - 1993 Hank Marvin feat Mark Knopfler - Nivram (Produced)
That is the reason I've been making the argument. Neither Paul or any other Beatle did that work for others.
Clicking play on some of these videos made me realize how lucky I was to grow up with the music from the 90s/2000s/2010s. ELO is pretty mid
This is pretty close to where I'm at. Beatles > ELO but McCartney v Lynne is a different conversation.
There's no denying how many other artists benefitted from Lynne's genius; and McCartney may not have been as willing to share his. Bottom line, for me, is that trying to decide which of the two was the bigger musical genius is impossible, especially given their stylistic differences. We are so fortunate to have been able to experience both of them.
Commercial success aside, anyone who knew anything about music knew (knows) who Jeff Lynne is. He's not a recent discovery in any sense of the word.
Agreed. But if I said Paul McCartney and Jeff Lynne to my kids, they would only know one name
Valid. Though I usually take those opportunities to educate them about the one they don't know as well. The “musical journey / exploration” that I've had with my kids is one of my most treasured memories as a parent. That's been especially true with my youngest who is 17 now.
That's probably a whole ‘nother thread but I will just add that in the past year, I actually had the opportunity to spend an hour or so with her on this exact topic (ie the underappreciated musical genius of Jeff Lynne). So there's that.
The Beatles came about, existed, and thrived in the absence of ELO,.. the opposite did not occur.
Question: Do you ladies and gentlemen think that there has been a thread like this elsewhere?
Probability is minimal
Just wait for me start a Warren Zevon thread....
Probability is minimal
Just wait for me start a Warren Zevon thread....
I like ELO better than The Beetles. The latter, however, I believe had more impact on music and society in general. A couple years ago, ELO was FANTASTIC in concert.
A thread like this on HROT or just anywhere?Question: Do you ladies and gentlemen think that there has been a thread like this elsewhere?
Probability is minimal
Just wait for me start a Warren Zevon thread....
Can't say I recall a similar discussion on these boards.
And I think I'd hate to live in a world where the comparative geniuses of McCartney v Lynne and The Beatles v ELO were not discussed with some frequency.
She's sweet on Wagner
I think she'd die for Beethoven
She loves the way Puccini lays down a tune
And Verdi's always creeping from her room
I think she'd die for Beethoven
She loves the way Puccini lays down a tune
And Verdi's always creeping from her room
