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We all knew Penn State was a different team at home

You are why we canned Dr Tom and had a Lickliter
Sure I am, NOT, but if I had been Iowa's AD at the time I would not have given Davis the same ultimatum that Bob Bowlsby did. You don't tell your coach that you won't be retained after the up in coming season and not have repercussions. I believe that Iowa's President would not allow Bob to fire Tom. Someone with a better memory might be able to elaborate further. If you're Davis what incentive would he have to go out and recruit for a coach that will take over the next season and that's exactly what happened.
Listen, Like Fran McCaffery, it was Tom's time to go. His recruiting was subpar and his style of play didn't appear to favor bring in top recruits that wanted a majority of playing time. Missing top Iowa recruits to Kansas and other teams didn't help his cause either.
It was a different time in College basketball also, it was almost a given that a teams that reached 20 wins would automatically make the NCAA tournament and Davis would usually load his schedule with easy wins. It wasn't always the case but most seasons.
His best years were with George Raveling's recruits that he inherited at the beginning of his tenure and that can't be disputed.
I will also say I was pretty excited when Steve Alfaud was hired to replace Tom, but then I have my faults and as most on here will say it's not always the flavor of the month that is the best hire as we also found out at the end of Steve's run a Iowa.
You could say that it was the hiring of Alford and also Todd Lickliter that was the ultimate down fall of Iowa basketball.
Fran had the opportunity to revitalize the program and in a sense he did but failed to elevate the program after year 6 to compete for a Big Ten Championship in my opinion and I think last years team was the celling for Fran here at Iowa. JMO.
 
you are not bright enough to realize I am not defending Fran but instead being realistic about life on the road in the B1G

why are you so dumb, Bobby?
You of all people should not call anyone else dumb. You act like a junior high girl on Twitter in here.
 
You of all people should not call anyone else dumb. You act like a junior high girl on Twitter in here.



Well, what follows (you wrote that Keegan is not ready for the NBA) is just one example of the stupidity that flowed from your mind in the game thread last night. It's pretty clear that you are not very bright. You overreacted during the game and afterwards worse than a junior high girl.




I think it's safe to say Keegan and Kris will be back next year. If PSU can take him out of the game, he is not ready for NBA. Granted, he is playing on a team that would not win the Summit League, so there's that.
 
We may all have known Penn State is a different team at home……but we also know Iowa is the same team both at home and on the road.
 
Are you kidding? Connor is our vastly underutilized 3 point specialist.
I think that argument can be made that Connor is more of an asset than JBo has been this year. Let that sink in for a minute, but not with a dangerous weapon in your hand.
 
I think that argument can be made that Connor is more of an asset than JBo has been this year. Let that sink in for a minute, but not with a dangerous weapon in your hand.
In reality, that is being proven out to be absolutely a true statement. To me, after 20 games it's a telling example of why Iowa is at this juncture in the season.
 
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Sure I am, NOT, but if I had been Iowa's AD at the time I would not have given Davis the same ultimatum that Bob Bowlsby did. You don't tell your coach that you won't be retained after the up in coming season and not have repercussions. I believe that Iowa's President would not allow Bob to fire Tom. Someone with a better memory might be able to elaborate further. If you're Davis what incentive would he have to go out and recruit for a coach that will take over the next season and that's exactly what happened.
Listen, Like Fran McCaffery, it was Tom's time to go. His recruiting was subpar and his style of play didn't appear to favor bring in top recruits that wanted a majority of playing time. Missing top Iowa recruits to Kansas and other teams didn't help his cause either.
It was a different time in College basketball also, it was almost a given that a teams that reached 20 wins would automatically make the NCAA tournament and Davis would usually load his schedule with easy wins. It wasn't always the case but most seasons.
His best years were with George Raveling's recruits that he inherited at the beginning of his tenure and that can't be disputed.
I will also say I was pretty excited when Steve Alfaud was hired to replace Tom, but then I have my faults and as most on here will say it's not always the flavor of the month that is the best hire as we also found out at the end of Steve's run a Iowa.
You could say that it was the hiring of Alford and also Todd Lickliter that was the ultimate down fall of Iowa basketball.
Fran had the opportunity to revitalize the program and in a sense he did but failed to elevate the program after year 6 to compete for a Big Ten Championship in my opinion and I think last years team was the celling for Fran here at Iowa. JMO.

It is 23 years or so from Last sweet16 by iowa Program and Fran has been in charge for going on 13 years now. He won't get it done, ever and he alone is responsible for 1/2 the dry spell. Alford and LIckliter obviously were below average coaches...it is time to give Fran the ultimatum and put some pressure on him. Who gives a chit if he packs up for Utah State or Sienna or wherever---that would be great outcome because it would save the buyout.
 
Some of you guys really need to wake up and smell the proverbial coffee. Barta just extended McCaffery's contract. You think there is any way in hell he turns around and fires him? I realize that venting is everyone's right, but at this point, it's just so repetitive and boring that it is ruining this board. I doubt that even the "defenders" of McCaffery are happy with his results overall. I know I'm not. We would all love to be world beaters, but if you look seriously the modern history of Iowa basketball, we are just a team that is usually a little better than average, with an occasional high point, and I include Lute's record (one conference championship) here as well.
 
He has a point about tough road wins. Including J Bo's class in 2016 the average B10 ranking (247) of Fran's recruiting classes is 10th and the national rank average is 61. The average star ranking on the current roster is 3. Iowa is tied with PSU for 9/10th in the conference. The team is meeting Fran's expectations.
 
Some of you guys really need to wake up and smell the proverbial coffee. Barta just extended McCaffery's contract. You think there is any way in hell he turns around and fires him? I realize that venting is everyone's right, but at this point, it's just so repetitive and boring that it is ruining this board. I doubt that even the "defenders" of McCaffery are happy with his results overall. I know I'm not. We would all love to be world beaters, but if you look seriously the modern history of Iowa basketball, we are just a team that is usually a little better than average, with an occasional high point, and I include Lute's record (one conference championship) here as well.
Do you realize that during Frans 11 year tenure at Iowa the only 2 remarkable accomplishments have been, last year, with the best player in college basketball on his roster, it was the only year his teams didn't reach double digits in losses (9) during the season and it was the only season he has reached the semi finals of the Big Ten Tournament ( it took 1 win)
Just think if he actually had the same recruiting and in game coaching skills of some of the best coaches in college basketball, where would Iowa be right now....it's mind boggling what loyalty and stubbornness hinders one's ability to function rationally.
 
Like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic?
It's like the season is being washed away as suddenly as the 2011 tsunami washed away whole cities on the northern coastline of Japan.
Hay, this is just as melodramatic as using the sinking of the Titanic....just saying!
It's not life of death it's only a game, next year I may reload or maybe not, it all depends on what the roster looks like by next October...I'll finish out this season just won't be so engaged knowing that there's very little chance for Iowa to advance and play in the NCAA tournament with 2 outstanding players on it's roster...just venting my frustrations....
 
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It's like the season is being washed away as suddenly as the 2011 tsunami washed away whole cities on the northern coastline of Japan.
Hay, this is just as melodramatic as using the sinking of the Titanic....just saying!
It's not life of death it's only a game, next year I may reload or maybe not, it all depends on what the roster looks like by next October...I'll finish out this season just won't be so engaged knowing that there's very little chance for Iowa to advance and play in the NCAA tournament with 2 outstanding players on it's roster...just venting my frustrations....
I hear you. It is frustrating at times. Into year 12 and wondering whether this will be THE year. Started out with cupcakes and then being served up a heaping helping of tough BIG games, and here we are. Hoping things will readjust and at least level off for a bit before the stretch run to the BTT.
 
Well, what follows (you wrote that Keegan is not ready for the NBA) is just one example of the stupidity that flowed from your mind in the game thread last night. It's pretty clear that you are not very bright. You overreacted during the game and afterwards worse than a junior high girl.
It's pretty clear I am not bright? You are the one defending Fran. Mic drop.
 
It's pretty clear I am not bright? You are the one defending Fran. Mic drop.


Yes, it is clear.

Again, this is one example from the game thread of the nonsense that comes from your brain.



I think it's safe to say Keegan and Kris will be back next year. If PSU can take him out of the game, he is not ready for NBA. Granted, he is playing on a team that would not win the Summit League, so there's that.
 
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I thought it was clear that Fran was rotating defense for offense late in the game; he would take JBo out and put Tony in, and vice versa

And if you are going to talk about poor shooting, you should look at the entire team, not just JBo.

But, of course, you are only outraged about JBo.

0-4 Joe
0-7 Ulis
0-7 JBo

2-4 Tony
So 0-14 are on the floor at crunch time and OT -- this is not good use of your available players.
 
Yes, it is clear.

Again, this is one example from the game thread of the nonsense that comes from your brain.
Keegan is extremely talented no debate there, but so are lots of other players in college, the G league and Europe. He will definitely get a shot in the league and it may be after this season if he chooses. His draft status will not rise due to the poor talent Fran has surrounded him with which makes it easier for teams to focus on him.

The Spurs have played 52 games. JW has played in 13, averaged 5mpg and 2ppg, but he was a lock right? Garza, last year's NPOY, has played in 27 of 50 games, averages 12 mpg and 5 ppg. Keegan is a different player and his game is more suited to the NBA, but there are a lot of guys with similar games across college basketball.

The difference is I use my brain to do other things than make excuses for Fran and follow kids/adults on Twitter.
 
Keegan is extremely talented no debate there, but so are lots of other players in college, the G league and Europe. He will definitely get a shot in the league and it may be after this season if he chooses. His draft status will not rise due to the poor talent Fran has surrounded him with which makes it easier for teams to focus on him.

The Spurs have played 52 games. JW has played in 13, averaged 5mpg and 2ppg, but he was a lock right? Garza, last year's NPOY, has played in 27 of 50 games, averages 12 mpg and 5 ppg. Keegan is a different player and his game is more suited to the NBA, but there are a lot of guys with similar games across college basketball.

The difference is I use my brain to do other things than make excuses for Fran and follow kids/adults on Twitter.

No, Joe was not a lock as a first round draft pick. Why would you falsely claim that he was?
 
RU blew out MSU today making our close loss at RU look respectable.
PSU is giving Wis all they can handle in kohl center.
Hawks have scratch and claw with hair on fire intensity in every game...home or away...starting tomorrow.
 
No, just no. This is a bad loss. Don’t spin it.


Today, Penn State went on the road and lost by just 2 points to #11 Wisconsin. Michigan State went on the road to Rutgers and lost by 21.

So, no, I didn't spin the loss at Penn State. I simply stated the truth in that (1) PSU plays better at home and (2) winning on the road in the B1G, historically, has been difficult.

You were wrong and you overreacted to a loss on the road in the B1G.

And these 24 posters who also overreacted and liked your dumb and emotional post were wrong, too.


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Today, Penn State went on the road and lost by just 2 points to #11 Wisconsin. Michigan State went on the road to Rutgers and lost by 21.

So, no, I didn't spin the loss at Penn State. I simply stated the truth in that (1) PSU plays better at home and (2) winning on the road in the B1G, historically, has been difficult.

You were wrong and you overreacted to a loss on the road in the B1G.

And these 24 posters who also overreacted and liked your dumb and emotional post were wrong, too.


@EvilMonkeyInTheCloset
@lesterfan
@M&Shawk
@LetsGoHawks83
@IaHawk44
@Auger
@eyesofhawk
@Fighter of the Nightman
@GOHOX69
@taHawkeyes
@Lighting Hawk
@Hawkfan_08
@General Tso
@rfgiowa
@Iafootballfan
@skydog0784
@hwks4ever
@TampaHawkfan
@spiderland
@Tunadog
@vamchawk
@QChawks
@ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK
@drew_hawk
But they lost, no?
 
Today, Penn State went on the road and lost by just 2 points to #11 Wisconsin. Michigan State went on the road to Rutgers and lost by 21.

So, no, I didn't spin the loss at Penn State. I simply stated the truth in that (1) PSU plays better at home and (2) winning on the road in the B1G, historically, has been difficult.

You were wrong and you overreacted to a loss on the road in the B1G.

And these 24 posters who also overreacted and liked your dumb and emotional post were wrong, too.


@EvilMonkeyInTheCloset
@lesterfan
@M&Shawk
@LetsGoHawks83
@IaHawk44
@Auger
@eyesofhawk
@Fighter of the Nightman
@GOHOX69
@taHawkeyes
@Lighting Hawk
@Hawkfan_08
@General Tso
@rfgiowa
@Iafootballfan
@skydog0784
@hwks4ever
@TampaHawkfan
@spiderland
@Tunadog
@vamchawk
@QChawks
@ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK
@drew_hawk
This is sad. Don't you have anything better to do?
 
This is sad. Don't you have anything better to do?
Uh ooh. Fran has opened another page. He's now posting"
like" history. I really appreciate the info he posts about possible future players, but he definitely has some pit bull in him. He won't let go of a subject until he thinks he has won.
 
Uh ooh. Fran has opened another page. He's now posting"
like" history. I really appreciate the info he posts about possible future players, but he definitely has some pit bull in him. He won't let go of a subject until he thinks he has won.

I am just pointing out how posters on here (a helluva lot of them) overreact and go into melt down mode after a road loss in the B1G; its embarrassing, actually.
 
Today, Penn State went on the road and lost by just 2 points to #11 Wisconsin. Michigan State went on the road to Rutgers and lost by 21.

So, no, I didn't spin the loss at Penn State. I simply stated the truth in that (1) PSU plays better at home and (2) winning on the road in the B1G, historically, has been difficult.

You were wrong and you overreacted to a loss on the road in the B1G.

And these 24 posters who also overreacted and liked your dumb and emotional post were wrong, too.


@EvilMonkeyInTheCloset
@lesterfan
@M&Shawk
@LetsGoHawks83
@IaHawk44
@Auger
@eyesofhawk
@Fighter of the Nightman
@GOHOX69
@taHawkeyes
@Lighting Hawk
@Hawkfan_08
@General Tso
@rfgiowa
@Iafootballfan
@skydog0784
@hwks4ever
@TampaHawkfan
@spiderland
@Tunadog
@vamchawk
@QChawks
@ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK
@drew_hawk

I am just pointing out how posters on here (a helluva lot of them) overreact and go into melt down mode after a road loss in the B1G; its embarrassing, actually.
It was a ****ing opinion that I liked, it wasn't an overreaction or a melt down.

Get a grip.
 
In PSU's last 4 home games they are 3-1:

* They beat Indiana by 3, 61-58

* They lost to Purdue by 7, 74-67

* They beat Rutgers by 17, 66-49

* They beat Iowa by 4, 90-86, in 2OT


We all knew (or should have known) that PSU plays better at home so we should not be outraged that the game was close and went to 2 OTs.

Nevertheless, the melt down after a loss, once again, has begun.

There are at least 3 NIT threads.

There are a couple "fire Fran" threads. Indiana and Rutgers lost at PSU. Should their coaches be fired, too? Or just Iowa's?

Purdue should have blown Penn State out! Should Painter be fired, too?

We all knew coming into this season that this team was going to be average. We were picked either 9th or 10th in the B1G. We should not be surprised that we lost a B1G road game.

Iowa fans, man. If you are going to be a fan of a sport, you should expect that there's a chance your team might lose, especially on the road. If you cannot accept that, you should channel your outrage elsewhere and perhaps take up a new hobby, like knitting.
Not sure why this surprises you anymore.
 
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Today, Penn State went on the road and lost by just 2 points to #11 Wisconsin. Michigan State went on the road to Rutgers and lost by 21.

So, no, I didn't spin the loss at Penn State. I simply stated the truth in that (1) PSU plays better at home and (2) winning on the road in the B1G, historically, has been difficult.

You were wrong and you overreacted to a loss on the road in the B1G.

And these 24 posters who also overreacted and liked your dumb and emotional post were wrong, too.


@EvilMonkeyInTheCloset
@lesterfan
@M&Shawk
@LetsGoHawks83
@IaHawk44
@Auger
@eyesofhawk
@Fighter of the Nightman
@GOHOX69
@taHawkeyes
@Lighting Hawk
@Hawkfan_08
@General Tso
@rfgiowa
@Iafootballfan
@skydog0784
@hwks4ever
@TampaHawkfan
@spiderland
@Tunadog
@vamchawk
@QChawks
@ROCKY MOUNTAIN HAWK
@drew_hawk
No. You’re wrong & everybody on this list is correct.

That was a bad loss in State College. No way to spin it.

Have you thought about joining the correct side??
 
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This Michigan State/Penn state game is a great example of what can happen any night. It’s also a great example of why Iowa fans shouldn’t go nuts with every Iowa loss.

I’m sure there are some MSU fans upset and griping but I’ll bet it pales in comparison to how Iowa fans griped. We’ve won three straight games and if you counted the number of posts after all three of those games it wouldn’t be nearly as much as after the last loss. When Iowa loses the boo birds are out in full force. When Iowa wins the boo birds don’t make a peep. They won’t support anything this program does.
 
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