One of the doctors on tonight's NBC News Special just said this.
Makes you wonder about the 2020-2021 fall and winter sports.
Makes you wonder about the 2020-2021 fall and winter sports.
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No way on both counts.One of the doctors on tonight's NBC News Special just said this.
Makes you wonder about the 2020-2021 fall and winter sports.
you think we see no sports until the spring of 2021?No way on both counts.
I appreciate everyone trying their best but in a few weeks the country is going to realize that a few hundred thousand or million people aren’t worth it. It sucks, but so do all the other ways that people die.
The news briefing today indicated that the current estimate is something like 82,000 deaths by August.....some medical experts are saying this thing will have a number of peaks and valleys over an extended period of time.
You do realize that according to the CDC around 8200 Americans die every single day by some other reason. In this same period that doctors estimate 82,000 deaths from this virus, we will lose about 1 million Americans for something else. The difference is the media is not reporting on those deaths as that is not sexy. Cancer and heart disease will claim about 500,000 in this same time period.
82,000 deaths is two one hundredths of 1% of our US population. Even if the worst case scenario of 2 million in a year is 6/10 of 1%.
Everyone runs around quoting the virus numbers but no one uses any comparison data because it makes an agenda and narrative look silly.
I’m not trying to down play loss of life or the challenges this virus presents but where else in our life would we react and make decisions with these %s based on data? We love our sports and this board goes bonkers over better data than this like Fran making the NCAAs 4 or 5 times in 7 years! Wow that’s 57% of the time or more!
I think the main difference is the fact that this ONE, brand new virus has overwhelmed hospitals around the United States and around the world. Look at the people lying in the hallways of hospitals all because of this ONE virus. Sure, people die every day but not like this, where we have no treatment and not enough ventilators.You do realize that according to the CDC around 8200 Americans die every single day by some other reason. In this same period that doctors estimate 82,000 deaths from this virus, we will lose about 1 million Americans for something else. The difference is the media is not reporting on those deaths as that is not sexy. Cancer and heart disease will claim about 500,000 in this same time period.
82,000 deaths is two one hundredths of 1% of our US population. Even if the worst case scenario of 2 million in a year is 6/10 of 1%.
Everyone runs around quoting the virus numbers but no one uses any comparison data because it makes an agenda and narrative look silly.
I’m not trying to down play loss of life or the challenges this virus presents but where else in our life would we react and make decisions with these %s based on data? We love our sports and this board goes bonkers over better data than this like Fran making the NCAAs 4 or 5 times in 7 years! Wow that’s 57% of the time or more!
You do realize that according to the CDC around 8200 Americans die every single day by some other reason. In this same period that doctors estimate 82,000 deaths from this virus, we will lose about 1 million Americans for something else. The difference is the media is not reporting on those deaths as that is not sexy. Cancer and heart disease will claim about 500,000 in this same time period.
82,000 deaths is two one hundredths of 1% of our US population. Even if the worst case scenario of 2 million in a year is 6/10 of 1%.
Everyone runs around quoting the virus numbers but no one uses any comparison data because it makes an agenda and narrative look silly.
I’m not trying to down play loss of life or the challenges this virus presents but where else in our life would we react and make decisions with these %s based on data? We love our sports and this board goes bonkers over better data than this like Fran making the NCAAs 4 or 5 times in 7 years! Wow that’s 57% of the time or more!
I think the main difference is the fact that this ONE, brand new virus has overwhelmed hospitals around the United States and around the world. Look at the people lying in the hallways of hospitals all because of this ONE virus. Sure, people die every day but not like this, where we have no treatment and not enough ventilators.
This country is not overwhelmed by cancer deaths, heart disease deaths, etc. But we have been overwhelmed with the coronavirus. Look at NYC; they have set up tents with hospital beds in Central Park; it looks like a war zone there. All because of this ONE virus.
When we get it under control, hopefully things can get back to normal.
The data looked horrific if we did nothing.There is no data in your arguments. All you are hitting on are the many, many mistakes made by business leaders to save bucks and increase their profits; cutting supply, outsourcing, etc. The bill is due now.
The data looked horrific if we did nothing.
The data (and the images from NYC) still look horrific with what we are doing.
So, to be clear, you want everything to go back to "normal?" Open everything back up? Resume MLB, church gatherings, no limits on gatherings, everybody go back to work?What data? How does it compare? No one will lay it out because it does not hold water. So you take a picture as data?
So, to be clear, you want everything to go back to "normal?" Open everything back up? Resume MLB, church gatherings, no limits on gatherings, everybody go back to work?
I am not getting political here at all but Donald Trump originally agreed with you. Then he started listening to the doctors and started looking at the data.Yes with the caveat that everyone does so at their own discretion. If you are older in the high risk category and/or have a pre-existing condition then you need to consider distancing and be extra careful. Concessions need to be made by employers. Everyone needs to follow the hand washing, coughing, etc and provide as much distance as possible.
The far more damage is what Is being done than the virus itself. Everyone assumes continual bail out by someone else. The numbers don’t support this.
Ask questions on both sides instead of just accepting words. Does the information provider have any skin in the game? Is there a golden goose benefit that media gets by having a massive news story with the country shut down including sports?
I am not getting political here at all but Donald Trump originally agreed with you. Then he started listening to the doctors and started looking at the data.
Go to apnews.com and read some of the articles. It's a free site. It's pretty clear that by doing nothing we would see millions of deaths instead of 100,000-200,000
This plan could literally lead to over a million death. of course, that’s only like 1/3 of one percent of Americans, so no big deal, right?Yes with the caveat that everyone does so at their own discretion. If you are older in the high risk category and/or have a pre-existing condition then you need to consider distancing and be extra careful. Concessions need to be made by employers. Everyone needs to follow the hand washing, coughing, etc and provide as much distance as possible.
The far more damage is what Is being done than the virus itself. Everyone assumes continual bail out by someone else. The numbers don’t support this.
Ask questions on both sides instead of just accepting words. Does the information provider have any skin in the game? Is there a golden goose benefit that media gets by having a massive news story with the country shut down including sports?
Normal deaths don't overwhelm hospitals, their workers, shut down airports, make people stop travel, stop buying, lose their jobs, their business. It's not a hoax
Also, there are times when “listen to both sides” just doesn’t work out.
“This plane is missing a wing, I don’t think we should board.”
“Hey! There are two sides to this story. Pilot says we’re good to go.”
And1, do you have any opinions on the shape of the big object we live on? Lots of theories out there. Everybody should be heard. The most believable to me is a giant Heptahedron. Think about it. Seven continents, and seven sides. Don’t believe those that think it’s a globe, or flat. They’re crazy.
I think the main difference is the fact that this ONE, brand new virus has overwhelmed hospitals around the United States and around the world. Look at the people lying in the hallways of hospitals all because of this ONE virus. Sure, people die every day but not like this, where we have no treatment and not enough ventilators.
This country is not overwhelmed by cancer deaths, heart disease deaths, etc. But we have been overwhelmed with the coronavirus. Look at NYC; they have set up tents with hospital beds in Central Park; it looks like a war zone there. All because of this ONE virus.
When we get it under control, hopefully things can get back to normal.
Behind the curve as in we don't have as many deaths?I am hoping that we aren't in a shelter-in-place order by then. We haven't considered it yet in lieu of economic impact but by then, it may not matter. We are behind the curve for "first world" countries when it come to dealing with this thing.
This plan could literally lead to over a million death. of course, that’s only like 1/3 of one percent of Americans, so no big deal, right?
Doubling down on a lot of the mistakes we’ve made early on is probably not a good plan.
Getting it under control is probably the only thing that will help. Like it or not. Millions of people having the virus will be worse than shutting stuff down.
To the earlier point about next season. My guess is that there will be competition with no fans. All the participants are tested. Just a guess. This is definitely something with no data.
Yes with the caveat that everyone does so at their own discretion. If you are older in the high risk category and/or have a pre-existing condition then you need to consider distancing and be extra careful. Concessions need to be made by employers. Everyone needs to follow the hand washing, coughing, etc and provide as much distance as possible.
The far more damage is what Is being done than the virus itself. Everyone assumes continual bail out by someone else. The numbers don’t support this.
Ask questions on both sides instead of just accepting words. Does the information provider have any skin in the game? Is there a golden goose benefit that media gets by having a massive news story with the country shut down including sports?
The main problem is your first paragraph. People won't do that. There are way too many selfish people around that won't do that because it is inconvenient to them. That has already been proven over the last 3 weeks and if allowing people to make these decisions on their own in this situation, it will fail. It sucks I know ... I wish it wasn't like that but it is.
What if it's you? Or you are lucky and live but your daughter/wife/mother/grandmother/grandfather/father/son were to die from this? Would you still feel the same way?I appreciate everyone trying their best but in a few weeks the country is going to realize that a few hundred thousand or million people aren’t worth it. It sucks, but so do all the other ways that people die.
Behind the curve as in the rate of growth of cases and deaths is increasing at one of the fastest rates, and the US rate is still going up.Behind the curve as in we don't have as many deaths?
Behind the curve as in the rate of growth of cases and deaths is increasing at one of the fastest rates, and the US rate is still going up.
You are right about letting others make stupid mistakes, but that doesn't mean it has to be universally applied. Someone getting fat doesn't infect someone else. It is a personal choice. Stopping the spread of disease is a community choice and responsibility.those patients may not be in hospital hallways but that’s ridiculous. The thing is that you can’t stop a natural occurring superbug but you CAN stop obesity, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc much of the time. Yet we continue to let people make decisions that put a huge burden on the health care system.
Look at the numbers. We are talking about apples to apples.Show the numbers, don’t talk about rates since we are starting from recent data tracking.
if you have 1 case and get a second then your rate is what? That’s like going with no sales to some sales and say wow look how much my sales rate improved!
Look at the numbers. We are talking about apples to apples.
Just look at the growth rate in Iowa in the past 2 weeks. We went from <40 to 500 cases, 0 deaths to 7. And that's yesterday's stats...
There is no data in your arguments. All you are hitting on are the many, many mistakes made by business leaders to save bucks and increase their profits; cutting supply, outsourcing, etc. The bill is due now.
For God's sake, use Google. I have posted several links already.When was the first case in Iowa and how do we know that?
What if it's you? Or you are lucky and live but your daughter/wife/mother/grandmother/grandfather/father/son were to die from this? Would you still feel the same way?
You are right about letting others make stupid mistakes, but that doesn't mean it has to be universally applied. Someone getting fat doesn't infect someone else. It is a personal choice. Stopping the spread of disease is a community choice and responsibility.
Yes. My dad is 70 and still going to work because it’s an essential job. My mom is retired, but my dads had a heart attack and they’ve both had cancer.
I am not naive enough to think that we can stop this any different than we can stop any other seasonal bug. It sucks, but that’s the hand we were dealt. Life isn’t always perfect.