What is included and who is specifically part of The_DEEP_STATE?
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According to this article, the “deep state” appears to be nothing but a bunch of federal office workers who do nothing but shuffle and staple paper, all the while collecting a taxpayer-funded paycheck.
www.newsweek.com
Deep state fights back against Trump
One federal worker told Newsweek they are ready to "disobey unlawful orders" amid anger over the president's policies.
www.newsweek.com
You get that cup and it says "Luscious Dragon" and you lose your sh!t every time!Every damn cheery, peppy, ghey barista out there that always spells my name wrong is Deep State!!!!
Primarily refers to the unelected bureaucracy,.. These are the people who do the governmental grunt work, administration after administration, answering to essentially no one, never getting pushed out, wielding their accumulated power as they see fit,... J. Edgar Hoover could be a poster boy example..
In fairness, the coffee makes me pooYou get that cup and it says "Luscious Dragon" and you lose your sh!t every time!
The deep state was likely a projection. Recent events have lead me to believe that to be the case. Too many people and entities easily bent the knee to power which in a regular presidency would have been pretty minimal power considering how close the split is in the House.
No not at all. He's basically the opposite. Because if a Democrat wins in 2028, Elon would be gone in an instant. Cabinet members, staff members, they are not part of the "deep state".
I think that "deep state" is an overly dramatic and conspiratorial term, but the premise exists.
It is the entrenched bureaucracy of federal employees and offices and federally funded NGOs that due to the sheer size and complexity and inscrutability of the federal government become virtually untouchable and unaccountable. It also has been (of course) painted as Trump-centric, but it isn't necessarily so. It is a threat or obstacle to any president that will try to improve over the status quo and has been for some time.
The absolute pants-wetting regarding USAID coming under the knife shows that you aren't supposed to be able to do that. They aren't supposed to be accountable to anyone, and we've just become accustomed to it.
Here's another little signal...every suggested program or office to be cut or audited is either too big that it's essential and shouldn't be touched OR it's such a tiny percentage of the budget that it doesn't matter and shouldn't be touched. In other words, nothing should be touched.
How are they untouchable and unaccountable? They are required to comply with the laws of congress and the legal executive orders of the president.
Someone please explain to me how these employees who can't seem to be named or even be told what position they occupy are "untouchable and unaccountable" They report to someone who reports to someone and that chain ultimately leads up to a political appointment by the POTUS who is confirmed by the senate. You can't fire civil servants like political appointees but you can fire them, and them ignoring or standing in the way of legal executive orders or appropriate reports to congress is grounds for termination.
To me it all sounds like a easy BS excuse Trump has made for his incompetence and failures. No other president before him blamed the deep state for their problems. So now whenever Trump clearly blows it, his cult doesn't see him as the problem, they just blame the nameless, faceless "deep state".
Quite frankly it's the "stabbed in the back theory" but with career civil servants as opposed to Jews.
Well, Trump and Musk are proving that they are not actually untouchable. And you can see the squealing when they are accountable and touchable. Nobody previously has dared. And also, every one previously has been too afraid to break things. They've been untouchable because they are part of a giant jenga tower that nobody can quite untangle all the dependencies and double dealing. The current administration is willing to break things if that is what happens. I am not endorsing that strategy.
I 100% agree with it being used as an excuse by Trump.
That means it's not a problem. And it's not just a problem for Republicans. Someone above used Hoover as an example, who was undermining Civil Rights efforts of Kennedy and Johnson. And Republicans have used it to their advantage in the past as well.
They are upset because a person with no government job and no security clearance was allowed to just walk into their office and take over their work computers.
If someone from off the street just walked in and took over our accounting office the employees there would be upset too.
There are proper channels for auditing the government agencies there always has been. They broke the proper channels, just walked in and took over.
None of them are pitching a fit about providing reports to congress on their spending or what's going on in their office. No one is insisting that the office/money belongs to them alone. They are upset that a random 25 year old kid was allowed to just walk into their office and take over computers with sensitive information and anyone who objected to this was placed on administrative leave.
We have government auditors who are allowed to look into these things. We have a congress who is allowed to look into it, and the president is allowed to look into it himself. You know who's not allowed to do it? Some Elon Musk fanboy with no government job and no security clearance.
In fact, to be clear, this being a concern of the right is only a past decade or two development. Traditionally, it was leftists who were very highly concerned with the deep state (particularly the CIA, FBI and state department) and its ability to stand in the way of progress at home and abroad no matter the will of elected officials. Countless examples of the deep state undermining the policy directives of the Congress and/or the president. I mean, for example you can make a case that Iran-Contra was the deep state counteracting the will of Congress in defunding the Contras. If you buy that Reagan was unaware of the scheme, then it is EXACTLY a deep state operation, but even if he did have knowledge, it tracks.
It's just another weird reversal under Trump.
It's just another weird reversal under Trump.
OK? What are you asking me to do about it? I literally said I didn't endorse the strategy.
I am ambivalent about it.
I thought it was another maggot conspiracy theory.
Like, deep state means there's a secret government that no one can pinpoint, but all the maggots know it's there.
Like, deep state means there's a secret government that no one can pinpoint, but all the maggots know it's there.
I should think you should find it more distressing than ambivalent. You should also stop believing in this ridiculous idea of a deep state as anything more than a right wing conspiracy theory.
You realize that 25 year old Elon Musk fanboy who has never been vetted by anyone literally has access bank account information and social security numbers for nearly every American right? Some 25 year old kid who's only qualifications is thinking Elon Musk is just like the greatest most awesome guy in the history of the world has access to your personal information.
You want to talk about unaccountable people. . .
This is an A++++++ response......and first reply out of the gate to boot!
Good job @95Hawk , you have done well today.
idiots watching musk and trump form a deep state haven't a clue what they voted for.
This is a pretty good example for those who genuinely want to know and are open-minded enough to care.
Huh, whoda thunk that? Most of us thought it was based on Trump's attempts to bribe the government of Ukraine for his own benefit and overthrow the government on J6 for his own benefit. The things you learn on here 🤣
Read the entire article. You'll learn something. Anyone still denying our government has become a bloated corrupt cesspool can't be taken seriously.
Here's some more "deep state" activity. Just the tip of the iceberg and we're going to find politico is just one of many. Disgusting.
Yeah I forgot Trump had nothing to do with his own impeachments. Twice. He hates accountability, too bad. Impeached.
