an omnipotent creator has more direct control than a parent
I mostly agree with this assertion and it is consistent with biological models of evolution and social behavior. Devine intervention is possible but not required.
I’ve got two. Grown ass men. They are doing great and I never once knew what they were going to do before they did it. And I never once demanded that they do anything that they were absolutely opposed to doing. So I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.
Perfectly obedient child would equal a robot.
and do parents have any responsibility to "earn" the love of their children?
No.
job was mentioned earlier in the thread. if a parent purposely destroyed basically everything in a child's life just to prove a point to someone else, would that parent be deserving of their child's love?
God didn’t do those things to Job.
So I'm as all-knowing as god? I designed the kids?
The Job scenario will not translate well to human parenting since human parents do not have the ability to talk to Satan and permit him to torment someone.
Don’t hear what I did not say Belem.
you're the one who equate god to parents...i think its a crappy analogy and it seems like you're beginning to agree
You lost me and could not disagree more. God uses Father (Abba father) often in the Bible to describe Himself. New NT Greek uses Storge love as the type of love for a family member. Therefore, parenting relationship and seeing God as a loving Father is all too important.
Quick read (from a secular source) on the father wound and its profound impact:
You're trying to model the god/human relationship based on a human/human relationship. But god is an all knowing being who created us.
It was good enough for God, no?
Like I said, friend, I don’t want to take anyone’s faith away or de-convert anyone. Life is challenging enough as it is, and if belief in god helps someone through life I’m all for it.
When we're talking about behavior, we call it punishment and reward.
Hinduism has the same thing, where various gods take on human avatars. That's where we get the word "avatar."God was human in Christianity.
Jesus is God made Man.
And Jesus isn't a myth like Zeus, Thor or Odin.
Hinduism is legalism.
Hey! Good grub!If we live the Christian life, we'll be OK in the Hindu afterlife as well.
Not sure.When Jesus said "Enter through the narrow gate" does that mean most humans will NOT be saved?
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 7:13-14 - New International Version
The Narrow and Wide Gates - “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.www.biblegateway.com
Many will scoff at what I'm about to say, but I'll say it anyway.
Well this was part of the sermon on the mount so it’s unlikely that it was meant for the Pharisees, or teachers of the law since they were probably not present.
Ironic to me because few "choose" religion. Most are introduced to the church as young children and would never question it. Are they robots?
A fair point but percentage wise, less atheists have atheist parents than religious people have religious parents.It's like how most Americans today are born into atheism and never question it.
A just God would judge them based on their behavior and not be concerned about their worship practices.One can spin anything almost.
Moreover, what if someone is born into the true religion then rejects it??
That isn’t omniscience. Omniscience is knowing before you even tell the child to stay away from the candy that you’re going to tempt them and they will succumb. Omniscience is knowing how it will play out even before the child exists. That is what is commonly known as a no-win scenario for the child.
Groups of people have seen my fire-breathing dragon according to what’s written. It can’t be independently verified, of course, but since it was written down it has to be true.Groups of people saw Jesus resurrected from the dead so I respectfully disagree.
