Who’s our starter at 165?

[Inspiteofourselves]

He is currently a full time student so the ORS won't be happening. I have said since Caliendo came that PK should go 174 and Nelson 184 . I think that line up scores the most points at NCAA's

I agree

 

[OptionalStart]

Assuming gambling stuff goes away this will be the best spot challenge since Cassar and Rasheed at 97 for PSU.

High finishes win tourney titles and think you have to let Nelson go 74. If it was for a dual championship I would move him to 84 and slot in MC and PK.

 

[sdvike]

Caliendo should fill in nicely Friday for PK while PK awaits the NCAA gambling vote. Hopefully get PK back for Olguin in Carver.

 

[Bosox2004]

He is currently a full time student so the ORS won't be happening. I have said since Caliendo came that PK should go 174 and Nelson 184 . I think that line up scores the most points at NCAA's

are we sure on the full time student statement comment.

I thought you just can’t wrestle attached to your school this year , with the tournament in December i wouldn’t see this as an obstacle.

I’m almost positive freshman can even wrestle attached under the new rules before December , qualify in December and then take the Olympic red shirt .

There’s a nice flo article on this but it’s not at all definitive .

 

[T8KUDWN]

Well I guess technically 3. He redshirted (20-21) then sat behind the Bull (21-22)(who beat him at an early season open by a point if I recall). Last year (22-23) was his first year as a starter.

I think the right answer is, he has had 1 opportunity to AA.
He's been in the program longer than that, but last season was his first opportunity.

 

[vhsalum]

It's Caliendo guys. Even when PK comes back from gambling.

 

[PotentiallyDan]

Based on what we've seen so far in 3 years, PK doesn't have the stuff to reach the podium. The sooner the staff realized this the better, and now we have a stud at the weight. Not sure why some of you refuse to accept this. We all love Patrick and hope to see him at the top eventually but we can't let hope guide a blue blood program.

 

[so cal hawkfan]

Based on what we've seen so far in 3 years, PK doesn't have the stuff to reach the podium. The sooner the staff realized this the better, and now we have a stud at the weight. Not sure why some of you refuse to accept this. We all love Patrick and hope to see him at the top eventually but we can't let hope guide a blue blood program.

This is simply factually incorrect. Caliendo didn’t beat anyone at the National tournament that PK couldn’t beat. PK lost to Amine who beat Griffith who beat Caliendo. PK dropped a match to the 4 seed Ramirez who also lost to Griffith. These guys couldn’t be anymore closely matched.

 

[js8793]

It's Caliendo guys. Even when PK comes back from gambling.

PK is a good wrestler. Good enough to start on a championship team. But Caliendo has a higher end skillset that gives him a higher ceiling. He's more athletic and has much better feel finishing attacks.

In a one off match, I wouldn't be suprised by either winning, but if I had to pick a guy to score points at NCAA's this year, I'd pick Caliendo.

 

[sstark46]

I love PK. I'm glad he's a Hawk. He's an easy guy to cheer for and I love his style of wrestling. I do believe he's better than his NCAA showing last year would otherwise suggest.

That said, Caliendo didn't transfer in to sit on the bench.

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

How many shots at AA‘ing has PK had so far? Three? (I’m really not sure.)

Um, how about one. The Bull wrestled in the 2022 NCAAs and PK wrestled in 2023. This will be his second attempt.

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

How many shots at AA‘ing has PK had so far? Three? (I’m really not sure.)

By the way, I didn't mean for my response to sound standoffish; I actually had to think about it and even double check NCAAs history to ensure I wasn't crazy since PK has seemingly been here forever.

 

[PotentiallyDan]

This is simply factually incorrect. Caliendo didn’t beat anyone at the National tournament that PK couldn’t beat. PK lost to Amine who beat Griffith who beat Caliendo. PK dropped a match to the 4 seed Ramirez who also lost to Griffith. These guys couldn’t be anymore closely matched.

Amine? That’s PK’s biggest career win? Woof. Guess you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. PK hasn’t passed my eye test yet and he’s been in the room 3 years. Short arms, not quick. He’d be a bruiser at 57 IMO, just another room guy at 65. Scoreboard would indicate the same being we brought Caliendo in for 165. Don’t have to like hearing it but it’s the truth.

 

[vhsalum]

Amine? That’s PK’s biggest career win? Woof. Guess you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. PK hasn’t passed my eye test yet and he’s been in the room 3 years. Short arms, not quick. He’d be a bruiser at 57 IMO, just another room guy at 65. Scoreboard would indicate the same being we brought Caliendo in for 165. Don’t have to like hearing it but it’s the truth.

Ouch. that's a big far. He's far better than being a room guy. But he's a weight that is insane - COULD AA, but not sure winning a chip will ever be in the cards.

Where we agree? He needs to be at 157.

 

[Sdwrestler_20]

Amine? That’s PK’s biggest career win? Woof. Guess you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. PK hasn’t passed my eye test yet and he’s been in the room 3 years. Short arms, not quick. He’d be a bruiser at 57 IMO, just another room guy at 65. Scoreboard would indicate the same being we brought Caliendo in for 165. Don’t have to like hearing it but it’s the truth.

Amine is 4, 4, 7 at NCAA's so not exactly a slouch.

 

[js8793]

Amine? That’s PK’s biggest career win? Woof. Guess you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink. PK hasn’t passed my eye test yet and he’s been in the room 3 years. Short arms, not quick. He’d be a bruiser at 57 IMO, just another room guy at 65. Scoreboard would indicate the same being we brought Caliendo in for 165. Don’t have to like hearing it but it’s the truth.

Big overreaction. If Caliendo doesn't transfer, PK is one of the better starters on this team (and still could be). He was a deserving 6 seed last year. Had a great year. I think Caliendo is a better prospect, but PK is still capable of placing in a brutal weight.

 

[Nashville_Hawkeye]

Ouch. that's a big far. He's far better than being a room guy. But he's a weight that is insane - COULD AA, but not sure winning a chip will ever be in the cards.

Where we agree? He needs to be at 157.

Funny you say that because others on here are wanting him to be at 74. LOL! And FWIW, I'm not arguing against 57...PK always looks like he could give up a few pounds but I don't know if he already drops to get to 65. Anyhow the only thing I'm ever arguing is PK at 74 (don't see it) and Caliendo being being better than PK based on last year's NCAAs. If Cal beats PK for 65 then Cal is our guy, but until then I'm not buying into the Caliendo needs to be our 65 pounder gibberish.

 

[LaxHawk174]

Funny you say that because others on here are wanting him to be at 74. LOL! And FWIW, I'm not arguing against 57...PK always looks like he could give up a few pounds but I don't know if he already drops to get to 65. Anyhow the only thing I'm ever arguing is PK at 74 (don't see it) and Caliendo being being better than PK based on last year's NCAAs. If Cal beats PK for 65 then Cal is our guy, but until then I'm not buying into the Caliendo needs to be our 65 pounder gibberish.

People aren't just high on Caliendo because he AA'd and PK didn't. He has displayed offense and takedown getting ability against multiple NCAA Champs. And that's after 2 years in NDSU's room, vs PK with 3 years in ours. Still love PK, but frankly I have a hard time seeing him getting a takedown against O'Toole. Caliendo has proven he can do that, and now he's coming into the Hawk room with better partners and coaches.

 

[vhsalum]

People aren't just high on Caliendo because he AA'd and PK didn't. He has displayed offense and takedown getting ability against multiple NCAA Champs. And that's after 2 years in NDSU's room, vs PK with 3 years in ours. Still love PK, but frankly I have a hard time seeing him getting a takedown against O'Toole. Caliendo has proven he can do that, and now he's coming into the Hawk room with better partners and coaches.

I went back and rewatched that match with O'Toole - man he looked good.

I think the moment just got to him, and it's like - holy sh*t, i could win this! LOL

That first-year Iowa jump is real. (diminishing returns after that, but thats a discussion for another day) Caliendo does beat PK, and is going to end up higher on the podium this year!

 

[js8793]

People aren't just high on Caliendo because he AA'd and PK didn't. He has displayed offense and takedown getting ability against multiple NCAA Champs. And that's after 2 years in NDSU's room, vs PK with 3 years in ours. Still love PK, but frankly I have a hard time seeing him getting a takedown against O'Toole. Caliendo has proven he can do that, and now he's coming into the Hawk room with better partners and coaches.

Watched this match last night and it's the first thought I had. And then he took him down a second time.