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Who Knew, Grape Juice Could Yield Similar Results Of Hydroxychloroquine

She didn't ban the drug. This has been pointed out many times and you keep repeating the lie. Why is that?
she sent out a letter threatening action against anyone who prescribed it for covid 19...……..so why are You Lying ?
 
Not all hospitals/docs in the US are using it. Some are, others aren't. The hospital I am most familiar with is not using it in in widespread manner by any means. Other systems are. Ideally we would have a large clinical trial by now.
Yes it is being used all over the country, cut the crap
 
Translation?

People who are familiar with your posting history are not surprised you have so easily "recognized a motive" and that conclusion is that "the left" is so obsessive with Trump that they're rooting for poor outcomes and that the left is sick and twisted.

That you think "the left" - however you define that - actually has that motive, makes you the sick and twisted. But it's not eye opening.

I hope that helps.
 
HCQ is proven to kill COVID in test tubes and at least some patients. It shows far more promise than grape juice SMH. Maybe it isn’t the wonder drug, maybe it is. Who knows?

I do find it interesting when people can say that the drug is dangerous and will give you a heart attack, and in the next breath say we need to save the drug to give to lupus patients!o_O

Just like most of medicine, it is all risk/benefit. We know it is beneficial in diseases like lupus, and we can therefore assess whether the risks of the drug outweigh the benefits in that patient population. For COVID-19 we have no idea whether it will be beneficial, and if it is, we have no idea how beneficial. It makes the risk/benefit analysis impossible.

The list of drugs that can kill things in a test tube that go no to fail in clinical trials is immense, but we don't often hear about them because they don't make it to market.


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Not all hospitals/docs in the US are using it. Some are, others aren't. The hospital I am most familiar with is not using it in in widespread manner by any means. Other systems are. Ideally we would have a large clinical trial by now.

I would like to know mortality rates in hospitals that are using it regularly against those that are not.
 
It take zero scientific knowledge to recognize a motive.

I don't mean this as an inflammatory comment, and truly want your opinion, and this question is not meant to be political. Is it possible that there is a motive on the other side as well? What strikes me as odd is that all of the talk from the WH is on hydroxychloroquine and not on other therapies that IMO have more hope of being effective (such as remdesivir, convalescent plasma, and some of the biologics). There are ongoing clinical trials for all of these. It has always seemed strange to me that these are not being mentioned nearly as much as hydroxychloroquine. Maybe it is just because they aren't readily available, but you would think they would be worth mentioning.
 
It wasn't a ban on all use. So you're lying. I request you post accurate information or shut up.
in the context we are discussing here today, for covid 19-she would not let anyone prescribe it...………..so you shut your partisan yap
 
I would like to know mortality rates in hospitals that are using it regularly against those that are not.

That would be interesting, but what would be even better would be randomized trial. There are tons of potential cofounders if you just look at mortality rates from different hospitals.
 
How come you completely disregarded the other link?

Because it’s anecdotal. Some people recover after you give them the drug. The questions are whether they would have recovered without the drug and whether giving the drug will harm patients.

Until you have a statistically significant study, it’s not a cure. I’m not saying don’t study or investigate it - just do the studies carefully and let’s find out.

I’d love it to work. I’d love to get out of my house. But to just start telling the general public to take a drug is flat out stupid.

You saw what happened to the chloroquine study, right?
 
Trump should probably let the doctors determine what is helpful and what's not and that requires time and testing. You don't need people killing themselves by taking something that only hurt them because the president mentioned it before modern medicine has had time to test it out.

Having people try out a drug before we even know all the side effects or even if that drug has any effect what so ever is at best irresponsible but it is extremely dangerous.

Scared people make poor decisions and can hurt themselves worse.
 
You have Liberals attacking a drug/treatment because they hate the President

Ted Lieu is a nut job
 
Yes it is being used all over the country, cut the crap

Where are all of the amazing success stories? This is part of what separates snake oil cures from reality. This is the current talking point of conservative media but it needs to either transition to reality or go away.

Please let the stories about this drug's effectiveness be true. Seriously. I want to hear about it from the medical community. I have a lot of nurse and doctor friends and so far all I see from them are horror stories from the front lines and pleas for people to stay home and to practice proper hygiene.
 
People who are familiar with your posting history are not surprised you have so easily "recognized a motive" and that conclusion is that "the left" is so obsessive with Trump that they're rooting for poor outcomes and that the left is sick and twisted.

That you think "the left" - however you define that - actually has that motive, makes you the sick and twisted. But it's not eye opening.

I hope that helps.

I posted that many are rooting for this drug to fall on its face in order to embarrass Trump. So you read that as "the left is rooting for the virus." Try harder - that's not thinking to well. It's not a black and white world out there.
 
in the context we are discussing here today, for covid 19-she would not let anyone prescribe it...………..so you shut your partisan yap
This is 100 percent incorrect. It was being prescribed and used regularly in the state of Michigan with COVID patients admitted to the hospital. Your characterization of a ban is the political partisan position.
I will concede that this was a poorly handled communication from their office and it is reasonable to criticize her on that aspect.
 
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You have Liberals attacking a drug/treatment because they hate the President

Ted Lieu is a nut job

People aren't attacking the treatment, they're questioning a non-medical person who feels the need to make medical decisions. The fact that you would listen to trump over the medical community is just crazy.
 
This is 100 percent incorrect. It was being prescribed and used regularly in the state of Michigan with COVID patients admitted to the hospital. Your characterization of a ban is the political partisan position.
I will concede that this was a poorly handled communication from their office and it is reasonable to criticize her on that aspect.

Why in the hell would doctors be using it?
 
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Where are all of the amazing success stories? This is part of what separates snake oil cures from reality. This is the current talking point of conservative media but it needs to either transition to reality or go away.

Please let the stories about this drug's effectiveness be true. Seriously. I want to hear about it from the medical community. I have a lot of nurse and doctor friends and so far all I see from them are horror stories from the front lines and pleas for people to stay home and to practice proper hygiene.

 
I posted that many are rooting for this drug to fall on its face in order to embarrass Trump. So you read that as "the left is rooting for the virus." Try harder - that's not thinking to well. It's not a black and white world out there.

If the drug was successful that would be good for humans and bad for the virus. If "the left" is rooting for the drug to fail, follow the logic.

I did get a laugh out of "It's not a black and white world out there" after the blanket conclusion you made about "the left" which included "sick and twisted", - that's rich. And not eye opening from you.

Your motive sure is easy to diagnose.
 
This is 100 percent incorrect. It was being prescribed and used regularly in the state of Michigan with COVID patients admitted to the hospital. Your characterization of a ban is the political partisan position.
I will concede that this was a poorly handled communication from their office and it is reasonable to criticize her on that aspect.
I posted her letter here. She forbid use for COVID 19. You are inaccurate

the Michigan gov is a partisan fool and I suspect was pulling a political stunt to get her on the vice presidential list
 
Notice the dems cant think for themselves but just go in lock step with the anti-hydroxycloroquine talking points.

Michael Savage : "Liberalism is a mental disorder"
And who exactly are you in lockstep with? Trump and his pushing of an unproven drug?
 
I posted her letter here. She forbid use for COVID 19. You are inaccurate

the Michigan gov is a partisan fool and I suspect was pulling a political stunt to get her on the vice presidential list

I attached a link so you could learn more about what is actually happening. I have direct knowledge of this. Here is an article that discusses the use of this drug. They have several other studies going as well.

https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/roun...ss-latest-treatments-and-treatment-rumors-for
 
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I attached a link so you could learn more about what is actually happening. I have direct knowledge of this. Here is an article that discusses the use of this drug. They have several other studies going as well.

https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/roun...ss-latest-treatments-and-treatment-rumors-for
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You have Liberals attacking a drug/treatment because they hate the President

Ted Lieu is a nut job

You are so simple minded it's unbelievable. This drug thing was started by Trump because he was looking for a reason to reopen the US. Someone (probably Fox) told him about the drug. He knew that people like you would follow anything he said so he planted the idea that there was a miracle drug that would cure C-19. If he could get enough people to buy into it, he felt he could remove the lock down. He doesn't care whether the drug works or not. He just needs enough people to follow him. At this point we don't know if the drug will or will not help. Until there's studies, we won't know. Am I ok with certain doctors prescribing it in certain cases, sure, I'm ok with it. What I'm not ok with is saying it's a true cure just because of something a non-expert said.
 
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If the drug was successful that would be good for humans and bad for the virus. If "the left" is rooting for the drug to fail, follow the logic.

I did get a laugh out of "It's not a black and white world out there" after the blanket conclusion you made about "the left" which included "sick and twisted", - that's rich. And not eye opening from you.

Your motive sure is easy to diagnose.

The OP compares hydroxychloroquine to grape juice and you want me to act like I don't know what that means. I'm suppose to play stupid for you?

Last night on MSNBC I watched a 10 minute segment belittling Trump's hydroxychloroquine remarks.

I think the chips are on the table and the bets have been made. The left in invested in making a fool out of Trump on this issue. Very sick IMO.
 
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The OP compares hydroxychloroquine to grape juice and you want me to act like I don't know what that means. I'm suppose to play stupid for you?

Last night on MSNBC I watched a 10 minute segment belittling Trump's hydroxychloroquine remarks.

I think the chips are on the table and the bets have been made. The left in invested in making a fool out of Trump on this issue. Very sick IMO.

I think you have it wrong. Trump is the person making a fool of himself. We're just pointing it out. You choose to follow the fool.
 
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The OP compares hydroxychloroquine to grape juice and you want me to act like I don't know what that means. I'm suppose to play stupid for you?

Last night on MSNBC I watched a 10 minute segment belittling Trump's hydroxychloroquine remarks.

I think the chips are on the table and the bets have been made. The left in invested in making a fool out of Trump on this issue. Very sick IMO.
Well said. Doctors all across the country are prescribing this drug Are they all fools ?

the partisan hatred shown here by the dems and the media is just sickening. Extremely dishonest
 
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