Who Knew, Grape Juice Could Yield Similar Results Of Hydroxychloroquine

[pablow]

Now, go back and READ the qualifications.

It's being used to calm the cytokine cascade, not to necessarily "kill the virus". Calm the symptoms so they can keep people stabilized.

The in vitro activity is against the virus; there is no cytokine cascade in vitro. And the cytokine cascade is what is causing peop!e to die. So while this has not been proven effective in humans, we can see why it is promising. We can see why thousands of doctors are prescribing it along with other treatments and providing testimony to successful results.

I agree no one should self-prescribe. It is not safe for some with certain medical conditions. However, if I get the virus I will ask my doctor to prescribe it along with a z-pack and zinc sulfate if it's safe for me.[/QUOTE]

The FDA approval letter specifically cites the in-vitro data as a grounds to approve emergency use -

"Based upon limited in-vitro and anecdotal clinical data in case series, chloroquine phosphate and hydroxychloroquine sulfate are currently recommended for treatment of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in several countries, . . .'
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Once again, it's just a pity that agencies like the FDA don't consult with Joe before wasting their time.

 

[Joes Place]

I'm only arguing the left seems overly eager to bash Trump for touting this drug.


On March 28th, the FDA issued a letter approving the use of these drugs for COVID-19.

Again: these are ALREADY approved drugs. There was NO NEED to do that, other than to pander to Trump. Off-label use is a thing. Has been for decades.

 

[Joes Place]

You can save your venom for other posters who are interested in a pi$$ing match.

Venom?

I totally threw you a CURE!!!

You are welcome!

 

[Joes Place]

The in vitro activity is against the virus

And there are thousands of drugs that work in a test tube, but are worthless in vivo.
That's why we conduct clinical trials.

 

[dandh]

And there are thousands of drugs that work in a test tube, but are worthless in vivo.
That's why we conduct clinical trials.

Nice to ignore the rest of my post. Especially the part where hydroxychloroquine is showing to be effective regarding the cytokine cascade, which is what is causing most of the death in covid-19 cases. It seems to me that you are trying to divert.

The issue here is not whether we need to conduct a clinical trial. We do and those are being conducted. The issue is what to do until it is completed, as it will take months to have an absolutely perfect answer. Many doctors think that hydroxychloroquine is part of the answer, that it is likely to alleviate suffering and dying from the disease. I appreciate that it has not be proven to a very high degree of certainty, but if we wait that long to use it irreparable damage will have occurred.

I am concerned that those "talking it down" by providing tweets about how it is unsafe (true in some cases for those with certain medical conditions, but not true in general), or arguing in a manner that suggests someone would be a fool to believe it works, or suggesting it is akin to doing nothing, are not being helpful in this case. I also suspect it is as much driven by political animus as scientific concern.

I will again repeat that if I am diagnosed with Covid-19 I will ask my doctor if it is safe for me to use it as part of a covid cocktail, and if he says it's safe I will ask him to prescribe it.

 

[Flie]

Trump took the matter to the FDA and it approved it for "compassionate use."

They were probably afraid of being fired for saying no.

 

[Joes Place]

Nice to ignore the rest of my post. Especially the part where hydroxychloroquine is showing to be effective regarding the cytokine cascade

I already wrote that.

 

[dandh]

I already wrote that.

Deflect away.

 

[ihhawk]

Looks like Cuomo is now bought in on its effectiveness. Asking for more doses.