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Who won the Walz v Vance debate?

Who won?

  • Walz

    Votes: 47 25.0%
  • Vance

    Votes: 92 48.9%
  • Basically a tie

    Votes: 49 26.1%

  • Total voters
    188
I tried to give Chishawk an opportunity to set the record straight on all the accusations flung at him about having 3 DUI charges. Honestly, I have in the past told people to stop throwing out unfounded accusations against him—like the guy, can’t remember who off the top of my head, people would say was a wife beater.

Instead of Chishawk coming out and saying something to the effect of it being nonsense he lashed out at me for asking the question.

I won’t bring it up again, but draw your own conclusions.

Is his personal life really any of your business?
 
I'd like to see us get back to that in the future.

The Trump era can't end soon enough for me. The thing with Trump is he affects everything...he influences how R's interact D's and D's interact with R's and I found it refreshing that these guys were actually were civil with each other.
Yet you won't vote for kamala which is the quickest way to get the trump era over.
 
It must have been one of the many handles that act and talk like you.

My point is that if a poster claims they didn’t see personal attacks in that thread, then they weren’t reading that thread.
I'm gonna start holding you accountable for the things chis says then. You basically act and talk the same, so no big deal, right?
 
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Yet you won't vote for kamala which is the quickest way to get the trump era over.
Obviously not, she's terrible. Just look at how she's performed on her one job she was assigned. The border czar is responsible for a 400% spike in illegal immigration. She deserves to be fired.
 
...they don’t do anything great as vice president...
I learned in 7th grade Civics class that the main constitutional duty of the VP is to break Senate ties and count (not delay) Electoral College votes. That's it. They can't write Executive Orders, they're not the head of state, they're not Commander in Chief. John Nance Garner was a VP of FDR. He famously described the vice presidency as being "not worth a bucket of warm piss"

Has Harris gained experience as VP? Absolutely. Is she qualified? Maybe not to the extent I would like but in comparison to...well, there is no comparison.
 
The other biggest takeaway is how much Vance sanewashed Trump. Listening to him you would think that Trump was a very capable and smart man. Then you actually see Trump and he rambles about eating pets, sharks battling batteries, windmills on cars, and Purge Night.

For that, Vance loses some serious credibility.
 
That was my first time seeing Vance. I was expecting more of a clown. Honestly he reminded me of Mayor Pete, which was probably his objective.
 
Vance won the bulk of the night maybe 60-40, but dropped the ball on the 2 going in for the TD with his non-answer on who won the 2020 election.

He also gave up the second best sound bite of the debate on fact checking.

For Vance not to have an answer for the election winner and Walz not to have an answer for China is debate prep malpractice.
Walz seemed genuine in his replies and proved he isn't a good debater. Vance showed this isn't his first rodeo and seemed more clear in his answers and retorts.

The China reply from Walz was odd, but to remember something from 30+ years ago I'm not gunna put a lot of stock into it. I liked from both that there was a decorum on being on the debate stage, as if it's a massive honor to be up there with the potential to serve in the highest house. I hope it sticks to that after this election.

It would've been Vance's night with his smooth delivery and clarity, but Walz hit him with two Tyson uppercuts on the Abortion reply, "We trust women and doctors", and the 1/6 non-answer. Those two are gunna be played on social media till election day and Vance will have trouble defending.
 
Is his personal life really any of your business?
Personal life is personal but those making assertions about Chis aren’t being “shot down” with rebuttals by Chis himself.
While we don’t know what or how much is factual I bet many of us would defend ourselves pretty robustly if the things that are posted aren’t at least partially based on facts.
I hope the man is okay and is at least talking to someone who can help him have brighter days.
 
Another aspect to consider:


The narrative going in was JD Vance was some unlikeable hillbilly turned rich kid...

You are going to see a major jump in Vance's "likeability" rating.
In a world without Trump you would be right. But this week, Trump will be talking about the dumbest stuff ever, Vance will have no choice but to agree. And his likeability will drown again.
 
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In a world without Trump you would be right. But this week, Trump will be talking about the dumbest stuff ever, Vance will have no choice but to agree. And his likeability will drown again.
Weak "but Trump" huey, believe it or not many people trust Trump's vision forward more than Kamala's.



You've been on a decent streak lately, be better.
 
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Personal life is personal but those making assertions about Chis aren’t being “shot down” with rebuttals by Chis himself.
While we don’t know what or how much is factual I bet many of us would defend ourselves pretty robustly if the things that are posted aren’t at least partially based on facts.
I hope the man is okay and is at least talking to someone who can help him have brighter days.

So if Chis has a serious drinking problem is it really any of your business? If poster “X” has a crack addiction do you feel entitled to know? What’s the standard for what people need to know about a posters personal life?
 
I'll add some context. He called himself a knucklehead in regards to the white lie he told about being in Hong Kong during the Tienanmen Square protests. Basically a fart in a hurricane compared to what TFG and his current pet spew.
Oh, it was just a white lie? Kind of like his stolen valor or not knowing what ivf is?
 
I think you are trying to justify the fact the Vance beat Walz, or at Minimum completely neutralized those 2, last night and are trying to rationalize anything you can.
I've said in many posts that Vance did well. I've complimented him to very high levels. He beat Walz through most of the night except for abortion and January 6.

That said, all the hard work Vance put in will mean nothing because Trump is such a collosal fvck up, he will just drag Vance back down again.
 
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