at this point last year? I think
95% of us would have.
95% of us would have.
Who would have taken 21-10
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Context though.....
Who would have taken 4-14 and 10-10 in the summer of 2018 with all the returnees we had?
Massively underachieving one year does not make mediocrity the following year something to celebrate.
Massively underachieving one year does not make mediocrity the following year something to celebrate.
Clarify that by saying that includes losses in 5 of the last 6, and 4 in a row...including losses to a couple of bottom feeders.
The problem comes in the last 10 games they are 5-5.
The last 5 games they are 1-4
They are in real trouble.
The last 5 games they are 1-4
They are in real trouble.
Would you take 23-8 next year?
Now would you take it if we lost 7 of our last 8 in conference play, falling out of contention for the B10 title, and dropping to the 5 seed in the BTT?........
Exactly. Saying we sucked less then last years terrible play isn’t saying much.
Not going to pretend like this year is some rousing success, especially if the Hawks don’t win a game in the NCAAs. But making it as an at large bid indicates being one of the Top 64 teams in college basketball and not what I would consider mediocrity
If Alford shook down 4 Iowa City merchants in 2000 and only 2 merchants in 2001, did that make him a better human being?
Each Hawkeye basketball season has different sets
of challenges. This season we had 3 Juniors starting
with 1 Sophomore and 1 Freshman. Leadership must
come from the upper class men. Cook and Bohannon
were to be leaders on and off the floor.
Iowa lost 5 out of their last 6 conference games.mostly
to teams at the bottom of the conference standings
with losing records. Coach Fran is not good at developing
leaders on his team. Coach Ferentz has the ability to
develop leaders on his football team each year.
of challenges. This season we had 3 Juniors starting
with 1 Sophomore and 1 Freshman. Leadership must
come from the upper class men. Cook and Bohannon
were to be leaders on and off the floor.
Iowa lost 5 out of their last 6 conference games.mostly
to teams at the bottom of the conference standings
with losing records. Coach Fran is not good at developing
leaders on his team. Coach Ferentz has the ability to
develop leaders on his football team each year.
And I think Barta agrees. So, I just need to check out of Hawkeye basketball until the goal changes.
Setting the round of 64 as a destination (versus a sweet 16 or a share of a conference championship) is like saying my Mlb baseball team’s season is a success if they finish 3rd in their division and are eliminated from the wild card race with only a week to go.
------But making it as an at large bid indicates being one of the Top 64 teams in college basketball and not what I would consider mediocrity
I may be wrong, but I think we are going to find out come tournament time, that the Big 10 is being SEVERELY overrated by everyone....I watch a lot of Pac 12 games....for a conference that gets dogged and will get only TWO teams in the tourney, they have several teams that would blow the doors off of Iowa.
I may be wrong, but I think we are going to find out come tournament time, that the Big 10 is being SEVERELY overrated by everyone....I watch a lot of Pac 12 games....for a conference that gets dogged and will get only TWO teams in the tourney, they have several teams that would blow the doors off of Iowa.
As you point out, everybody defines a successful season differently. For whatever reason, the Sweet 16 is the benchmark for what is considered a 100% successful season for a lot of people, even though teams who make the Sweet 16 have played one more game and get little extra national recognition than teams who played in the Round of 32. In both scenarios you are resigned to the same fate.
I can’t stress enough that the benchmark for a successful season for me isn’t necessarily just making the tournament. I think that, this year, if they can make it a good game and be competitive, I can live with it (ultimately expecting another step forward next year). Next year is the make or break year for me. Iowa will be losing a lot of its key players to graduation and will be set to begin rebuilding/reloading. Next year needs to be the year that they win games in the tourney otherwise Fran needs to go. 10 years will have been long enough
That was this year for me.
I can’t create a plausible argument for why someone should believe that Fran can ever have us succeed at a level above “just making the tournament”. His tenure hasn’t been bad, but it’s like having Kirk without 02, 04, 09 and 15 (maybe throw 03 and 08 in there as well). Fran has some decent seasons but no “special” seasons. I don’t expect “special” seasons every year, just once in a while.
Boy, some of the Debbie downers need to become fans of MSU, Duke, or KU/UK since they always win. Present context is that IA will be dancing when more than 80% of the negative fans didn't think that IA would be dancing in the beginning of the season. Also, did you see ISU also imploded late and will also be dancing too?
I'm looking forward to the BIG tourney and March Madness. If at least 4 BIG teams make it to the sweet 16, will some of the Debbie Downers believe that the BIG is the toughest conference in the nation? Either way, I'm enjoying this year; I am disappointed in the final end of the regular season but hey, shit happens.
Go Hawks!
I'm looking forward to the BIG tourney and March Madness. If at least 4 BIG teams make it to the sweet 16, will some of the Debbie Downers believe that the BIG is the toughest conference in the nation? Either way, I'm enjoying this year; I am disappointed in the final end of the regular season but hey, shit happens.
Go Hawks!
64 out of 347 D1 teams. We have a fundamentally different definition of mediocre
I wonder where our basketball budget ranks versus those 347. If you’re going to say we are on a level playing field with Drake, Sienna, Troy, etc. then we will definitely see things differently.
We are in Big Ten which means to me we should at least occasionally seriously contend for a conference title, we don’t.
One half or more makes the tournament most years, so making it every other year is about as average (mediocre) as you can get.
I will agree that our program compares favorably to most schools that don’t also have FBS football teams, that just doesn’t give me much comfort.
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Bad time to use the term Debbie!
But, if you enjoyed the game today (even just the first 39 minutes), I envy you.
Records can be deceiving like any other statistic.
I'd take effort, heart and hustle over 20 wins every single time.
Watching Cook, Moss, and CMac over the past 5 games has been a real eye opener about the skill and effort gap we seem to have with every other team in the conference.
I'd take effort, heart and hustle over 20 wins every single time.
Watching Cook, Moss, and CMac over the past 5 games has been a real eye opener about the skill and effort gap we seem to have with every other team in the conference.
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It's not the 21-10 that's the problem. It's how it happened. And there's no disguising that.
I would be interested to see how Iowa stacks up as well. And also how they stack up within the Big Ten
I agree B1G overrated. MSU is down Langford...they're still very good, but beatable. Michigan is way down from last year. They miss Abdul Rakman. Wisconsin is decent, not great.
I could see maybe 3 sweet 16 and maybe 1-2 Elite8. Probably not going to be any Final4 teams from B1G.
I would take both of those options
23-8 would be fantastic even if we lost 7 out of 8 to end the season.
Maybe, and this is really the only thing I'm hanging my hat on at this point, the Hawks will make a remarkable recovery once they start playing teams not in the B1G, where everyone knows them so well.
Without knowledge of a collapse, yes indeed. With knowledge, nope, no how....collapse makes it feel worse than a 10-21 team.
3 sweet 16 teams and 1 elite 8 team is about what would be expected based on the rankings. The strength of the Big 10 isn't the top teams it's that there aren't any bad teams.
Yes, I'm aware. Are you missing my point? If you are, here it is: JUST squeaking into the tournament occasionally is nothing to pat yourself on the back about. That's my opinion.
Well then why didn’t you JUST say that? Saying “a ton” of teams make the tournament, when 81% of all teams don’t make it, is inaccurate.
I’d also argue that Iowa is “sneaking” in. Most sites have Iowa at a 9 seed and have been a lock for about a month now. The last two NCAAs they were apart of were 7 seeds, so I don’t think they occasionally sneak into the tournament. This season, limped in would be accurate. I don’t think anyone is thrilled about how they’ve finished the season.
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