What's your job other than whining like a 3 year old?
Why are we being lectured by a guy with $400 billion
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So why are you poo pooing Trumps idea of putting two very successful businessmen in charge of finding waste and duplication in spending like private businesses do everyday? The problem with government is there is no incentive to balance a budget or to be fiscally responsible in any way. I think a fresh look from the outside can only be a good thing and hopefully bring public pressure on our representatives.
I'm guessing his net worth of $447 billion has something to do with him being smart and willing to cut costs.
It will be similar to every new Tesla vehicle roll out.
Could you say the same about Soros or Gates? How about Blackrock?
Musk is just a man who put himself out there and is trying (so it seems) to help people. Whether that is true or not is up for debate. But he has definitely put his name out there and his actions to his name. People like Soros Gates and Corps like Blackrock have done it faceless and only with their money behind the scenes.
So, I will give him credit for being upfront with himself.
i'm not sure how you're confused about this...i said it pretty clearly.
i prefer an approach similar to simpson bowles (a bipartisan group of elected legislators with an actual proposal) over the elon/vivek approach (turn 2 private investors loose and assume its going to turn out better)
also, like i already said...i think efforts to improve the operations and efficiency of the federal govt is good. but i don't think it should happen solely by the action of a newly created administrative "committee" (i don't even really know what to officially call "DOGE"). these kinds of changes should happen through legislation, subject to judicial review. this all part of that constitution thing you guys sometimes pretend to care about
One reason I have a bit of hope for this process is Musk's and Ramaswamy's ability to sell their cost cutting proposals directly to the public via social media,.. With this in play I think a lot of Congress will actually be shamed into paying attention, and not just simply accepting the well worn path laid out by the lobbyists...
oH, I dunno, everything i hear about working for him is that he cranks the efficiency pressure up to extract every possible ounce of productivity from you for the salary he pays you.
But i also heard, to your point, that he objected to a rocket design because he wanted rocket fins to be white instead of black, which necessitated the engineers totally reworking the thermal calculations relating to its safety.
The weird part of this is that, as far as i can tell, these guys are not government employees, and will have precisely zero authority to do anything other than whisper in people's ears. At some point there will surely be some sort of FACA lawsuit, aka "getting Hillaried" a la the health care task force.
That sounds like a great way for the D's to block all of the cost cutting measures.
i mean...yeah, that is the challenge. to come up with something that gets some level of bipartisan support and can get through our legislative process
i don't think "it's hard to pass legislation" is a reason to just do everything through executive fiat
the constant use of executive action while avoiding legislative fixing is why we're in this mess (and a few others). because all these executive actions are simply left to the interpretation or willingness of whoever the current president is.
You should be okay with this then, as this "committee" has no power to enact anything,.. Any ideas coming out of this process will have to be developed and implemented by the legislature, and everything will be subject to judicial review,.. I think you have everything you want.
It won't happen through legislation. The elected officials and the lobbyists that own them have made sure of this. The engine is beyond repair, it's time for an overhaul. Problem is 4 years won't be long enough and too many people won't be able to stomach the road bumps.
This is what rational, honest conservative fiscal responsibility can do.
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DOGE-Style Efficiency Cuts Deliver Argentina's First Budget Surplus in 123 Years.
In just one year, President Javier Milei has transformed Argentina's economic landscape, slashing the national budget deficit to zero for the first time
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As I have previously stated that unless the military is cut on the level of the rest of cuts this is an exercise in futility. An exercise that will lead the country (both dem & repubs) into being in a worse place than we are now.
Of course that could be the plan all along.
Of course that could be the plan all along.
Correct, but in the mean time the damaged being done to citizens won't be able to be undone. Also, the current make up of SCOTUS is very user friendly to deconstucting the Fed gov and giving the states more power so I personally would not count on judicial review helping out. (Most of the time)
And that is a problem with the system more than the employee. It's darn near an act of congress to fire a government civilian. When I was doing pro-serve in client space we had a woman who was about 4 years from retirement who literally slept at her desk. You'd walk by her cubicle and here her snoring only to see her from behind in her sweater, head tilted sitting on her hands out cold. Couldn't fire her...had to start a PIP and years of documentation no one wanted to do; especially because she was so close to retirement. Sooooo, they divided up her work to us contractors and rode it out until she retired. A few years later I wound up applying for that darn billet, only to go a different direction and become a GG-12 at NSA Texas.
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I 100% can not understand why anyone would trust Elon Musk as much as they do, but I've also never been able to understand the perspective of wanting the government to be "run like a business".
Actually don’t mind Musk. Think he’s the top entrepreneur of his generation by miles. But don’t think he infallible either. He’s Thomas Edison a brilliant businessman. Not Tesla Volt, Alan Turing, Henry Ford, or Steve Jobs. People that made something out of nothing and changed everything.
SpaceX is a great company, but the bulk of what they have accomplished so far NASA already did. The Saturn rocket was theorized by NASA as well. Which is the job of government.
Finance things the private sector can’t bear the risk of. Then once proven the private sector comes in and is able to quantify the risk.
I’m curious what they can actually do. It’s not as if the Congress has large republican majorities. Musk and the hair guy are about to find out that politics is the dirtiest game of all.
Because despite what the right thinks, Governments don't operate like businesses and can't operate like businesses.
What damage could possibly be worse than what already awaits if this isn't addressed?,.. I'm unconcerned about what will ultimately be viewed as near term minor inconveniences, to obtain long term repairs...
you can bet your sweet arse he won't be cutting any of the several million/billion $ contracts he has with government no matter how frivolous.
This is why he has a real conflict of interest in that position.
Government ensures the safety of people's food, provides social security checks to seniors, pays for health insurance for seniors, vets, and the poor. They also provide for air traffic control for all aircraft flying over the US.
Many people could die if the government screws any of this stuff up.
Of course to you it will be a "minor inconvenience" unless of course you are sitting on the airplane that collides with another plane because Musk thought one controller in his 13th hour of a 16 hour shift could handle directing 80 different planes at one time.
Of course this could be done by someone with more experience that knows how government operates. But that guy isn't Elon Musk who famously fired several twitter employees and then had to beg them to come back to work the very next day because he didn't realize that the job they did was actually important.
Good news is no one's lives depend upon Twitter working.
You need to think this out. The less government takes from you and wastes, the more you will have to better yourself. There's also the money multiplier difference between government spending and private spending. The economy will grow faster via private spending.
You're correct their actions indicate whether they are a shitty person. Musk is a shitty person.
Good for us contractors, but pissed us off as veterans who really care about the quality of our work.
For the vast majority of American families, the savings would be negligible and would quite easily be wiped out by a single unexpected trip to the ER due to listeria or the sudden finacial burden of having elder loved ones become a dependent.
The only thing they can do is send recommendations to Trump to put into his proposed budget that gets sent to Congress.
Looking at spending is a worthwhile exercise, but it’s not just picking off random DEI and woke stuff. And if anyone thinks Congress will go along with a trillion or two in budget cuts I think they’re smoking something.
Not exactly,.. This model will have the "committee" sharing their cost saving ideas with the public, which might put pressure on some members of Congress to actually act.
Agreed. The purpose of a government is not to increase its own stock prices. It's to create an environment that allows other businesses to increase theirs and ensure people can live safely enough to support those businesses.
We don't need to increase our "stock price",.. all we need to do is maintain our valuation...
