Second on the team behind Baer in blocks/steals but yep..just out there ole'ing
Again, blind hatred of the guy because he wasn't as good and didn't give the effort that some of you wanted. Most valuable player on this year's team AINEC.
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Second on the team behind Baer in blocks/steals but yep..just out there ole'ing
Again, blind hatred of the guy because he wasn't as good and didn't give the effort that some of you wanted. Most valuable player on this year's team AINEC.
I agree with this criticism wholeheartedly. I feel the same way.
Where I depart from many on this board is somehow saying we're better without Cook or that he wasn't an exceptionally important part of our team.
2nd on the worst defensive team in the big ten! One half a block per game! Lol. .7 steals a game. Not even 1 per game. LolSecond on the team behind Baer in blocks/steals but yep..just out there ole'ing
Again, blind hatred of the guy because he wasn't as good and didn't give the effort that some of you wanted. Most valuable player on this year's team AINEC.
Edit to add: tied for 4th on the team in steals and tied with 4 other people for 2nd in blocks. You really twisted those stats!
I didn't twist anything. The argument was his value to Iowa, not how he stacks up defensively in the Big Ten. Try to stay on topic.
The question is whether Iowa was a better team without Cook this year and/or his importance.
I'm saying he was our most important player on both offense and defense this season.
You said he was 2nd in steals and blocks. One was completely wrong, and the other he was tied with 4 different people. Good call.
I can agree with this, but not in a good way. It was important for team defensive success that tyler step up and protect the rim and give great effort. He did neither.
1st dunk of this video: ole'
Not to mention 3 other times in the first half of that video he watches someone shoot or dunk within 2 feet of him.
Not to mention 3 other times in the first half of that video he watches someone shoot or dunk within 2 feet of him.
I don't hate Cook. I think there are very few Iowa fans, who hate Tyler. I have been disappointed by his lack of development and often for his passivity, which is why he didn't commit many fouls. He was often an awful defensive player (especially in help situations), and wasn't the rebounder he could be, because he stood around flat footed much of the time on the defensive end. It was very common to see the other team get offensive rebounds, while Tyler was standing nearby watching. I am especially puzzled when I see him play like he did in the second half against Tennessee, and then think back about how he played most of minutes the rest of his career. I am not sure whether to blame the coaches for not lighting a fire, or whether Tyler is just not naturally aggressive??? Because he was so naturally gifted and seemed like a good teammate, Iowa was still lucky to have him be a Hawkeye.
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Combined...are you dense?
He Ole'd a guy once or twice so that means he never played any defense. Anecdotal evidence isn't an argument. It's plain ridiculous.
Great. This I agree with.
However, this is not what I'm arguing or what others in this thread are saying. They aren't saying "Yes, he was a really important part of our team, I just wish he would have played up to his potential." They're saying, "No loss he's gone. He made us worse and we should have benched him all season."
There's a huge departure from those two arguments. One I agree with and one is simply absurd.
No, he did it damn near every game.
Combined? Combined steals and blocks? He still wasnt top 2 on the team! Are you dense??!!!
L.O.L.
What does the 5 have to do with anything?
Cook was a poor defender period. His defense was a negative most of the time.
And to add: per 40 mins baer, moss, maccaffrey, dailey, weiskamp, and kriener averaged more steals than him. Per 40 mins baer, garza, kriener, weiskamp averaged more blocks than him. Odd for someone 10 times the defender kriener is, and especially someone 2nd on the team in those categories as you claim! Even when doing per game averages he isn't 2nd on the team in those categories like you claim!
Good examples of the classic jump out of the way and the stand next to the play and do nothing move.
Those were repeated over and over again every game. Especially the second half of the season.
Classic straw man trying to justify your defense of an incorrect argument.
Cook was obviously valuable on offense, not much on defense.
On paper, and sometimes in reality, Iowa has been better with Cook. He definitely draws attention, which often made it easier on his teammates. Also think the rest of the team had to adjust their games to his. If he stayed, he would have had to adjust his to theirs more, something he’d have to do as a pro anyway. Nunge will fit the other’s games perhaps better with his shooting. His length, new-found strength, and relative quickness for his height/strength could make him a better defender. But we’ll see.
BS. He was a 6'9" 250 pound athletic guy that could guard the opposing team's big men. He wasn't valuable on defense? There's no straw man here. Direct to your argument you are making right in this post.
He was a very valuable player on defense because of his size and the guys he was defending.
Add back in his offense, which you yourself say was valuable, and he becomes the most valuable player on the team for Iowa. And, again, there are people on this board saying we're a better team without him. That isn't a strawman, that's a fact. Go look at the thread when Cook declared for the draft. It was post after post saying "good, we're better without him."
Lol what?! Being 6'9 250 made him valuable?
It doesn't matter how big you are or who you're guarding when you give 0 help defense, challenge 0 shots, and overall play terrible on the defensive end. You might be the only person on this board who thought cook was good on the defensive end. He was horrible defensively.
Can you not realize that people don't think he necessarily made the team worse this year but also think iowa can be better on both ends next year without him? Can you wrap your mind around that or is it too complex?
I said he was valuable on the defensive end. He was good at times. His size is completely relevant to his value. If we had several other guys big enough to guard the post, his value would be diminished on the defensive end. We did not have other guys that could guard the post. Therefore, he was very valuable defensively due to his size.
I can understand that but it isn't the argument being made by many on here. Many have stated they thought we were better THIS YEAR without Cook.
To the latter point, Do I think we're better with the departure of Baer, Cook, and Dailey and the addition of the new guys and guys that will get playing time next year? No. I don't. I hope I'm wrong but we're losing a lot. I'm hopeful that our guard play can improve enough to overcome but a freshman point guard in the Big Ten is a crapshoot even if the kid is uber talented.
I'm hopeful that Pemsl can come back from the injury even better than he was. I think Cook's departure makes his role extremely important to the team.
I’m not following your argument regarding Cook being the most important/valuable defensive player. You cited his steals/blocks (which both trail Baer, so that would make Baer best?). If you adjust per 40 minutes, he trailed Baer, Kriener, Garza, and Wieskamp in blocks and Baer, Moss, McCaffery, Wieskamp, Kriener and Dailey in steals.
Then in this post, you stated Cook is most valuable because of his size and who he guards, which doesn’t make sense to me, since size would make Garza/Kriener Iowa’s best defenders, and the Hawks played their best defense in zone where Cook didn’t have a specific assignment.
TC is incredibly valuable (it’s difficult to rank him within the team since different players frequently stepped up at different times) and losing him is a significant loss. However, I expect the Hawks to replace his offensive production with a more experienced group and some potentially effective scorers gaining eligibility, and better defensively as the group gains a year of experience/cohesiveness.
The bolded shows why your argument is freaking ridiculous. Also, unos post above. You're contradicting yourself with both stats and player size. You make no sense and may be the only iowa fan blind enough to think cook was good defensively.
I think its pretty apparent you dont understand what the criteria for being a good defender is.
It's not height weight and lack of fouls committed.
Also, and I’m not positive on this since I didn’t check the stats, so correct me if I’m off, but didn’t Iowa play its best D on the perimeter and struggle most inside the paint? I’m pretty sure they ranked higher than more other teams in 3pt D than 2pt D, which would also call into question TC being MVD
Saying Kriener lacks athleticism is pretty dumb. I stopped reading there.
The COMBINATION of Cook's size and defensive prowess are what make him so valuable. With Baer, we had multiple other guys that could step in and guard the guys he guarded. With Cook, we had essentially one guy in Kriener and he was a major step down in my opinion. That...Is my point.
People keep saying I think Cook was a good defender. I am not saying that. I'm saying he was an average defender but lack of backups at his position made him Iowa's most valuable defender.
Add in his offensive output and he becomes undoubtedly the most valuable player on the team for me.
People keep saying I think Cook was a good defender. I am not saying that. I'm saying he was an average defender but lack of backups at his position made him Iowa's most valuable defender.
Add in his offensive output and he becomes undoubtedly the most valuable player on the team for me.
Part of that can be on the post men as well but yeah besides Connor and Wieskamp, the post entries on this team is not usually strong
Wish Tyler luck in BB career and let it go.
It can definitely be on the post men for not sealing.
But the bigger issue is teams played our guards super tight to take away pass and shot because they generally couldn't go around you.
Connor was the exception where teams dared him to shoot but that allowed him space to pass too.
Guys, there's no certain bright spot on the TC departure. This team, really almost any team, is better with TC than without him. There is very much an optimistic scenario but TC was a very good player, mistakes and all, and will not be easy to replace. Gotta recognize all he did well and not just measure the mistakes.
On the fence sitting scenario, I think we need to be worried until we see what Cordell, Jack and P McC can do. As someone, Bro D I think said, we absolutely need to see improvement from the other four returning starters as the very first predicate of maintaining or improving the record. I'm optimistic and think we will. Think Jordan has a monster senior year and Joey W takes the next step to be a very high volume scorer.
But none of that has happened yet. Still time to worry.
On the fence sitting scenario, I think we need to be worried until we see what Cordell, Jack and P McC can do. As someone, Bro D I think said, we absolutely need to see improvement from the other four returning starters as the very first predicate of maintaining or improving the record. I'm optimistic and think we will. Think Jordan has a monster senior year and Joey W takes the next step to be a very high volume scorer.
But none of that has happened yet. Still time to worry.
Interesting topics tonight.
I think Jordan is much more dangerous with the ball than without. Part of the problem was playing him in an unfamiliar position. It paid off big a couple of times but it takes the best shooter out of the flow of the offense for much of the time. He's just better with the ball probably because he's had the ball since he was in 7U AAU ball.
And whoever noted the poor sealing off their men said a mouthful. None of our big guys consistently sealed well. TC was the best at it but he was also by far the strongest...kid was bull. Some shady officiating exaggerated this problem as well.
I think Luka, who really is a very good low post offensive player will flower in TC's absence. Improved significantly from freshmen to sophomore, pretty smart and a hard worker. Bet he comes out better at getting low post position. Shoot more free throws (i'm thinking he adds three points to his average on free throws alone because he draws a lot of fouls).
I think Jordan is much more dangerous with the ball than without. Part of the problem was playing him in an unfamiliar position. It paid off big a couple of times but it takes the best shooter out of the flow of the offense for much of the time. He's just better with the ball probably because he's had the ball since he was in 7U AAU ball.
And whoever noted the poor sealing off their men said a mouthful. None of our big guys consistently sealed well. TC was the best at it but he was also by far the strongest...kid was bull. Some shady officiating exaggerated this problem as well.
I think Luka, who really is a very good low post offensive player will flower in TC's absence. Improved significantly from freshmen to sophomore, pretty smart and a hard worker. Bet he comes out better at getting low post position. Shoot more free throws (i'm thinking he adds three points to his average on free throws alone because he draws a lot of fouls).
Agree on the point of Bohannon having the ball. The fans clamoring for Bohannon to be the full-time 2 guard are wrong (my opinion only). The times this year when he played the off guard and ran off a zillion screens trying to get open, how many times did that actually work? Not often. With a 30-second clock and the emphasis on not setting moving screens, you can't run 8 cuts of motion offense like the good old days of Bob Knight's Hoosiers freeing up Alford in a 45-second shot clock. Bohannon is more valuable to Iowa with the ball in his hands, as the defender has to be up on him everywhere. It opens up the floor and spaces things much better.
All the returning players will need to get better for Iowa to be the same or better next season (duh). If they can figure out a way to get a little bit better defensively, they can be top half of the league.
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