Jayk would have over thought the dang scenarios like he was playing the game "Operation." No buckeye sticker woulda stopped the bleedin'.
Would We Have Won the ISU Game With Rudock As QB
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Love for Rudock? I supported the guy because he was the Iowa starter. Would have done the same thing if CJ was the guy. Why is that so fricken hard for people to grasp. I leave the bitching about players and coaches to others. They always have know more than the coaches and they always will.
I think I have a pretty good memory and I don't remember saying Iowa passed more downfield than most teams. Especially in 2012. I wouldn't have said that unless I saw with my own eyes every team and did the analysis. People bitched about 3 yard passes that year so I probably told them how many times we passed down field when they said we never do. People get butt hurt when you show actual facts that make them liars. I'm pretty careful about being accurate with what I post because I call so many people on it when they are not.
I'm all in on CJ. Jake struggled last year but if you didn't see CJ struggle last year than I am not sure where we go from here. Every game he got in outside of Pitt he struggled.He had a strong arm but he had lapses in his game. So did Jake but I go on with what the coaches decide. Because unlike most of you guys I don't think I know more than the coaches.
I'm surprised we haven't seen the posts that say "guarantee we win 2 or 3 more games last year with CJ as our QB." I called that back in August and so far it's been pretty tame.
But I support CJ and I will support him and the coach after our first loss if in fact we have a first loss. Will you?
Warning Warning Troll alert. IowaLaw was banned on HawkeyeNation website for these types of threads. He is an Iowa State troll
If It's and but's were candy and nuts, we would all be happy at Christmas! Move on! Enjoy the moment!
Well almost certainly. However, if CJ's play were to go significantly downhill and he was losing us games, and Wiegers was getting playing time and out playing CJ to the point it was clear he was the better QB, then I would have no problem calling for a change. That's the difference between you and I though. I won't blindly support the starter just because it's who Ferentz thinks the best player is. I love the Hawks too much to watch them waste away games and seasons by playing the wrong guy at the most important position on the football field.
Notice how all the people that said JR should start over CJ last year, don't want to hear how they were wrong, now.
I wanted CJ to start over JR last year. I'm just tired of these threads already.
Who cares? It is a message board, why should the posters who do wanna talk about CJ over JR stop just because some of you don't like the topic? Simply don't open any thread you deem not worthy of a discussion.
I think the more likely reason some of you hate threads like this is because it shows that perhaps KF made a mistake last year and some posters can't handle any negative KF talk.
I actually believe that we did have two solid QB's last year, with CJB with a much higher upside. Obviously JR is not too bad of a QB being he is starting for one of the historically best football programs in the nation after being there for a short period of time. Not to mention his stats were pretty darn good last year
I also remember CJB getting a chance to start against one of the worst defenses in the Big10 last year (Purdue) and looked mediocre at best, in fact he it was not even mediocre.....17-37 for for 245 (6.6 YPC) 1 TD and 1 INT
Maybe, just maybe, Kirk actually was correct in his assessment that CJB was just not quite ready last year.....he got his opportunity and was not able to capitalize on it last year....this experience obviously has been beneficial because he looks fantastic thus far......I know it is hard for many of you to admit, but Kirk probably knows more about the game of football than 99.999999% of us on here.
Am I glad CJB is our QB this year, ABSOLUTELY.......but sometimes it all comes together at different times for players....obviously the coaches saw that toward the latter part of last year
Edit: CJB in his start last year had QBR of 46, JR had QBR of 71 for the season.....for a comparison
I also remember CJB getting a chance to start against one of the worst defenses in the Big10 last year (Purdue) and looked mediocre at best, in fact he it was not even mediocre.....17-37 for for 245 (6.6 YPC) 1 TD and 1 INT
Maybe, just maybe, Kirk actually was correct in his assessment that CJB was just not quite ready last year.....he got his opportunity and was not able to capitalize on it last year....this experience obviously has been beneficial because he looks fantastic thus far......I know it is hard for many of you to admit, but Kirk probably knows more about the game of football than 99.999999% of us on here.
Am I glad CJB is our QB this year, ABSOLUTELY.......but sometimes it all comes together at different times for players....obviously the coaches saw that toward the latter part of last year
Edit: CJB in his start last year had QBR of 46, JR had QBR of 71 for the season.....for a comparison
Maybe some don't like the topic because it's been rehashed on here 5,000 times and Jake isn't even on the team any more.
I know, I know, just don't click on the link...
For those that want to ask questions like this post's initial post - do you go up to your parents, your co-workers, you wife and kids, and ask them the same question about the same subject every day?
9/14/2015 - "Honey, what would it be like if we had 3 kids instead of 2?"
9/7/2015 - "Honey, what would it be like if we had 3 kids instead of 2?"
8/27/2015 - "Honey, what would it be like if we had 3 kids instead of 2?"
8/24/2015 - "Honey, what would it be like if we had 3 kids instead of 2?"
8/15/2015 - "Honey, what would it be like if we had 3 kids instead of 2?"
8/13/2015 - "Honey, what would it be like if we had 3 kids instead of 2?"
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9/14/2015 - "Honey, what would it be like if we had 3 kids instead of 2?"
9/7/2015 - "Honey, what would it be like if we had 3 kids instead of 2?"
8/27/2015 - "Honey, what would it be like if we had 3 kids instead of 2?"
8/24/2015 - "Honey, what would it be like if we had 3 kids instead of 2?"
8/15/2015 - "Honey, what would it be like if we had 3 kids instead of 2?"
8/13/2015 - "Honey, what would it be like if we had 3 kids instead of 2?"
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Yes but the kf haters wants you to believe he was nfl ready when he arrived on campus.
No way cj got better. The work he put in this off season was pointless
They point to Pitt and forget about the other games he played in. He struggled in almost every other game he played in but threw a deep ball and fans dig the deep ball.
No way cj got better. The work he put in this off season was pointless
They point to Pitt and forget about the other games he played in. He struggled in almost every other game he played in but threw a deep ball and fans dig the deep ball.
Apples and oranges. If your wife had the choice to not listen to your question every single time then it's comparable. Don't open the thread. It's easy.
Our defense may have scored. Beathard made a great play just to avoid a safety. Had he not done that, maybe the first of his long runs doesn't happen.
Exactly. CJ has progressed throughout his career. When he arrived on campus, Jake was a more advanced QB and was better overall. However, it has always been clear that CJ has more natural talent (i.e., stronger arm, better mobility), but nobody knew how he would progress and at what point he would surpass Jake as the better QB.
I happen to think that CJ was the better QB last year, but it was close. Look at their individual production last year and it was very similar, and in fact Rudock's stats were slightly better. Ferentz chose to go with a known commodity in Rudock, and I believe that was a reasonable choice even if I disagree.
What I dislike about many that complain about Rudock is they act like anyone who didn't agree that CJ was clearly a better QB last year is an idiot. Yes, it is easy to see that CJ has a stronger arm and is more mobile, but there is more to playing quarterback than just those skills. Rudock had a pretty good year last year, as did CJ. Both were above average QB's and it was reasonable to pick either over the other.
This year, on the other hand, I think will clearly show that CJ has become the better QB. That doesn't mean, however, that starting Rudock last year was the wrong choice.
disagree, the 2014 Pittsburgh game completely contradicts this statement. This is nothing more than the last gasp of rationalization why Ruddock played over Beathard last year.
Through 2 games this year it is MORE THAN CLEAR that Jake R was never better than CJB and never will be. It cannot be more stark than this years numbers.
2015:
Jake R: 2 TD, 4 INT
CJ B: 4 TD, 0 INT
get it through your thick skulls. the debate is over.
Jake R played last year because KF wanted him to play and for no other reason.
Jake was/is slower.
Jake did/does have a weaker arm.
Jake was/is less agile.
Jake was/is less quick to make his read.
Jake was/is less able to make something out of nothing.
Jake literally had nothing over CJ last year other than the head coaches blessing, that's it. get it through your heads you knuckleheads. Stop trying to rationalize and defend our dummy head coach.
he is a dummy, but he is still our head coach.
just be happy he bent the knee to all the pressure and made the right decision in January.
Last year Rudock had a better completion percentage, more yards per attempt, a better TD/INT ratio, and a better QB rating - but for you that's all irrelevant and only a fool would think Rudock might have been the better QB last year?
I understand that Rudock had more reps with the 1st team, he had more consistent playing time, and he played against some bad teams that CJ did not get to play - and that's how I explain my opinion that CJ was the better QB last year, despite Rudock having better stats.
However, I don't think those stats are irrelevant. Rudock was a good QB last year. I think CJ would have been better, given the same opportunities, but I still find it reasonable for the coaching staff to reach a different conclusion.
Only in 1 game was there a clear and unbiased on field comparison to be had.
While Jake played, Iowa lost 7-17
While CJ played Iowa won 17-3
2014 Pitt:
C/ATT YDS TD INT QBR
C.J. Beathard 7/8 98 0 0 99.2
Jake Rudock 5/10 80 1 1 82.9
everything else is irrelevant. if you want to talk about CJ's numbers you have to bring up the fact that his receivers dropped 8 passes in the first half alone of the Purdue game, if you don't, either you are biased or weren't paying attention.
Jake was given every opportunity to be the guy last year, he simply wasn't as good, he never was better than CJ and never will be better than CJ. the debate is over.
He was not a good QB for the first 3.5 quarters against Ball State.
He was not a good QB in the 2nd half of the ISU game.
He was not a good QB in the 1st half of the Pitt game.
He was not a good QB against Maryland when it mattered.
He was not a good QB in the Minnesota game.
He was not a good QB in the 2nd half of the Nebraska game, leading to their comeback.
He was not a good QB against Tennessee going 2 for 8 passing.
If you want to defend the coaches, go right ahead, but sell that crap about him being a good QB elsewhere. I will seriously question your judgment in anything football related going forward.
Let's explore the rule you set above:
- "if you want to talk about CJ's numbers you have to bring up the fact that his receivers dropped 8 passes in the first half alone of the Purdue game, if you don't, either you are biased or weren't paying attention."
I'm wondering why you failed to mention that in the first half Jake Rudock threw a near perfect pass to Damond Powell that should have been a touchdown, but instead Powell dropped the ball and directed it towards a Pitt defender in the process leading to an interception. By your rule, by not bringing up this fact you are either (1) biased, or (2) weren't paying attention. Which is it? I'm guessing the former.
Well Jake did rank 4th in the Big 10 in passing efficiency last year. I would call that good.
By way of another comparison, I would say that Stanzi was a good QB. When you compare Stanzi's junior season to Jake's junior season, Jake had the higher passing efficiency. Also, it should be noted that Stanzi was throwing to McNutt, DJK, and Moeaki among others. Jake's receiving corp was not nearly as good.
And yes, I understand there is much more to the game than statistics. I believe Stanzi was easily a better QB than Jake, even if the stats do not support that on their own. I only use statistics because it is the best way to objectively compare players. I would posit that between you and I, only one of us is being objective.
Again, I will reiterate that I think CJ is better than Rudock. But I also happen to think Jake is a good QB in his own right. I am confused why so many Iowa fans would disagree with that statement. He was a productive QB while at Iowa.
Of course. But the question is still being asked. And that is what I'm railing at here. Why does this question need to be asked? and answered? and argued?
Me skipping the post doesn't advance this board any. Me railing on the post at least has a chance of doing so.
When will this board move on from Jake Rudock. When is that? Because the day that happens is the day this board instantly becomes better. And that is all I want.
Lone, I think I hit reply to the wrong post. I'm in the middle of my 4th straight 16+ hr days at work...brain spasms have been abundant unfortunately.
Been a long ass week, that much is certain.
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