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The guy that attacked Seth Rollins was catfished out of $500 by someone with a fake Seth Rollins account. Guy obviously isn’t all there. He’d been instigating all night with other wrestlers too. Crazy world.
 
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The guy that attacked Seth Rollins was catfished out of $500 by someone with a fake Seth Rollins account. Guy obviously isn’t all there. He’d been instigating all night with other wrestlers too. Crazy world.
I think there was two separate guys...the guy that tackled Rollins wasn't in the arena when the lumberjack match took place with the guy that was jaw jacking with MVP, Montez and Sammi.

Hadn't heard the first guy was cat-fished out of money. Darwin generally wins.
 
Seth is better at this heel thing than maybe we give him credit for. Scary situation that it took that long to get the guy restrained, lucky it wasn't worse. They need a modern day Jim Dotson.

Assuming it wasn't a work, but it didn't look like it. But he looked like a wrestler sized guy.
Dude is lucky in the old days. The performers wouldn't hold back. They would extract a pound of flesh from someone jumping the gate.
 
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Would this open the door for AEW guys as well, since they seem to be able to work for the other indys?
MLW and AEW seem to have a pretty good relationship in the past, as several guys worked both until their contracts ran out (MJF, Penta, Fenix, Pillman Jr., Dante Martin and his brother, Jake Hagar, Sammy Guevara, Marko Stunt)

Bobby Fish was just on MLW TV before going to AEW...

AEW guys can work indy shows as long as it doesn't interfere with AEW TV tapings...and since they tape Rampage the same night they run Dynamite, that leaves 6 days a week for them to work elsewhere...also they are now filming Dark/Dark Elevation in Atlanta, so you are seeing a lot of cross over with Championship Wrestling from Atlanta (UWN) for the lower and mid carders and some of the women...

Speaking of UWN, I saw 1 Called Manders on Championship Wresting from Hollywood last week- he won to get a future shot at the UWN belt- nice to see another Hawkeye making his way up the ranks...
 
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Dude is lucky in the old days. The performers wouldn't hold back. They would extract a pound of flesh from someone jumping the gate.
I saw Chavo Jr. tweeted that he missed the days when the fans didn't beat up the wrestlers. Then tried to walk it back a bit. Not sure he would of fared any better than Seth did, who reacted pretty well considering.
 
MLW and AEW seem to have a pretty good relationship in the past, as several guys worked both until their contracts ran out (MJF, Penta, Fenix, Pillman Jr., Dante Martin and his brother, Jake Hagar, Sammy Guevara, Marko Stunt)

Bobby Fish was just on MLW TV before going to AEW...

AEW guys can work indy shows as long as it doesn't interfere with AEW TV tapings...and since they tape Rampage the same night they run Dynamite, that leaves 6 days a week for them to work elsewhere...also they are now filming Dark/Dark Elevation in Atlanta, so you are seeing a lot of cross over with Championship Wrestling from Atlanta (UWN) for the lower and mid carders and some of the women...

Speaking of UWN, I saw 1 Called Manders on Championship Wresting from Hollywood last week- he won to get a future shot at the UWN belt- nice to see another Hawkeye making his way up the ranks...
Is Manders the one who wrestled with Angerer in a local show a few years ago?

Unrelated question, around 10 years ago my buddy told me met Rikishi and his twin sons who were in town wrestling at an Iowa tailgate. Think he said Rikishi was promoting the show? He ended up running into them a couple of games in a row. Where would they of been wrestling at in Iowa City/Cedar Rapids? It would of had to been right at the beginning of their career.
 
I saw Chavo Jr. tweeted that he missed the days when the fans didn't beat up the wrestlers. Then tried to walk it back a bit. Not sure he would of fared any better than Seth did, who reacted pretty well considering.
I get his reaction. Don't want to get sued either. Plus element of surprise. It was a different world in the 70's/80's.
 
I get his reaction. Don't want to get sued either. Plus element of surprise. It was a different world in the 70's/80's.
I can't imagine walking up the ramp after a match with a camera man 4 feet in front of you and you are in character, and out of nowhere someone tackles you legit.

But yeah the old-timers didn't have the security they have now, and I think they were always on their toes in regards to fans, plus I think more of them were legit tough guys vs. today's guys are more athletes/performers.
 
Is Manders the one who wrestled with Angerer in a local show a few years ago?

Unrelated question, around 10 years ago my buddy told me met Rikishi and his twin sons who were in town wrestling at an Iowa tailgate. Think he said Rikishi was promoting the show? He ended up running into them a couple of games in a row. Where would they of been wrestling at in Iowa City/Cedar Rapids? It would of had to been right at the beginning of their career.

Yes, Manders trained at Seth Rollin's wrestling school...

Rikishi would have been at the Wildwood Saloon in Iowa City for his Territory League about that time...

 
Finally caught up on my Holiday DVR. Punk vs MJF duel was everything it should be. Youre not innovative. Just a less famous Miz. Really good tennis match on the mics between the two
 
I can't imagine walking up the ramp after a match with a camera man 4 feet in front of you and you are in character, and out of nowhere someone tackles you legit.

But yeah the old-timers didn't have the security they have now, and I think they were always on their toes in regards to fans, plus I think more of them were legit tough guys vs. today's guys are more athletes/performers.

I remember reading about an incident back in the early 70s at the old, original Boston Garden. A fan came down to ringside, hopped in the ring & stabbed Blackjack Mulligan, then hopped out of the ring, ran down the aisle & out a side door onto the streets of Beantown. Security just watched him go, thinking it was part of the show.
 
I remember reading about an incident back in the early 70s at the old, original Boston Garden. A fan came down to ringside, hopped in the ring & stabbed Blackjack Mulligan, then hopped out of the ring, ran down the aisle & out a side door onto the streets of Beantown. Security just watched him go, thinking it was part of the show.
Piper in his documentary said the main reason he started wearing a leather jacket. Was to protect against stabbings. Evidently been knifed more than once or twice.
 
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Going to the Dynamite/Rampage show in Atlanta tomorrow night. Not a super loaded lineup, but should be good enough. Nothing will live up to the first time they did Atlanta, which was arguably the most loaded "regular" Dynamite ever. Last time they played the main NBA arena downtown, this time they're playing a suburban minor league hockey arena. Little bit easier for me, so that's cool.

Wondering what kind of reception Cody will get here and how that will play. Fans are turning on him, but this is kind of his town.

I'm a little surprised they haven't done more to build Atlanta as a central AEW city, given Rhodes being here and the TBS legacy they trade on. They seem much more committed to Chicago.
 
The Budge vs American Dragon. Really hope this is a coming out party for Silver. There is some untapped upside to his character.
Khan has two problems right now Cody and Cole. Opposite sides of the spectrum. One is way over than he is being portrayed and well the other isn't.
 
Cole, and to a lesser extension the Young Bucks are tweeners and be heels that people cheer as well. It's crazy how over Cole is, and that might have been a little bit unexpected, but in general they had to expect it as long as they are sticking to their catch phrases and signatures. It's like when DX were heels.

I mean, even when the inner circle were heels, they were cutting comedy promos, and the whole arena was singing Jericho's entry music. I'm old school, and I don't love tweener heels, if you're going to heel, be a heel. But I feel that's just the way a lot of guys are now. Appreciate MJF going the full way, and Danielson heeling the right way now too.

The Cody thing is quite a tricky deal right now though. While he got some boos at Dynamite, in his home town of Atlanta he was going to have to be a babyface. But long term I don't know what the plan is. He had a good match with Andrade featuring a crazy fire bump, so I don't know if that was one last attempt to get fans on his side.

I think in general people like Cody. He cuts a great promo, and he gets a rub from a lot of the warm feelings people have for AEW. The problem isn't him, it's the shitty angles he's been in ever since Brodie Lee died.

A stupid feud with Red Velvet and Shaq.

A feud absolutely nobody cared about with QT Marshall leading to a freaking PPV with Anthony Agogo(?!?!)

Those are not main eventer angles, those are stupid things nobody cares about, and them taking up TV time makes Cody look like he's abusing his status.

Then a disjointed fued with Malachi Black, who people obviously dig, that he should have let end with his loss once it was clear how popular Black was.

So people are seeing these stupid angles, and at the same time see him trying to branch out into his reality shows. He should have just gone mostly off TV like he was implying he was after the initial Black encounter, and waited to come back on when they had something for him.

That's what they should do now. Take him off tv for a couple months, wait until you've built up some monster heel, and then let him come back as a surprise to try to save things. When they turn the Superclique face, which they'll have to, let him reuinite the Elite with them and Hangman or whatever.
 
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Understand the need for clear lanes for characters. But I'm of the school of thought are u entertaining. Right now Cody isn't with the over the top presentation of his character. He doesn't need to go full heel, but at least tone down the theatrics.
Cole needs to be working towards chasing titles. So when Kenny comes back who is the Alpha becomes the story.
 
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Captain of the All State Capela Team. That's certainly something that jumps off a resume.
 
Going to the Dynamite/Rampage show in Atlanta tomorrow night. Not a super loaded lineup, but should be good enough. Nothing will live up to the first time they did Atlanta, which was arguably the most loaded "regular" Dynamite ever. Last time they played the main NBA arena downtown, this time they're playing a suburban minor league hockey arena. Little bit easier for me, so that's cool.

Wondering what kind of reception Cody will get here and how that will play. Fans are turning on him, but this is kind of his town.

I'm a little surprised they haven't done more to build Atlanta as a central AEW city, given Rhodes being here and the TBS legacy they trade on. They seem much more committed to Chicago.
How was the show?
 
How was the show?

It was good.

It was quite a bit different from their first Atlanta show, which was in the Hawks arena. This was in a minor league hockey arena in the suburbs. I was a little suprised that it wasn't sold out. Capacity is 13k, I'd guess maybe 7k? I've been a little surprised/critical of AEW for not working Atlanta as a main market, considering the Turner legacy they lean into so much, but maybe there's a reason.

The first show I went to before the pandemic was absolutely lit, but that was fairly early on, and they stacked the card to almost a PPV level. That arena was absolutely lit the whole time.

This was much more of a treading water episode, and the crowd intensity reflected it. Not sure how it came across on TV, but I didn't think the energy was super sustained the way it looks at a lot of these shows. A lot of quiet time, even during big matches...crowd was NOT involved at all during Punk's match for example. The whole night seemed like pops for appearances, and then sit through the matches.

I can't blame them too much...there were only like two matches on the entire night (Soho vs Statlander, Cody vs Andrade) where the winner winner wasn't 100% obvious going in. It's a lot to ask the crowd to get super engaged even for good wrestling when there is zero chance of being swept up in the story of the match because one guy has zero chance to win.

Positives-

1) Pretty awesome that we got four hours plus of wrestling. They started a 7 with Dark Elevation tapings, then Dynamite, and then Rampage.

2) We got an appearance at least from everyone on the roster...so you got to pop for Hangman, do Adam Cole Bay Bay, etc. I wasn't sure how many of the stars we wouldn't see wrestle (which was a lot) would show up, and it was most of them. And we got to see Jungle Express on the Dark tapings, which was unexpected and fun.

3) There was some really good quality wrestling on the card. If you enjoy the wrestling itself, and not just the hype, Danielson vs Angels was really quite good. The Cody vs Andrade match was really good. Overall, there weren't many duds from a pure wrestling standpoint (Obviously the Dark matches were squashes).

4) Very cool flaming table spot, that actually probably looked better from the seats than on TV

Negatives-

1) Almost all the matches were glorified squashes with no mystery about who would win. That's just what it was with this stage in the booking, the bad luck of the draw.

2) Phoenix being out robbed some excitement around the Rampage 2 out of 3 falls match...was expecting that to be a classic. The replacement match was EXCELLENT from a wrestling perspective, but was taking place 4 hours into the night, and the crowd was pretty dead, it deserved way more heat than it got.

3) Missed seeing the few stars that didn't even appear. Can't complain because most made an appearance, but was sorry not to see Britt Baker or Chris Jericho (and sing Judas).

4) The CM Punk thing of wrestling mid carders and jobbers has run it's course. He had a hell of a match with Daniel Garcia weeks ago, but as they continue that track it's losing all its juice. Crowd was totally dead during his match, and shouldn't be given he's one of the biggest stars. He's a great wrestler, but he's not exactly a series of high spots and signature moves that are super over no matter who he faces.

Overall, it was an awesome time because I enjoy wrestling, and it's super fun to share with my son. But if you were taking some non-wrestling friend who wasn't super into it, it wouldn't have been a show that would win them over.

One other funny observation. Whenever wrestling goes through it's peaks of mainstream popularity, you get a lot of the "wrestling fans aren't the nerds and losers that you think" thing going on. And WWE fans have a lot of time really tried to highlight their college age and 20s fans, fans that look the same as those that go football games and pop concerts.

Well this crowd was EXACTLY what you'd picture professional wrestling nerds to be. So much obesity, neck beards, tattoos, greasy hair, ugly girlfriends. And I loved it. A lot more fun than a bunch of regular folks slumming, the crowd was hardcore fans and fulfilled every stereotype you would have about pro wrestling fans.
 
Windham Rotunda at Winter is Coming? Does AEW really need more acts? Certainly would be nice to see Rotunda allowed to work a less restrictive style.
 


FTR vs The Briscoes?

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So who eventually buys the WWE. Russo, I know BS Russo. Thinks Dwayne Johnson and the other Tony Khan acquire it. Makes some sense because if the Family was to take over. They would have done it by now. Can't see Disney, etc., acquiring it.
 
MJF would never fit in at the WWE. What Grimes is doing would be his ceiling.
 
Fitting end for Big E to lose the belt the same day the Hawks lose in the bowl game. Glad he got a run, little frustrating they seemed to scrap the Reigns/Lesner build on an audible like this, but as much as I love Big E, something was missing in his reign. Curious if they go Lesner/Lashley and Roman/Drew as the two big programs now? Royal Rumble will be interesting.
 
Lashley will get his win over Brock. Assumed once they made it a 4 way Big E was dropping the belt. Doesn't feel like Kofimania though since Big E is still in his prime.
One thing is true when Brock shows up he's going to be given a belt. Vince pays him too much money not to have him was the feature in some way.
 
Lashley will get his win over Brock. Assumed once they made it a 4 way Big E was dropping the belt. Doesn't feel like Kofimania though since Big E is still in his prime.
One thing is true when Brock shows up he's going to be given a belt. Vince pays him too much money not to have him was the feature in some way.
I get giving Brock the belt, save for the Rock or Cena he is the biggest star/draw in the industry and Big E never seemed to connect with the audience like Rock, Cena, Bryan even Kofi. Maybe they make Brock/Roman belt vs. belt? The build in that program with Heymen has been the best thing in the sport in quite awhile, hope they don't just put it on the back burner because Roman tested positive.
 
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