Zelenskyy/Trump press conference...

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

I haven’t followed all the negotiations closely, but from what I’ve seen it appears Trump has undercut Ukraine in every proposal thus far. I suspect Zelenskyy knows the writing is on the wall and is just hoping for a show of strength to give the best possible position going into the negotiations.

 

[srams21]

Did you really just start that with "is a jew"?

What the actual ****.


Zalinskyy himself was an actor prior to politics regardless of his parents accomplishments. And I'll make this incredibly simple for you, Zalinskyy isn't smart enough to realize he is a mughole without us.

Lol, Zelensky is way smarter than Trump or JD.

 

[youflog1hawk]

Why would you think you'd be in a position to demand a link from me? Are you talking about the shameful reality that Trump still claims the 2020 election was stolen - that a majority of Republicans believe him (want a link?!) - and that in actual reality it was Trump and Co who tried to steal the election (want some more links?!).

And after all that reality, you're still a Trumper..... whom - this is the best part - tries to claim the fact based road. Which again, is what makes you such a promising prospect of a poster.

I'd also love to hear your fact based approach to Qanon, now I'm sure that's a painful subject for you. Blood sucking Democrats trafficking children? How awful!

Sounds just like today’s event with Trump and Zelenskyy😂

 

[Moral]

Nah, I won’t. Your default to that comment tells me all I need to know.

Yeah that's fine. It's true, and honestly I believe my repeated assertions are going to stick to you on the board.

It's nice.tp see you say the same thing to me that @Gus is dead and @GolfHacker1 do, but I consider you in the same vein of poster.

Good luck with your future posting endeavors.

 

[LunchBox50]

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Lol, Zelensky is way smarter than Trump or JD.

He is going home empty handed.

 

[Joes Place]

 

[torbee]

You should ignore that guy. He’s more unjustifiably arrogant than Northern. Never seen anyone talk so much about their net worth and try to pump themselves up. He’s full of it.

Did Northern get a timeout from the mods? Or maybe a domestic violence arrest?

Odd he wouldn't be joining in with the moron brigade on this issue.

 

[GolfHacker1]

Intelligence isn't hard. Zelensky is a jew with a law degree. His father was a professor and his mother was an engineer. Trump, we've seen, hasn't much of an intellect. Any standard measure of intelligence I almost guarantee Trump would be smashed by Zelensky.

You're going to lose that point, bigly.

Trump is bereft of the sort of morality we expect in a leader. Zelensky has displayed quite a bit of it.

And imagine how Trump might behave in a country like Ukraine, with little in the way of democratic tradition, norms or constitutional guardrails. Trump would be a Putin like character if he could get away with it.

Zelensky is by all indications the superior human being.

Wow.

 

[gohawks50]

He is going home empty handed.

Better than going home after giving away your country's rare earth minerals and getting nothing in return.

 

[LunchBox50]

Did Northern get a timeout from the mods? Or maybe a domestic violence arrest?

Odd he wouldn't be joining in with the moron brigade on this issue.

She shouldn't have rolled her eyes if she didn't want to get hit.

 

[torbee]

She shouldn't have rolled her eyes if she didn't want to get hit.

 

[youflog1hawk]

Putin is losing now unless the Republicans abandon support for Ukraine.

Regardless, I look forward to your posts condemning Putin.

Losing you say losing. Not going to come close to losing even with our help. What world are you living in.

 

[RNHawk]

So Trump was Trump again today (embarrassing) could have handled that better. The question we have to ask ourselves are we willing to give Russia the territory they have gained in Ukraine for a peace agreement and Ukraine joining NATO, or do we continue to fund Ukraine and ultimately more bloodshed and the real possibility of it escalating into something that we are sending are troops to? On one hand I don’t think Putin should gain anything because he was the aggressor, on the other hand I don’t see an end to the war

 

[BrunoMars420]

Yeah that's fine. It's true, and honestly I believe my repeated assertions are going to stick to you on the board.

It's nice.tp see you say the same thing to me that @Gus is dead and @GolfHacker1 do, but I consider you in the same vein of poster.

Good luck with your future posting endeavors.

Good for you Moral. And I consider you in the same vein of poster as a Huey or Chris but less crazy and sometimes funny. You stick with that echo chamber of yours.

#blessup

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

Better than going home after giving away your country's rare earth minerals and getting nothing in return.

You dont seem to understand what "nothing in return" means. Not only have they taken a loan they owe us for, they would get the protection of Americans there Russia wouldn't want to **** with and they would have an entire industry built foe them and a new revenue source.


But sure"nothing".


I'm starting to see how the Biden approach of blank checks was so accepted by you idiots.

 

[noleclone2]

A big take away from the unhinged nature of how Trump and Vance are behaving today and the nonsense of last week that is emerging when looked at in conjunction with recent counter offense success by Ukraine in Russia:

Russia is on the ropes and desperate. Ukraine and Europe know this and US can’t save Russia despite Trump being an asset.

 

[torbee]

So Trump was Trump again today (embarrassing) could have handled that better. The question we have to ask ourselves are we willing to give Russia the territory they have gained in Ukraine for a peace agreement and Ukraine joining NATO, or do we continue to fund Ukraine and ultimately more bloodshed and the real possibility of it escalating into something that we are sending are troops to? On one hand I don’t think Putin should gain anything because he was the aggressor, on the other hand I don’t see an end to the war

If NATO membership was on the table I would think Zelensky would trade territory.

I believe Trump has said that is a non-starter, because his boss (Putin) opposes it, however.

 

[efg2008]

He is going home empty handed.

No, he's going home with the free world now knowing without any ambiguity where it stands with the U.S. As disappointed and disheartened as those good nations may be about it, they can proceed accordingly. Hopefully, they'll have more spine and principle than what we saw from our leaders today. Democracy is in deep doo-doo here, and Whiskey Delta Whatever will face that reality sooner or later.

 

[gohawks50]

So Trump was Trump again today (embarrassing) could have handled that better. The question we have to ask ourselves are we willing to give Russia the territory they have gained in Ukraine for a peace agreement and Ukraine joining NATO, or do we continue to fund Ukraine and ultimately more bloodshed and the real possibility of it escalating into something that we are sending are troops to? On one hand I don’t think Putin should gain anything because he was the aggressor, on the other hand I don’t see an end to the war

I haven't heard any proposals where they agree to allow Ukraine into NATO. Do you have a link for one?

 

[Joes Place]

So Trump was Trump again today (embarrassing) could have handled that better. The question we have to ask ourselves are we willing to give Russia the territory they have gained in Ukraine

It's not "our" territory, Cletus.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

He is going home empty handed.

You’re mistaking leverage for intelligence.

 

[prlyles]

No deflection, Ukraine has a chance to not be further destroyed and he is blowing it.

If Russia was strong enough to destroy Ukraine they would have by now. That's why Russia needs Trump.

 

[Colonoscopy]

I'm starting to see how the Biden approach of blank checks was so accepted by you idiots.

The president lies, repeatedly. Which bothers me.

180B appropriated by congress, 80B spent

Ukraine funding tracker

Funding

How much has the US given to Ukraine?

President Trump has repeatedly claimed that the US has given over $300bn to Ukraine, but he is incorrect.

www.bbc.com

 

[Whiskeydeltadeltatango]

A big take away from the unhinged nature of how Trump and Vance are behaving today and the nonsense of last week that is emerging when looked at in conjunction with recent counter offense success by Ukraine in Russia:

Russia is on the ropes and desperate. Ukraine and Europe know this and US can’t save Russia despite Trump being an asset.

Holy ****ing delusional........

 

[GOHOX69]

As powerful as the US is, it has to interact with other countries. That list of countries is dwindling daily. That has dire consequences on our economy and otherwise.

 

[Hawky42]

Trump is too concerned about achieving his goals before his four years run out, that he is throwing some peoples problems under the bus

 

[Hawky4361]

And...the small, positive turnaround in the stockmarket IMMEDIATELY turns south realizing the Musk/Trump/Vance stooge show takes center stage.

Nothing improves until Trump is gone.

I see you're no better a market prognosticator than you are a foreign policy

And...the small, positive turnaround in the stockmarket IMMEDIATELY turns south realizing the Musk/Trump/Vance stooge show takes center stage.

Nothing improves until Trump is gone.

Nice market call...

 

[ThorneStockton]

You should ignore that guy. He’s more unjustifiably arrogant than Northern. Never seen anyone talk so much about their net worth and try to pump themselves up. He’s full of it.

I think there's promise. Have you ever seen a Trumper so self-deluded in this particular manner? Usually it's fantasy, conspiracy this and that. Tough guy, Alpha-Patriot, masculine this and that.

This guy's shtick is that he's fact based, and works within an objective reality. I have never seen a Trumper play this card. I guess I haven't noticed the net worth stuff much, but I suppose when you're a fact based Trumper, you need a number to justify your self worth and dollars are probably the best numbers to measure.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

If it does come to WW3 what side will Trump have us fighting for?

 

[bhawk24bob]

Every day is something new, man. Every effing day

 

[youflog1hawk]

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I call bull on that one. Half truth😵‍💫they were not supposed to be their and we’re led out of the room. Same old half truths

 

[srams21]

He is going home empty handed.

He was, anyway. Trump and MAGA are on the Russian side for some reason.

 

[jonesy5960]

Well that was a shit show.

Conspiracy theory Bruno heard some interesting things from Trump tho. Let me know what you think.

So the big negotiations today was about the rare earth resources from Ukraine. It is located in Eastern Ukraine where Russia is already occupying. During the shit show Trump mentioned how the US barely has any of these minerals and would need them to make products and such. With how this is going and how he says the US has all the cards, do you think Trump and Russia have a deal in place already for these rare earth minerals? The many convos before this meeting with Zelensky basically laid out how Trump will be approaching this on how he thinks this is the best course for these resources. Trump is doing this to save face to NATO but will take the deal of least resistance for these minerals which is with Russian occupied locations?

Thoughts?

Well there is little doubt that he has already cut a deal with Putin. That was why he met with them excluding Ukraine. It also shouldn't surprise anyone if it involved some guarantees of personal remuneration to Trump.

He couldn't care less about Ukraine, and he hates Zelensky for what he believes was his role in the first impeachment. He's fine with Russia taking all of Ukraine at some point. Anyone who believes that Trump and Putin aren't simpatico on this issue is naive.

 

[Colonoscopy]

Anybody want to provide evidence for the 350B statement Trump has repeatedly made about our funding Ukraine?

 

[thewop]

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Honestly I hope this gets him back into discussions before he leaves town. A deal needs to be reached or many more people die.

We still don't know what the deal was, what he didn't like, what we didn't like, or even how much it was even discussed.

 

[Hans81]

Jesus H Christ our president is a **** face.

Who’s the dolt earlier in this thread that said the stock market tanked right after these peace talks fell apart this morning? DOW closed up 600 points! 🥴

 

[Joes Place]

 

[Hawki97]

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one in America anymore that remembers the cold war.

 

[bdcolt45er]

As powerful as the US is, it has to interact with other countries. That list of countries is dwindling daily. That has dire consequences on our economy and otherwise.

The global conditions have led us to have one of the best economies, quality of life in world history and the plan of some folks is that we should disrupt that world order.